Found Deceased TX - Sherin Mathews, 3, Richardson, 7 Oct 2017 #6 *Arrest*

[Gigglingtoes]

He doesn't need a petition to have a tribute.

true story

 

[MissMalowe]

Wait, really?! They can follow the outdoor scent trail of a body that was carried in a car?! Holy. My dog is an underachiever.

BBM
This part of your post made me chuckle Thank you!

Maybe you could start a new thing and train your dog to pick up the scent of misplaced car keys / dead cell phones / TV remotes and women's hair ties!

But on a serious note, I just also learned from this thread a lot more about different types of search dogs! They are indeed amazing! And the handlers are as well!

 

[yupikgirl]

I think petitioning of the body is just plain crazy. The Facebook group/page is all up in that and if anyone disagrees they pounce...truly bizarre.

Not wanting to argue with anyone about it (I’m sure they’re are lots here in that group that agree or disagree), but now that’s it’s in the news I’m glad we can discuss it.

JMO but I won’t be signing any petition- this child has family members not involved in her death...


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[Margo/Mom]

I clicked on this one because it looked like new info:

http://www.firstpost.com/world/sher...ear-old-girl-had-eating-disorder-4176923.html

The headline says orphanage owner confirms the eating disorder. Reading the article, however, someone probably meant "contests," not "confirms," as there is no confirmation contained in the article. Just putting it out as an example of difficulty in getting info from across the seas. Combined translation difficulties, along with the likelihood that many things being reported are restatements (through two translations) of information published here.

There is also the issue of viewing through a different lens. While US readers may be outraged at the parents, readers in India may be outraged at their own authorities for having made the placement.

Good to have the different perspective, though.

 

[jens]

true story

He is petitioning to take possession of Sherin's body rather than her being given back to the family. If the Mathew's family aren't planning Sherin's funeral then
it is a kind gesture by Father Thomas.

 

[Gigglingtoes]

He is petitioning to take possession of Sherin's body rather than her being given back to the family. If the Mathew's family aren't planning Sherin's funeral then
it is a kind gesture by Father Thomas.

I personally dont care what he does but I see both sides.:fence:

 

[FlossyMay]

I think petitioning of the body is just plain crazy. The Facebook group/page is all up in that and if anyone disagrees they pounce...truly bizarre.

Not wanting to argue with anyone about it (I’m sure they’re are lots here in that group that agree or disagree), but now that’s it’s in the news I’m glad we can discuss it.

JMO but I won’t be signing any petition- this child has family members not involved in her death...


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I've never heard of anything like this.

 

[Margo/Mom]

He is petitioning to take possession of Sherin's body rather than her being given back to the family. If the Mathew's family aren't planning Sherin's funeral then
it is a kind gesture by Father Thomas.

1. We don't know what Sherin's family may be planning, and given some of the sentiment that has been aimed at Sini and the family's church, there would be good reason not to make any plans public.
2. The body may very well not be available for any final disposition so long as the ME is carrying out the autopsy.
3. I have a hard time seeing any kindness in the implicit suggestion that none of the people in Sherin's life for several years are caring or involved in mourning her.

As I said earlier, if he wants to organize a community tribute or memorial service, nothing is stopping him. He doesn't need anyone's permission and he certainly does not need her body. In fact, in the absence of any actual knowledge of the extended family's plans or wishes, his focus on claiming the body for the community just strikes me as creepy.

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

I haven't followed this case but found this article interesting. Didn't see it posted yet.

Ex-Caregiver of Texas Girl Found Dead Disputes Dad’s Claim She Was Malnourished
by Associated Press

NEW DELHI — A toddler whose body was recently found in a drain in suburban Dallas was cheerful, healthy and eating well a year ago when she met her new parents, according to the manager of the Indian orphanage from where Sherin Mathews was adopted.

Babita Kumari said she wants to know what happened to the 3-year-old girl, whose father has been jailed after telling police that Sherin had choked to death while drinking milk in the middle of the night. Wesley Mathews has told police Sherin needed a special diet involving meals at odd hours because she was malnourished...

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/ex-caregiver-texas-girl-found-dead-disputes-dad-s-claim-n814951

 

[jens]

I personally dont care what he does but I see both sides.:fence:

I actually meant to reply to Margo/Mom's comment that he didn't need a petition to have a tribute, i.e. rather than a tribute he wants to conduct her funeral.

I can also see both sides.

 

[Laughing]

Heights Child Development Center won't talk about Sherin & I'm glad of that.

I'd also be glad to hear what they know about eating. I expect RPD and CPS have visited & reviewed files.

Some of you know that I worked in Head Start for a long time. Parents can get kinda testy when they see their child do something in a classroom that the child can't/won't/doesn't do at home.

Including sit at a table & eat a variety of foods -- with a fork. Then clean up their own place at the table.


Sherin spent significant developmental time in a large group setting, the orphanage. Did she eat more successfully at HCDC (in part) because she was once again with a larger group?


I have known kids stuck in a power/control/punishment household. Those kids are so very happy to come into the classroom on Monday mornings....

 

[yupikgirl]

I've never heard of anything like this.

Truly bizarre


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[CTHR]

Just a thought , in regards to the claims of language delay and nutritional challenges
Is it possible she was being compared mostly to the bio daughter , and not given ample time to fit into her new life , nor consideration given that she was her own little person , developing a Sherin personality ( typical 3 yr old ) ?
I imagine we really have no idea if the bio daughter was perhaps gifted in some areas ? Like speech ?

 

[CanadianWells]

BBM
This part of your post made me chuckle Thank you!

Maybe you could start a new thing and train your dog to pick up the scent of misplaced car keys / dead cell phones / TV remotes and women's hair ties!

But on a serious note, I just also learned from this thread a lot more about different types of search dogs! They are indeed amazing! And the handlers are as well!

LOL! No prob. I’ve learned a lot too, and my new goal is to get our little sniffer, the Admiral, to let me know where I should be tossing my crab traps. He’s our first hound, and I’m amazed at how different he is from any dog we’ve had. I can see how he would have been suited to being trained for this. I had no idea how incredibly powerful their noses are. They are incredibly stubborn dogs, so my hat’s off to those handlers. Big time.

 

[CTHR]

On another note , I had no idea when I read that first news article on Oct 7 how quickly this tragedy would wrap itself around my head . I know I am not alone in that regard , so many of you have clearly been down this road many times . I didn't know I was capable of so many tears . Prayers are heard , but answered in His time , just trying to be patient .

 

[faw720]

Heights Child Development Center won't talk about Sherin & I'm glad of that.

I'd also be glad to hear what they know about eating. I expect RPD and CPS have visited & reviewed files.

Some of you know that I worked in Head Start for a long time. Parents can get kinda testy when they see their child do something in a classroom that the child can't/won't/doesn't do at home.

Including sit at a table & eat a variety of foods -- with a fork. Then clean up their own place at the table.


Sherin spent significant developmental time in a large group setting, the orphanage. Did she eat more successfully at HCDC (in part) because she was once again with a larger group?


I have known kids stuck in a power/control/punishment household. Those kids are so very happy to come into the classroom on Monday mornings....

I think your last paragraph says it all!! JMO, but I think WM was probably a control freak. His way or the highway, literally!

 

[Rocco]

I think petitioning of the body is just plain crazy. The Facebook group/page is all up in that and if anyone disagrees they pounce...truly bizarre.

Not wanting to argue with anyone about it (I’m sure they’re are lots here in that group that agree or disagree), but now that’s it’s in the news I’m glad we can discuss it.

JMO but I won’t be signing any petition- this child has family members not involved in her death...


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Does that Facebook group/page have a new link? Some of the comments and perspectives were interesting so I used to read what was posted but as of last night when I click on it, I get the message 'The link you followed may be broken, or the page may have been removed.'

 

[MarisaS1985]

I believe that there are multiple things going on. One is that the information from the Indian authorities has slant towards them saying that they did everything right on their end. According to one earlier account (in one of the Indian newspapers I recall), there was a description of Sherin's eager participation in receiving milk, noting that they only had enough for a limited number of children.

Pictures from the orphanage or the adoption celebration show a child whose head looks somewhat disproportional (large) to the body. This to me reinforces the accounts (most recent in the Social Worker's adoption follow-up report) that point to malnourishment at the time of adoption. Also, multiple posts here have suggested that children in Indian orphanages, or orphanages in many countries where caring resources are limited and stretched, develop various expectations about food--that there won't be enough, that they have to eat quickly (or take a bottle quickly) before the caregiver has to move on to another child. So, they may have seen a child who ate well as it was available, but still wasn't getting enough nourishment.

There has been a lot of speculation about the possibility of some emergent swallowing disorder. Could be. It is also not infrequent for children adopted either from orphanages or neglectful homes to carry scars forward in the form of eating disorders, including hoarding of food.

Further, parents who tend to be success-driven or oriented in their own lives may have difficulty in giving children appropriate space to work through problems. Which leads to my own personal theory, which is that mealtime may have become something of a battleground at home owing to legitimate concerns around malnourishment, growth and development. Of course, this only makes things worse. Many parents (and teachers, relatives and onlookers) subscribe to the belief that "good" parents are able to "make" their children do what they are supposed to. Many believe strongly in corporal punishment.

Not saying this to give anyone an excuse, Merely trying to paste together the things we do know into some kind of cohesive pattern.

My kids paternal grandparents used to have visitation. My DD is stubborn and her grandfather got furious over food and told us and cps that "no child was going to dictate to him what they would eat" and that he was "going to break her" she was 3 and after this she told cps a bunch of things that had cps deem visitation no longer safe. In the end they even lost supervised access because their true colours came out at cps and resulted in kids being escorted out and LE bring called.... But it's very clear that some ppl have that mentality.

Where I think most mamas often fall into the category of chicken nuggets and Mac and cheese because we know it's just a phase and offering our child anything they will eat is better than them starving or trying to "break" them....

Poor Sherin....


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[yupikgirl]

Does that Facebook group/page have a new link? Some of the comments and perspectives were interesting so I used to read what was posted but as of last night when I click on it, I get the message 'The link you followed may be broken, or the page may have been removed.'

I think they made it closed. There are a couple I follow- I believe only one is a “group”. Let me check. Private isn’t allowed to be posted...


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[Seajay]

I don't know how I feel about the petition to take control of the body. I'm leaning on the side of it being weird and jumping the gun.

The body is still under control of the ME. Who is to say the family isn't already trying to make arrangements?

I could only see this happening if no one in the family is stepping up to memorialize this precious girl.

To petition to take that right from them is just wrong. IMO

Thry can have a memorial of their own without a body. I don't know how the Indian culture handles burials, if a body need to be present or not, but right now they have no legal claim (which I know the petition is trying to gain) but they also don't have a moral claim.