Found Deceased TX - Sherin Mathews, 3, Richardson, 7 Oct 2017 #8 *Arrests*

[lorelei2017]

It bothers me that they knew what she looked like prior to adoption but chose to not have pictures of her because she's "disfigured". Why adopt someone "disfigured" when it's not something they can handle?

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I got exactly what you mean

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[BlinkOfAnI]

Iirc, the CPS worker mentioned the bio daughter didn't cry. Someone posted about it upthread. I took that to mean she was not distressed, but I supposed not crying could be a learned behavior as a result of possibly/likely witnessing Sherin being abused. Or it could mean she was just so tired she didn't realize what was happening.

I can't get this case out of my mind. It was one of the first things I thought about when I woke up this morning. I just keep wondering why? Why did they go through with the adoption, only to treat Sherin like adoption outcast? I want to ask Wesley, why on earth he would force this on Sini, when she clearly did not want Sherin. Did he think Sini's core belief system would magically change once they brought Sherin home?

And then, I find myself wondering if their difficulties conceiving was God trying to tell them something, because Christians believe God knows all, and knows what's to come but allows free will. It goes along with that be careful what you ask for, you just might get it.


I can't recall another case like this where someone traveled half way across the world to bring home a child only to resent and kill them.[/]QUOTE

Editing my earlier comment since those parents were not charged. This article is better: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/03/01/AR2006030102380.html

I wish there weren't other cases like this. Different ages, countries, explanations, reasons, excuses, manners of death. There is nothing more heinous then killing a child.

Here are just a few:

Faye Lin Cannon (July 2017)>
http://www.7newsbelize.com/sstory.php?nid=41050Hyunsu O'Callaghan>
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...dopted-3-year-old-son-death-article-1.1619223

Nina Victoria Hilt> http://www.nbcnews.com/id/12975766/...man-gets-years-killing-daughter/#.WiiugbQ-dZ0

Dennis Gene Merryman>
http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2008-04-18/news/0804180106_1_merryman-harford-county-donna

Hana Williams>
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...r-ethiopian-girls-death-idUSBRE99S1DH20131029

Max Shatto> http://www.cnn.com/2013/03/27/us/texas-russian-adoption-death/index.html

 

[Doghairrules]

:thinking: I haven't researched abusive parents, so I don't know if this theory would fit. Help me out

Do abusive parents look for a reason to start an argument that leads to abuse? I'm wondering if it's possible that the 'milk' situation is the spark to ignite the fire? Could they have chosen her not wanting to drink as the reason for abusing her. See, YOU chose this! All you have to do is drink the darn milk. But NO! YOU have to cause a scene... that type thing? When really the milk has nothing to do with why you're upset, or why you're blaming the child, or why you're abusing the child.

Once the truth is revealed, I don't think it will be anything like the several versions we've heard so far.

It's surprising to me that Sherin was taken to specialist for anything. Rarely would those be one time visits. The symptom or complaint is monitored over a period of time to see if the recommended treatment makes things better, or worse.

I've seen the lying and covering of truth when animals are involved. While you're looking at a puppy shying from touch, because of the abuse it thinks it will inflict pain, and heard more excuses for animal behavior and obvious signs of abuse, like broken bones. But I've never dealt with someone trying to hide broken bones in a child. I just don't know how that was possible!

I hate that Sherin spent likely months of her last year on earth in pain. There's no way I can see how she would have that many fractures and not be in pain. Imagine going to hug her, and it causing pain. Or picking her up, and her arms were broken. I just can't see how so many people either didn't know, or turned their brain off.

Based on personal experience, I don’t think it’s unusual for abusive parents to gaslight a child. [emoji22][emoji174]

 

[BlinkOfAnI]

Just throwing this out there for anyone interested. This is an excellent website that has tracked the worst adoption abuse and murder cases. It is an eyeopener. (I don't think it has been updated to include part of 2016 on)
http://poundpuplegacy.org/case_archives

 

[rosesfromangels]

I feel like Sherin was never adopted to be an equal member of that family. I think in their minds she was a lifetime servant or a 'whipping boy' or something. It makes me feel sick.

Or something.

 

[kkdj]

the milk story is a farce imo. Why would he even think anyone would think that made logical sense?
Why would they think not having pictures around the home because of her eye would make logical sense? Sherin was a human being! A child for crying out loud!
What the heck?
And this nonsense is something they want in the courts?
Is that why the dad pled the 5th? So he could explain his illogical thinking because otherwise it might be held against him??

 

[Amonet]

Pleading the 5th is just a legal thing. I think that in this situation it's being advised by their lawyers in order to defer any discussion of those questions until criminal trial for the charges against them for Sherin.

I don't completely understand the legal implications of pleading the 5th, though, because to a non-legal person it sounds very much like admitting that they've got something to hide. Invoking the 5th is surely to say "if I answer this I risk implicating myself", and we 'know' it's not that they're going to implicate themselves in something unconnected.

After hearing the last Maria Guerrero FB live I am torn about the milk story. I am going back to something I wondered earlier, and that is whether Sherin was fed something to make her choke, something gritty in the milk? But in the Maria Guerrero Q&A FB Live, she said something about WM giving Sini the choice to either go out to dinner as a family or for Sini to stay home with Sherin? Does that imply that Sherin was alive and either well or sick at that time? And the 'new' timeline of 10pm to midnight for WM trying to get Sherin to drink her milk, shouting at her and Sherin taking a sip each time she was shouted at and procrastinating in between being shouted at. I can imagine that scenario happening in Sherin's life, but I don't know if it happened that particular night or if he's recalling a situation that happened another time to try to explain how Sherin died during a fight for her to drink her milk. That story also makes me question whether WM is just as nasty with Sherin when he is the one doing the parenting and why that might be? Is he emulating Sini's treatment because he's following her lead, is it because he's been brainwashed to feel this is how Sherin should be treated, or is he describing fights that Sini had with Sherin and just inserting himself into the power position in order to take the blame for Sini?

The back story that's coming out in the custody hearings does not make me feel that WM is the primary abuser, but even someone who's been psychologically abused can be convinced to abuse someone else, and that can even be a part of psychological abuse, the power of forcing someone else to abuse another person can feel very 'empowering' to an abuser, especially to force them to abuse something/someone that they're attached to and care about and in the normal way would want to protect.

 

[katydid23]

The police, meanwhile, shared new details about the toddler’s death, stating that her foster father bundled her "stiff and cold" body in the back of his car with a bag of trash and hid her corpse in the culvert. He then turned off the GPS on his phone to hide his location.

The police have recovered some of Sherin’s clothes from the trash can. The clothes have stains on them, which are being investigated.

Wesley Mathews has told the police he held Sherin as she died and the police have stated that he tried to warm her up before dumping her body.

An investigator told the court that she did not see many pictures of Sherin in her foster parents’ home, whereas there were many pictures of Wesleys’ biological daughter.
Explaining why, their attorney Rafael De La Garza told the media in a shocking statement that this was so because Sherin was ‘disfigured.’ “You're not going to post an unflattering picture of the child for everybody to see,” he told the media.

http://www.timesnownews.com/interna...-parents-home-since-she-was-disfigured/141301

Wonder what those stains are that were found on the child's clothes?

 

[katydid23]

Richardson police detective Jules Farmer testified that Wesley, 37, told them that Sherin died choking on milk that he forced her to drink.

Farmer said that Wesley was forcing her to drink milk from a bottle while she was in the garage and he said that she was standing up when she choked.

The detective said he questioned Wesley how she could choke while standing up. Wesley then told the detective that Sherin stopped breathing, but he never called emergency number 911 or summoned his wife Sini, who is a nurse, for help.
https://www.ndtv.com/indians-abroad...y-along-with-a-bag-of-trash-detective-1784463


After Mitchell's testimony, Richardson police Detective Jules Farmer gave the clearest picture yet of the events before and after Sherin Mathews' death. Farmer said Wesley Mathews told him that he got up in the middle of the night and asked his daughter, who slept in a crib in her parents bedroom, if she was awake. She said that she was, so her father asked her is she wanted to finish her milk, which she hadn't finished earlier that night, according to the detective.

Wesley Mathews then took his daughter to the garage to finish her milk, he told the detective. According to an arrest warrant affidavit, Sherin Mathews' father said the girl began to choke as she was drinking. Her breathing slowed, and Mathews "believed she was dead," he told the detective.

After Sherin Mathews died, Farmer said Tuesday, Wesley Mathews put her in the back of his car with a "couple of bags of trash" and dumped her in a nearby culvert. Wesley Mathews intended to return to get the body later, he told Farmer.

Sini Mathews told Farmer that she woke up at 5 a.m. and saw a "weird look" on her husband's face after Wesley Mathews got rid of the body. The couple then went to the kitchen table and prayed for three hours before Wesley Mathews called the city of Richardson's nonemergency line to report his daughter missing at about 8 a.m. Oct. 7.

http://www.dallasobserver.com/news/sherin-mathews-update-10137729

So many questions after reading their testimony above.

Sherin slept in a crib in her parents room? That surprises me a bit. But OK...

So if she is in a crib, and you have a BOTTLE of milk to give her, why take her to the garage? Why not just give her the bottle and let her finish as she goes back to sleep?

Who gives a child a bottle and stands there and expects them to STAND UP in the garage and finish it?

 

[Karinna]

The police, meanwhile, shared new details about the toddler’s death, stating that her foster father bundled her "stiff and cold" body in the back of his car with a bag of trash and hid her corpse in the culvert. He then turned off the GPS on his phone to hide his location.

The police have recovered some of Sherin’s clothes from the trash can. The clothes have stains on them, which are being investigated.

Wesley Mathews has told the police he held Sherin as she died and the police have stated that he tried to warm her up before dumping her body.

An investigator told the court that she did not see many pictures of Sherin in her foster parents’ home, whereas there were many pictures of Wesleys’ biological daughter.
Explaining why, their attorney Rafael De La Garza told the media in a shocking statement that this was so because Sherin was ‘disfigured.’ “You're not going to post an unflattering picture of the child for everybody to see,” he told the media.

http://www.timesnownews.com/interna...-parents-home-since-she-was-disfigured/141301

Wonder what those stains are that were found on the child's clothes?

For a start the investigator is incorrect. Sherin Mathews was not a fostered child, she was as far as we know legally adopted by WM & SM's, otherwise she would not have been allowed entry into the USA.
The stains on the clothing could be vomit or blood IMO.

 

[DakotaMayi]

An investigator told the court that she did not see many pictures of Sherin in her foster parents’ home, whereas there were many pictures of Wesleys’ biological daughter.
Explaining why, their attorney Rafael De La Garza told the media in a shocking statement that this was so because Sherin was ‘disfigured.’ “You're not going to post an unflattering picture of the child for everybody to see,” he told the media.

RS&BBM.

He just needs to stop talking if he wants to help his client out. What a terribly shocking thing to say. Did this attorney really think that was a good and justifiable reason to voice?

 

[Karinna]

RS&BBM.

He just needs to stop talking if he wants to help his client out. What a terribly shocking thing to say. Did this attorney really think that was a good and justifiable reason to voice?

Maybe he is working for the State? Seems like it to me with that info.

 

[DakotaMayi]

Maybe he is working for the State? Seems like it to me with that info.

Oh that's true. Sorry, I read it as "their" as in the Mathews. Makes much more sense! Still, a horrendous thing to have to be said.

 

[Karinna]

Oh that's true. Sorry, I read it as "their" as in the Mathews. Makes much more sense! Still, a horrendous thing to have to be said.

I read it the same way lol, and thought it was the Mathews attorney that said that.

 

[katydid23]

Maybe he is working for the State? Seems like it to me with that info.

Oh that's true. Sorry, I read it as "their" as in the Mathews. Makes much more sense! Still, a horrendous thing to have to be said.

I read it the same way lol, and thought it was the Mathews attorney that said that.

He is the defense attorney. Not the prosecutor.

 

[Karinna]

He is the defense attorney. Not the prosecutor.

Thanks for clarifying & that's what i thought and said what i did, albeit sarcastically because he sounds as if he works for the state and not his client. It happens though, and has happened in another case i am following, probably to have secured a conviction, which is what actually happened.

 

[katydid23]

Thanks for clarifying & that's what i thought and said what i did, albeit sarcastically because he sounds as if he works for the state and not his client. It happens though, and has happened in another case i am following, probably to have secured a conviction, which is what actually happened.

He is a perfect fit for his stupid client. They both say the worst possible things they could say, when trying to explain themselves. :no:

 

[Grouchymom]

:thinking: I haven't researched abusive parents, so I don't know if this theory would fit. Help me out

Do abusive parents look for a reason to start an argument that leads to abuse? I'm wondering if it's possible that the 'milk' situation is the spark to ignite the fire? Could they have chosen her not wanting to drink as the reason for abusing her. See, YOU chose this! All you have to do is drink the darn milk. But NO! YOU have to cause a scene... that type thing? When really the milk has nothing to do with why you're upset, or why you're blaming the child, or why you're abusing the child.

Once the truth is revealed, I don't think it will be anything like the several versions we've heard so far.

It's surprising to me that Sherin was taken to specialist for anything. Rarely would those be one time visits. The symptom or complaint is monitored over a period of time to see if the recommended treatment makes things better, or worse.

I've seen the lying and covering of truth when animals are involved. While you're looking at a puppy shying from touch, because of the abuse it thinks it will inflict pain, and heard more excuses for animal behavior and obvious signs of abuse, like broken bones. But I've never dealt with someone trying to hide broken bones in a child. I just don't know how that was possible!

I hate that Sherin spent likely months of her last year on earth in pain. There's no way I can see how she would have that many fractures and not be in pain. Imagine going to hug her, and it causing pain. Or picking her up, and her arms were broken. I just can't see how so many people either didn't know, or turned their brain off.

I don't know that there is a single template by which to understand/categorize abuse. I do believe that for some the entry door is what Grouchymom has called a lack of tools in the tool box to respond to various behaviors. So abuse grows out of frustration. And may be repeated if it seems to "work,"--to stop the baby crying or make the toddler stop their tantrum, or whatever. Particularly if there is a supportive environment--family members who are supportive of corporal punishment.

But there are also people who have other personal hang-ups. Drug/alcohol use, or some organic mental/emotional thing. There are patterns of anger/abuse in users--that serve to justify the drug/alcohol use. Essentially picking fights in order to have a reason, and a scapegoat. Looks like that in some relational abuse. Some folks with mental/emotional stuff I think have altered perceptions of what is going on around them. May experience a feeling of anger and look around for something to pin it on.

Now--where I am going out on a limb (because I am no expert), is to think that there may be people who get "hooked" into their abuse pattern. They get some kind of boost or compensation out of physically interacting and overcoming someone/something. And as a result periodically go looking for excuses to hit/overpower.

I do know that denial is a powerful element in a lot of dysfunction. In order to avoid having to come face to face with the reality of having just bashed a kid, or wife or girlfriend in the face, or whatever, the blame game comes into play. IOW, the abuser says "you made me do this!"

At this point, I am pretty much believing that Sini is a serial abuser, and that Wesley seems to be her enabler. But I still don't have much insight into what drives her. Not hearing so much about her anger--from her interactions with the pediatrician and the CPS worker who removed the older child. More detachment. Focus on the ruined weekend or the planned baby shower. Also not what I would expect from someone adept at manipulating people or creating impressions.

Let me add that often I have seen abusers both domestic and child especially serial abusers who are what I refer to as “excuse losers” These are people who can not or will now accept any responsiblity for their particular lot in life. The don’t get the job because there was a ”minority quota to fill” or they got a traffic ticket because the police got a bonus for writing the most tickets. They search out things or people to blame for their own frustrations and inadequacies. The Domestic Violence preparatory that says the victims “made him hurt her”.

That being said I have come to believe with the new information obtained via the custody hearings that this was the case with Sherin. She was the cause of everything negative in that household. She ruined their weekend with the CPS investigation, she wouldn’t drink her milk, she made them drive to Dallas to the Dr. She was an inconvenience. She lived under the microscope of the excuse losers who needed someone or something to blame. The orphanage gave them “damaged goods”.

The milk or food became the excuse to make her pay for their failures. Every frustration became Sherin’s fault and they “punished” her to make themselves feel superior and to vent their stress. The did recieved a “release” after hurting her so each time fed the next. They had nothing but contempt for her.

For those who remember my parenting advice instead of makeing bread and taking their frustrations out on the dough it was Sherin. How I wish someone had shown them the benefit of driving nails rather than hurting their child.

JMHO

I also have a nagging thought. I understand that Christians from Kerala are not part of the Caste system the way others in India are but I think in a way it was part of their mentality. The reasons we have heard for their choosing to adopt have varied but one sticks in my head. It has been mentioned that they got Sherin as a playmate for the other daughter. What it it was more like a plaything for the sister. They were well educated people from an area of more wealth and Sherin was just damaged goods from a poor area. She was not an equal. She was supposed to be grateful for whatever crumbs they tossed her way. How dare she be stubborn and independent? She was no ones toy she was her own person.

 

[Grouchymom]

:thinking: I haven't researched abusive parents, so I don't know if this theory would fit. Help me out

Do abusive parents look for a reason to start an argument that leads to abuse? I'm wondering if it's possible that the 'milk' situation is the spark to ignite the fire? Could they have chosen her not wanting to drink as the reason for abusing her. See, YOU chose this! All you have to do is drink the darn milk. But NO! YOU have to cause a scene... that type thing? When really the milk has nothing to do with why you're upset, or why you're blaming the child, or why you're abusing the child.

Once the truth is revealed, I don't think it will be anything like the several versions we've heard so far.

It's surprising to me that Sherin was taken to specialist for anything. Rarely would those be one time visits. The symptom or complaint is monitored over a period of time to see if the recommended treatment makes things better, or worse.

I've seen the lying and covering of truth when animals are involved. While you're looking at a puppy shying from touch, because of the abuse it thinks it will inflict pain, and heard more excuses for animal behavior and obvious signs of abuse, like broken bones. But I've never dealt with someone trying to hide broken bones in a child. I just don't know how that was possible!

I hate that Sherin spent likely months of her last year on earth in pain. There's no way I can see how she would have that many fractures and not be in pain. Imagine going to hug her, and it causing pain. Or picking her up, and her arms were broken. I just can't see how so many people either didn't know, or turned their brain off.

He is a perfect fit for his stupid client. They both say the worst possible things they could say, when trying to explain themselves. :no:

I personally love his attorney. He will offend the jury everytime he opens his mouth. He could be the first attorney in history to get the death penalty for a client with a traffic ticket LOL.

 

[watergirl62]

Grouchymom, I have wondered if they got Sherin for the sister's benwfit as well and I have wondered if her role was to be playmate or scapegoat or punching bag or someone to feel superior to.

It has seemed... too far-fetched before but now, not so much. Thanks for putting that idea out there.