TX - Police respond to reports of shooter at Santa Fe High School, 18 May 2018

[Jennifer17]

JMO
Something that our administrators and government officials are totally ignoring and forgetting about is how these young kids minds are at that age.

I think its an important thing that needs to be put at the forefront of the discussions into why a kid like the one today did the shooting.

The mind and emotional turmoil of a high schooler and junior high schooler is much different than an adults mind. They have intense peer pressure and intense depression at times for lots of kids at that age. As kids grow up and mature then a lot of the stresses that bothered them at their young age ends up dissipating and going away. But at their age it is all there and it really affects some of these kids much more than others. Especially the ones that have parents breaking up or divorced or the ones with little money and they see other kids with all the rich toys that they cant have.

Us adults that are going to try to stop these shootings need to be sure they take into account how these kids think at their age. I think too many times the adult administrators dont appreciate the real and intense physchological things going on in these kids heads that could lead to something like this.

With respect, kids in the US are not any different from kids the world over.

 

[flourish]

Wait, so you are a domestic violence victim who threatens your child with a beating worthy of a jail visit, and this is a positive thing? That is so disturbing and awfully sad to keep the violent cycle going.
I want my child to behave for the positive natural consequences of doing so, not because they don't want me to beat them.
Teaching children violence is an appropriate reaction is a reason so many of these threads exist.

I have never hit my child ever. But my daughter seemed to get the idea ha ha you can't punish me if I touch you'll go to jail. Basically told her if I do go to jail I'll make sure it's a good reason. My point is it gives kids control over their parents and teens love to have control.
Heck there was a time you could get spankings in school when misbehaved and there was not school shootings then because kids were scared of consequences. Not that hitting is correct but sure as heck didn't have these problems when we could spank our kids.
I was beat for 18 years by me ex husband so I don't believe in hitting but I do believe in common sense and there was a time when we didn't have this problem.
So what has changed.

 

[CARIIS]

Yes. His mother worked at that school so, it was personal.

not sure but i think that turned out not to be accurate but may not be recalling

 

[Hatfield]

With respect, kids in the US are not any different from kids the world over.

Gun control point taken

 

[bluesneakers]

I have never hit my child ever. But my daughter seemed to get the idea ha ha you can't punish me if I touch you'll go to jail. Basically told her if I do go to jail I'll make sure it's a good reason. My point is it gives kids control over their parents and teens love to have control.
Heck there was a time you could get spankings in school when misbehaved and there was not school shootings then because kids were scared of consequences. Not that hitting is correct but sure as heck didn't have these problems when we could spank our kids.
I was beat for 18 years by me ex husband so I don't believe in hitting but I do believe in common sense and there was a time when we didn't have this problem.
So what has changed.

These shootings often end in the shooter's death so I don't think fearing the consequences has anything to do with it, and I would guess what's keeping most kids from shooting up their peers isn't the fear of getting spanked if they do.

Also, JMO this is abusive language. I hope she knew you were kidding.
Basically told her if I do go to jail I'll make sure it's a good reason.

 

[x_files]

It may have been a fairly new T shirt. It showed in his FB on Apr. 30- he said "custom t shirt".

I agree w/ Gitana, we need to start holding parents morally and financially and criminally responsible for what their

kids are doing to cause harm on the public. sort of how you have to insure your car, maybe you need to buy insurance

when you buy a gun. If parents were held criminally responsible for what their kids did, maybe they'd pay more attention to their SM and what the kid was building in the garage. Parents who are so busy working but not
paying attention to their kids are responsible for them. I'd get fined if my dog hurt someone so why not my kid?.

I recall at one time parents were legally responsible until 18 years old. Did that law recently change? I do feel bad for parents who cannot control unruly teens. So what do we do if the parents cannot control their kids?

 

[x_files]

oh it sounds like he was actually living in a seperate building

thrown out ??

might it indicate a wildly conflicted dynamic ??

Is it legal to throw out your own teen under the age of 18?

 

[Davia18]

Wait, so you are a domestic violence victim who threatens your child with a beating worthy of a jail visit, and this is a positive thing? That is so disturbing and awfully sad to keep the violent cycle going.
I want my child to behave for the positive natural consequences of doing so, not because they don't want me to beat them.
Teaching children violence is an appropriate reaction is a reason so many of these threads exist.

I will not continue to debt this with everyone. Clearly things are being taken incorrectly.
I HAVE NOT NOR WOULD I EVER HIT MY CHILD.
There's a lot more to it. And more post prior to that one.

I would NEVER teach my child violence, I'm beyond against violence. My daughter has been bullied and pushed down and hit in the back of the head I have taught her to go to the office she's not to react with violence. Not sure why I even need to justify this I clearly said I have never hit me children nor would I. 'SIGH'

I'm not here about me, I'm here for the victims and their loved ones left behind to deal with all this.
I'm here to hopefully make a tiny difference even if that's through my own children and how I raise them.
I'm here for nothing but positive.

 

[Only4Justice]

OKAY! What a bad day.

Just got home from work, been following you smart WS Friends. So love all of you and appreciate your comments~

I just saw the first photo of the killer. EVERY TIME THIS HAPPENS and I see the kid who did it, I think YOU MF! Sorry JMO

 

[Davia18]

These shootings often end in the shooter's death so I don't think fearing the consequences has anything to do with it, and I would guess what's keeping most kids from shooting up their peers isn't the fear of getting spanked if they do.

Also, JMO this is abusive language. I hope she knew you were kidding.
Basically told her if I do go to jail I'll make sure it's a good reason.

Yes she's well aware I would never touch her and I don't feel she'd ever even think of touching me. We lived with abuse and escaped it when she was 7. Her father is now in jail and with luck will stay there and we will be safe.

 

[CARIIS]

who knows possibly? MM is probably no longer cool.
The media blitz cemented their infamy.

i have not in most bought this infamy stuff

most are mentally ill and the last thing they are thinking about is being famous

they are dealing with suicidal or homicidal stuff

few are thinking about the future they are acting out rage or dying

the notion that someone who wants to be dead can not believe they will know how much media coverage they got after they are dead

like what cable news is present in the coffin that just has never made sense moo


it more primal imo than that i am done i want to hurt all the people that wounded me

or i want to be gone

i really don't believe a lot of them believe that they can watch the news after being dead

that is imo an excuse for the folks that are still alive

unless actively psychotic most know that they will not know the intensity of the coverage they got after their heart quit beating

kinda a strange conclusion moo

moo

 

[Jinkasaurus]

Another day, another school shooting. I have no words that will add anything productive to the discussion.

Instead I will share a couple of articles.

This is a good article from a few years back in the New Yorker about how school shootings spread .. goes into quite a bit of depth. I recommend it for anyone trying to get their head around why these incidents keep happening.

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/10/19/thresholds-of-violence

This is another in-depth article which gets into the issue of people in the community paying attention to warning signs.

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/10/mass-shootings-threat-assessment-shooter-fbi-columbine/

 

[Hatfield]

I recall at one time parents were legally responsible until 18 years old. Did that law recently change? I do feel bad for parents who cannot control unruly teens. So what do we do if the parents cannot control their kids?

I wonder about this too? Did some legislation change about this because I can recall a long time ago that our parents were always worried about getting sued or thrown in jail for what us kids did.

I remember my parents threatening me about that and it honestly did help me stay in line because my parents kept reminding me that they would have to pay for my actions.

What happened to that?

 

[CARIIS]

Is it legal to throw out your own teen under the age of 18?

it may not be but who is gonna know ?? until it is too late

if all parties are fine with it noone will know

noone is calling LE on this

moo

 

[CARIIS]

Another day, another school shooting. I have no words that will add anything productive to the discussion.

Instead I will share a couple of articles.

This is a good article from a few years back in the New Yorker about how school shootings spread .. goes into quite a bit of depth. I recommend it for anyone trying to get their head around why these incidents keep happening.

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/10/19/thresholds-of-violence

This is another in-depth article which gets into the issue of people in the community paying attention to warning signs.

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/10/mass-shootings-threat-assessment-shooter-fbi-columbine/

most are not seeing anything around them

they are staring at their cell phones

just a sad reality

 

[PrairieWind]

Has any one heard how the shooter entered the school? Did he only shoot up the art class? And how was he finally taken down? Since it was reported that he had a journal that said he intended to kill as many as he could and then commit suicide, its remarkable that he was taken alive. This is just speculation, but I would guess that the reason he had the .38 revolver was to kill himself. Maybe he inadvertently used all his shots from the revolver in the classroom.

 

[Elley Mae]

There also is a search warrant out for Pagourtzis' vehicle. He had written in journals and on his computer that he wanted to commit the shooting and commit suicide afterward, Abbott said.

https://m.chron.com/news/houston-te...-Fe-High-School-12925050.php?ipid=mobbreaking

There also is a search warrant out for Pagourtzis' vehicle. He had written in journals and on his computer that he wanted to commit the shooting and commit suicide afterward, Abbott said.

The teen had no previous criminal history and there were no warning signs of the attack, he said.

 

[bluesneakers]

Things I learned after our lockdown

On April 26, Duarte High School, Northview Middle School, and California School of the Arts-San Gabriel Valley were advised by the Los Angeles’ Sheriff’s Department to lock down the school due to police activity in the immediate area at the beginning of lunch. All students and teachers made appropriate decisions based on our previous training and the whole campus was locked down in under a minute. During the lockdown, the Remind Emergency Alert Application was used to keep students and parents updated on the situation. At 1:05 p.m., we received the all clear signal.

Things I learned after our lockdown:

1. It is not a drill.

5. When it’s finally quiet, I know my friends and I are waiting to hear gunshots. Why we automatically assume the worst, I do not know. I cannot tell if it is because we did not know what was going on or if the names are echoing in our heads: Parkland, Sandy Hook, Columbine, Virginia Tech.

8. I can’t remember the last thing I said to my mother.

17. I think about how horrible it is to feel lucky to be able to walk out of school alive every single day.

- More at link.

 

[Strangeworld]

I will not continue to debt this with everyone. Clearly things are being taken incorrectly.
I HAVE NOT NOR WOULD I EVER HIT MY CHILD.
There's a lot more to it. And more post prior to that one.

I would NEVER teach my child violence, I'm beyond against violence. My daughter has been bullied and pushed down and hit in the back of the head I have taught her to go to the office she's not to react with violence. Not sure why I even need to justify this I clearly said I have never hit me children nor would I. 'SIGH'

I'm not here about me, I'm here for the victims and their loved ones left behind to deal with all this.
I'm here to hopefully make a tiny difference even if that's through my own children and how I raise them.
I'm here for nothing but positive.

Davia, I just read your post and a few others and just had to say I didn't interpret what you said as others did - I didn't take it as you threatening your child with violence - it sounds like the other posters may have misunderstood the way you wrote your thoughts. You don't have to explain or justify yourself to others on here

 

[joedotnet]

Another day, another school shooting. I have no words that will add anything productive to the discussion.

Instead I will share a couple of articles.

This is a good article from a few years back in the New Yorker about how school shootings spread .. goes into quite a bit of depth. I recommend it for anyone trying to get their head around why these incidents keep happening.

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/10/19/thresholds-of-violence

This is another in-depth article which gets into the issue of people in the community paying attention to warning signs.

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/10/mass-shootings-threat-assessment-shooter-fbi-columbine/

Very informative! Thank you for posting.


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