TX - Police respond to reports of shooter at Santa Fe High School, 18 May 2018

[Jennifer17]

You bring up a very good point and I can share the following:

I doubt this guy, will call him B. for now, would have shot up our high school, but he was expelled for illegal drug possession. Had to finish his education via boot camp. He was a fellow student in my class (same graduation year), and there were about 300 in my class, so despite the size, we all knew each other by name and face. Naturally it was not talked about a whole lot among us students because we knew better.

So expulsion could very well be a factor.

One of my grandchildren went to a selective high school, where they had to have had an excellent scholastic record and pass an entrance test. If there were any trouble makers they invited to go elsewhere and if kids did not live up to an academic standard, they also were sent to an ordinary school. The selective school was a public school too.

 

[MaryG12]

He is 17. It is impossible to get him on death row because he is under age.

Unfortunately.

The very worst he probably will get, is a slap on the wrist, life in prison (country club) at taxpayer expense.

 

[jjenny]

Unfortunately.

The very worst he probably will get, is a slap on the wrist, life in prison (country club) at taxpayer expense.

Sure is. Because in TX they would have actually carried it out.

 

[human]

I would like to see Oliver North's data to back up his claim that mass shooters are all on drugs. Who does this serve?

He is perpetuating the loop that this country cannot break free from.

We are failing on every level.

Until the adults stop with attached agendas for any kind of gain, and start being the kind of adults, parents, citizens, that can take some kind of personal responsibility, we will continue to lose kids, teachers, and the LE on all fronts.

Ollie may be surprised to find out kids in Europe are on drugs as well.

 

[Jennifer17]

Unfortunately.

The very worst he probably will get, is a slap on the wrist, life in prison (country club) at taxpayer expense.

I very much doubt that jails are like country clubs.

 

[human]

According to Lt. Gov. video games are to blame.
https://www.chron.com/news/houston-...mes-advocates-for-12929218.php?ipid=happening

I wonderif he knows kids all over the world have access to video games

 

[blondekj]

I attended a parochial school for junior high, then high school.

There is even less money involved in parochial schools yet very few have ever had school shootings.

Why is that?

Involved parents??

 

[blondekj]

My thoughts... I work in a school and have discussed school shooting with my teacher friends. I have said that parents who leave guns accessible to their minor children should be liable for any crimes committed with those guns....I think the parents should have some legal culpability... The response of the teachers I know has been horror. They own guns and don't lock them up because their kids would never....

We do need to make gun owners liable for the damage inflicted by their unsecured firearms.

 

[MaryG12]

My thoughts... I work in a school and have discussed school shooting with my teacher friends. I have said that parents who leave guns accessible to their minor children should be liable for any crimes committed with those guns....I think the parents should have some legal culpability... The response of the teachers I know has been horror. They own guns and don't lock them up because their kids would never....

We do need to make gun owners liable for the damage inflicted by their unsecured firearms.

I agree.

And this would also prevent young children from accidentally shooting a sibling or other family member, too.

Sadly, there are a number of not-so-smart parents out there...

 

[RANCH]

In Pagourtzis's case, he also needs to be charged with possession of a sawed-off shotgun (illegal by federal law) and home-made explosives.


Also - since this happened in Texas I doubt it will be difficult for the prosecuter to get him on death row.


Pagourtzis may have wanted to "tell his story" but instinct tells me his final chapter will be lethal injection.


Just another cancer curer.

Do you have a link that the Remington 870 pump shotgun was an illegal sawed off weapon?

https://nypost.com/2018/05/19/texas-school-gunman-taunted-victims-another-one-bites-the-dust/

 

[jjenny]

Unfortunately.

The very worst he probably will get, is a slap on the wrist, life in prison (country club) at taxpayer expense.

Sounds like he can't even get a life without parole because he is 17, Maximum he can get is life with possibility of parole after 40 years.

https://www.ksat.com/news/admitted-santa-fe-hs-shooter-wont-face-death-penalty

 

[jjenny]

Do you have a link that the Remington 870 pump shotgun was an illegal sawed off weapon?

https://nypost.com/2018/05/19/texas-school-gunman-taunted-victims-another-one-bites-the-dust/

I am not a poster in question but here is what witness said. I have no idea if that is legal or not.

"It was Mr. Pagourtzis, a youth he recognized as a football teammate who used the locker next to his. “He had one sawed-off shotgun and he had a pistol,” Ms. Muehe said. “He was wearing a trench coat with combat boots. He had a ‘Born to Kill’ shirt on.”"
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/18/us/school-shooting-santa-fe-texas.html

 

[RANCH]

Sawed-off shotgun

Under the National Firearms Act (NFA), it is illegal for a private citizen to possess a sawed-off modern smokeless powder shotgun (a shotgun with a barrel length shorter than 18 inches (46 cm) or an overall length shorter than 26 inches (66 cm)) (under U.S.C. Title II), without a tax-paid registration from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, requiring a background check and either a $200 or $5 tax for every transfer, depending upon the specific manufacturing circumstances of the particular sawed-off modern shotgun being transferred.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sawed-off_shotgun#United_States

 

[RANCH]

I am not a poster in question but here is what witness said. I have no idea if that is legal or not.

"It was Mr. Pagourtzis, a youth he recognized as a football teammate who used the locker next to his. “He had one sawed-off shotgun and he had a pistol,” Ms. Muehe said. “He was wearing a trench coat with combat boots. He had a ‘Born to Kill’ shirt on.”"
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/18/us/school-shooting-santa-fe-texas.html

I wonder if Ms Muehe knows that a short barreled shotgun with a 18 1/2 inch barrel is not considered to be a sawed off shotgun by the Feds.

 

[jjenny]

Potentially there could be federal charges.
"Federal law enforcement could submit separate federal charges if the evidence indicates that the materials that went into making the devices were purchased using a credit or debit card or online and the transactions crossed state lines."
https://www.chron.com/news/houston-...g-were-functional-12929376.php?ipid=happening

 

[jjenny]

I wonder if Ms Muehe knows that a short barreled shotgun with a 18 1/2 inch barrel is not considered to be a sawed off shotgun by the Feds.

Like I said, I have no clue on legality of the shotgun.

 

[RANCH]

Like I said, I have no clue on legality of the shotgun.

It's a law that I know because I own a 12ga shotgun with an 18 1/2 inch barrel. Shorter that 18" is a "sawed off" shotgun. That includes shotguns that are under 26" overall.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

You could require that all gun owners to keep their guns secured and locked up at all times, and hold them personally responsible for any crimes committed with the guns they own.

Requiring all gun owners to secure them is part of being a responsible gun owner and should be a law, However, I don't agree with holding a gun owner personally responsible for a crime committed if the gun was secured and was stolen. Just like it would be wrong to hold a car owner responsible for an accident that happened with a locked and stolen vehicle.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

I sent my daughter to parochial school and I had to pay tuition to the school, on top of regular tax dollars funding public schools.

Perhaps the main difference is the number of private and parochial schools and students vs. number of public schools and students. Maybe it's only a matter of time until private and parochial schools are represented equally on the school shooting charts.

There are other differences, of course, perhaps not as many people sending their kids to expensive, elite private schools keep guns everywhere children can get to them.

I'm not sure what the statistics are, but everyone I know that send their kids to private schools own guns. They have them secure. I don't think it's fair to say people with money don't have guns everywhere children can get to and implying that middle class or lower income do. If I recall most school shooters have come from upper to middle class families.

 

[Jennifer17]

It's a law that I know because I own a 12ga shotgun with an 18 1/2 inch barrel. Shorter that 18" is a "sawed off" shotgun. That includes shotguns that are under 26" overall.

Do you know that the the gun he had was 18 1/2 inches?