TX - Terri 'Missy' Bevers, 45, killed in church/suspect in SWAT gear, 18 Apr 2016 #38

[Cannonball3804]

Thank you. I'm probably not going to give you an angle you might want on this topic, because I'm inclined to think it was nothing of any significance. I think the extreme rain is the factor being overlooked.

Heavy rain. Super heavy. The driver goes across a big puddle or three in the road, or a truck flies by him and throws a wall of water at his car, and it either makes him slew sideways, or his brakes seem to have gotten wet/malfunction, or he has an electrical/battery malfunction of some sort after getting everything soaked by a puddle or a passing truck or something in the extremely heavy rain. Maybe headlights flicker or brakes are weird, or both.

If you've never been in that sort of situation, this probably sounds weird to you. But I have. Rain sloshing up into just the wrong place can make weird things happen to your car, and particularly relevant to what I see here is the sort of situation where the lights flicker or go off when you hit your brakes. It's like a system overload or short.

So I'd theorize that the car is acting weird, the driver sees an oasis off the road, a fully lighted parking lot, and turns in. Maybe he switches off lights, thinking he might have a battery issue - or maybe the system problems make the electrical system and lights flicker as he hits his brakes to pull in. Drives slowly. Goes slowly and seems okay. He also fiddles with lights as he turns corners or hits brakes - or maybe the lights themselves do it, rather than him, where they are flickering on and off as he hits brakes and turns corners. Makes a lap slowly, stomping on brakes here and there to see what he gets (yes, this is seen as well). Eventually decides that he will stop for a few and let things drip dry a bit, before resuming. Turns off lights, sits for 3 minutes, decides it seems better, and he cautiously exits and goes on his way.

That's what I see.

But respectfully, in thread 20 when discussing the still image, you said you thought the driver probably pulled in just a little ways into the parking lot, made a phone call or whatever, and then got right back on the road.

Now that you've seen that the reality is far different from that, you're still minimizing. And your scenario doesn't make a lot of sense. Heavy rain + electrical short doesn't fix itself by making a loop around a building and then parking out in the middle with no cover. It's raining steadily. If he experienced the problems you describe, he would seek a place out of the rain, not out in the middle of it.

SWFA said it was quite unusual for a car to be in their lot at that time of night, so that shoots down the theory that some have posed here that travelers probably pull off at SWFA frequently.

Then there's the fact that a brutal murder occurred within sight of that parking lot a couple of hours later.

And if this was an innocent person then why, with all the national publicity around this case, has that innocent person not come forward?


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[SteveS]

Does anyone else think that maybe a church member could be the perp? In the beginning threads, i thought maybe a member was angry that fitness groups and other non religious groups were allowed to use the church facilities. Most churches have a few members that oppose anything non religious happening in their church.

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I go to a similar-style church, about the same size, in the general area. And while you can't definitively rule out the extremes of human behavior when it's humans involved, I'd say the likelihood is EXTREMELY small (microscopically, even) that anyone from this church would have that sort of issue. This sort of building usage was a church norm at CCoC. There are hundreds of churches in the area, and a person who didn't like things like that, who would see a building as needing to be set aside rather than used and used for activities of all kinds, simply would be involved in a different church. There are plenty to pick from.

And any faithful church member of a church like this wouldn't see murder as a viable alternative anyhow.

 

[wgram]

Might be why you see them hitting the brakes occasionally. Maybe they were barely reaching the petals. jmo

Except the seat wasnt reclined... it was back very far, suggesting the perp had his disguise on, and needed the extra leg room

 

[MrsPC]

Also, when police initially released the still photo - we were all researching about the supposed "emblem" underneath the license plate. But if you view the newly released video at 7.30 - this is the point where the still photo was taken - there is no emblem. In my humble opinion, I think the "emblem" was simply photo distortion in the original pic.

 

[Inthedetails]

And if this was an innocent person then why, with all the national publicity around this case, has that innocent person not come forward?


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Snipped by me.

Very good point.

 

[Camerabug]

Thank you. I'm probably not going to give you an angle you might want on this topic, because I'm inclined to think it was nothing of any significance. I think the extreme rain is the factor being overlooked.

Heavy rain. Super heavy. The driver goes across a big puddle or three in the road, or a truck flies by him and throws a wall of water at his car, and it either makes him slew sideways, or his brakes seem to have gotten wet/malfunction, or he has an electrical/battery malfunction of some sort after getting everything soaked by a puddle or a passing truck or something in the extremely heavy rain. Maybe headlights flicker or brakes are weird, or both.

If you've never been in that sort of situation, this probably sounds weird to you. But I have. Rain sloshing up into just the wrong place can make weird things happen to your car, and particularly relevant to what I see here is the sort of situation where the lights flicker or go off when you hit your brakes. It's like a system overload or short.

So I'd theorize that the car is acting weird, the driver sees an oasis off the road, a fully lighted parking lot, and turns in. Maybe he switches off lights, thinking he might have a battery issue - or maybe the system problems make the electrical system and lights flicker as he hits his brakes to pull in. Drives slowly. Goes slowly and seems okay. He also fiddles with lights as he turns corners or hits brakes - or maybe the lights themselves do it, rather than him, where they are flickering on and off as he hits brakes and turns corners. Makes a lap slowly, stomping on brakes here and there to see what he gets (yes, this is seen as well). Eventually decides that he will stop for a few and let things drip dry a bit, before resuming. Turns off lights, sits for 3 minutes, decides it seems better, and he cautiously exits and goes on his way.

That's what I see.

Initially I had this same thought. I was once the not-so-proud owner of a moisture sensitive car. It would behave very badly just like what we saw here..the lights would fade not turn off..the wipers would stop just when you needed them most and it would stall out even while driving down the road meaning that the steering would become very difficult. In short, a car I would definitely get off the road as quickly as possible. Even the fogging up is consistent.

BUT there are too many other things going on that trouble me and keep me from buying that theory. I'm not trying to be snarky to you at all, so please don't take it that way. No offense is meant.

I see see the lettering on the garment the driver is wearing. It doesn't appear to say US Mail. I see the face and the balaclava as the person drives toward the back of the store lot. I see the hood dip in what appears to be surprise at the sight of the two parked cars at the back of SWFA. (Didn't SP use Google to research?) Yes, the car could have stalled, but I don't see that. It's braking I see. I feel the timing is spot on for preparing to B&E at the Church in order to have time to prepare for the next step in the murderous plan.

Too many strange coincidences.

 

[moslym3]

Thank you. I'm probably not going to give you an angle you might want on this topic, because I'm inclined to think it was nothing of any significance. I think the extreme rain is the factor being overlooked.

Heavy rain. Super heavy. The driver goes across a big puddle or three in the road, or a truck flies by him and throws a wall of water at his car, and it either makes him slew sideways, or his brakes seem to have gotten wet/malfunction, or he has an electrical/battery malfunction of some sort after getting everything soaked by a puddle or a passing truck or something in the extremely heavy rain. Maybe headlights flicker or brakes are weird, or both.

If you've never been in that sort of situation, this probably sounds weird to you. But I have. Rain sloshing up into just the wrong place can make weird things happen to your car, and particularly relevant to what I see here is the sort of situation where the lights flicker or go off when you hit your brakes. It's like a system overload or short.

So I'd theorize that the car is acting weird, the driver sees an oasis off the road, a fully lighted parking lot, and turns in. Maybe he switches off lights, thinking he might have a battery issue - or maybe the system problems make the electrical system and lights flicker as he hits his brakes to pull in. Drives slowly. Goes slowly and seems okay. He also fiddles with lights as he turns corners or hits brakes - or maybe the lights themselves do it, rather than him, where they are flickering on and off as he hits brakes and turns corners. Makes a lap slowly, stomping on brakes here and there to see what he gets (yes, this is seen as well). Eventually decides that he will stop for a few and let things drip dry a bit, before resuming. Turns off lights, sits for 3 minutes, decides it seems better, and he cautiously exits and goes on his way.

That's what I see.

Thanks for your observations. I agree that extreme weather is a factor - perfect time for prowlers and burglars as storm noises muffle break-in sounds, visibility is limited from car windows, cops chasing silent alarms all over town due to wind and cracking thunder/lightning.

Is the time also a factor? If this exact same behavior had occurred 30 minutes prior to the murder, would you think differently?

This parking lot "stop in" occurred about 1:50 before SP was seen on camera. LE said that SP spent some time in the kitchen and we can't be sure if this was before or after the first time SP was seen on the camera - there probably isn't a camera in the kitchen.

If we assume that the time spent in the kitchen occurred before SP was seen on camera for the first time and we assume that SP took time to strong-arm the door to get in using the tools we see him carrying (hammer and some pry bar) and we add another 10 mins of drive time to circle around from the location to the church we are getting closer in time frame.

Would any of this change your perspective of "car malfunction, testing lights, etc" to this car being possibly linked to the murder?

 

[ezrah]

Here is a link to a video on my google drive. The first minute or so is a daytime drive around SWFA if you slow it down (why these people drive fast doing these things I will never understand) you can see the parts of the building and cameras we did not see any footage of in the SWFA Altima video. For some it might help with orienting things as it looks in daylight and not pouring rain. It is 9.7 mb download.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0Bx0LL2gY_AorTkFNa0t1ejlLdnc

That's really helpful to see where these places are. Thanks for posting.


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[GA_Peach]

I see see the lettering on the garment the driver is wearing. It doesn't appear to say US Mail. I see the face and the balaclava as the person drives toward the back of the store lot. I see the hood dip in what appears to be surprise at the sight of the two parked cars at the back of SWFA. (Didn't SP use Google to research?) Yes, the car could have stalled, but I don't see that. It's braking I see. I feel the timing is spot on for preparing to B&E at the Church in order to have time to prepare for the next step in the murderous plan.

Too many strange coincidences.

Snipped and bolded by me.

I definitely see the hood dip, and I think that it's because those cars surprised the driver. If Altima driver (AD) used Google to research SWFA, he would have seen those cars during the day. Google doesn't have pictures of SWFA during the evening. While cars may have been routinely parked in that area during the day, the parked cars could still have surprised AD when he saw them at night. The only way those cars would not have been a surprise is if AD made a dry-run (or multiple runs) to scope out the SWFA landscape at night. If that were the case, SWFA would also have that on video. MOO

 

[coastal]

Here's a theory, and that's all it is, mere speculation. Look at google Earth to see how close the CCOC, SWFA and the Mid-Way Regional Airport are to each other. Assuming more than one perp, or a perp/accomplice, could the Altima driver have been waiting for someone to arrive at the airport and call or signal? It's a three-minute drive from SWFA Outdoors to the airport, a four-minute drive from the airport to the church.

If the perp needed to get back to the airport after the murder, (s)he might go on foot through the countryside (seems unlikely), if not, (s)he/they might leave in the Altima and go wherever they needed to hide. Are there security cameras at the airport and if so have the police checked them?

Not sure the perp(s) are criminal masterminds. They may just be lucky so far. Or maybe not. We don't know what physical evidence the police may have. However, whoever suggested that the police cleared the scene too fast because they thought it was an interrupted burglary gone wrong may be right -- although that shouldn't have excused a rushed clearance either, imo.

ETA: In case I wasn't clear, I'm speculating that the Altima driver could have been waiting for someone to arrive at the airport by private aircraft from who knows where.

In between the airport and the church is a lake that Google Earth has labeled "Diamond J Ranch Lake Number 2". I looked up the Diamond J Ranch. It is a hunting ranch "located 5.5 miles east of Brady, Texas."

Their website http://diamond-j-ranch.com/ says:

While the native Texas whitetail deer are our main hunting focus, the ranch offers many exotic species of deer for your year round hunting pleasure.

Also:

Our hunts include:
Guided day hunts
Exotic hunts
White-tail hunts
Dove hunts
Turkey hunts
Hunted game include Elk, Fallow, Black Buck, Axis, White-tail & Turkey.
Our Facilities include:
Processing Facility with walk-in freezer
Gun Range
Transportation Provided


And:

NO Personal ATVs or UTVs are allowed, transportation will be provided
Private guides are included in the cost of your hunts. Tips are optional.Bucks are gross green scored on the Boone & Crockett Scoring system.
TEXAS STYLE DEER HUNTS
Our Texas Style Deer Hunts include 3 days of hunting.
All Deer Hunts include lodging and meals.
One half deposit is required to book dates, remaining payment after hunt is complete
PARENT/CHILD HUNT
Any child under 16 may be added to your hunt. The cost is an additional $100 per day. All meals and lodging are included.
INCLUDED WITH ALL HUNTS:
Transportation to/from the airport.
Deer quartered and packed in cooler for transportation.

Bold mine. The following is speculation only.

FIrst, I know nothing about hunting, but common sense tells me that it begins very early in the morning, at least for doves and turkeys. Deer are shy and easily spooked of people. A class like Missy's, with music and yelling and lots of people jumping around, would have certainly alarmed any animals living behind the church, who might then change their habits in response to the new environment. Someone who sells hunting trips for a living might have issues with a neighbor making noise near his hunting grounds. Missy's 5:00 a.m. class of Gladiators at that church might directly impact a hunting guide's success, enough, so that both could not co-exist in the same place.

I think he/she watched Missy and her class, sometimes from the SWFA parking lot. I think he'she/they used a hunting scope to learn exactly what was needed, and then used that knowledge to hunt her down and kill her. I think he/she/they did walk away into those woods, possibly back to the airport where the Altima would be waiting.

Can we find out who such a person might be, and if they perhaps rented a Nissan Altima from his/her buddy at Hertz the night of Missy's murder?

 

[tiffay01]

Why does it have to be a husband/wife team? Could be a male and or female unrelated to each other.

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Very true!! It's definitely a possibility it could be a duo team of any kind. I just can't imagine I would murder anyone (a), but (b) if I did I'm sure it would be pretty difficult for me to TRUST anyone other than my spouse. But again I am open any all possibilities!!!

 

[cady]

How is it physically possible for a short perp to drive with the seat extended so far back?

LOL Oversized boots? JMO

 

[TSA2016]

This is what I see. Thoughts?

 

[SteveS]

I'm confused ...the article about the video of the car states the following:

http://www.fox4news.com/news/228808414-story

"Investigators say they have yet to ID the car or its driver but do not think it’s tied to Missy’s murder."

It's not confusing at all, if you listen to what LE has been saying all along, and accept that they have no particular benefit in being deceptive on this issue. They have always said that they don't think this person had anything to do with the murder, but are just following up a "loose end" in a quest to be thorough. It gave people something to talk about and pore over, but other than throwing it out there as a bone to the amateur detectives who were harassing innocent citizens in the wake of the murder, LE has been completely blase' about the Nissan driver.

 

[arkansasmimi]

Here is a link to a video on my google drive. The first minute or so is a daytime drive around SWFA if you slow it down (why these people drive fast doing these things I will never understand) you can see the parts of the building and cameras we did not see any footage of in the SWFA Altima video. For some it might help with orienting things as it looks in daylight and not pouring rain. It is 9.7 mb download.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0Bx0LL2gY_AorTkFNa0t1ejlLdnc

Thank you Jethro for uploading this for us. I have seen a few uploaded and unsure when this one was taken. BUT DeDee went there on July 24, 2016 and it was prior to that. I know that because in photos she has shared, there are added outdoor cameras that were not there in this video as was Alarm stickers on the doors (red) as well as the push button speaker system Cameras added near the kitchen door that handle and window busted, at the NE corner near trash dumpsters, near the NE doors that were busted, and at the SE corner doors (where the Equipment room was located outside the NE doors)

Also this proves, that the parked in the dock area in back were there all the time (Google Earth, SWFA Altima video) DeDee photos July, and the drive by.

And we see there are many more cameras that had view but not in the 17 camera shots, and you would be able to see the turn around maybe from the SWFA cameras if they happen to be rotated that way. It not as far down driving as looks on Google Earth.

 

[MrsPC]

It's not confusing at all, if you listen to what LE has been saying all along, and accept that they have no particular benefit in being deceptive on this issue. They have always said that they don't think this person had anything to do with the murder, but are just following up a "loose end" in a quest to be thorough. It gave people something to talk about and pore over, but other than throwing it out there as a bone to the amateur detectives who were harassing innocent citizens in the wake of the murder, LE has been completely blase' about the Nissan driver.

yep, in my opinion I don't believe the Nissan is involved...I'm just confused why posters are giving it so much attention here when police have stated they do not think it was related to MB murder...lol

 

[Camerabug]

Snipped and bolded by me.

I definitely see the hood dip, and I think that it's because those cars surprised the driver. If Altima driver (AD) used Google to research SWFA, he would have seen those cars during the day. Google doesn't have pictures of SWFA during the evening. While cars may have been routinely parked in that area during the day, the parked cars could still have surprised AD when he saw them at night. The only way those cars would not have been a surprise is if AD made a dry-run (or multiple runs) to scope out the SWFA landscape at night. If that were the case, SWFA would also have that on video. MOO

Excellent point!

 

[arkansasmimi]

Any defense attorney will argue the same - that's why it's imperative we get the right people/person.

Agree and I do think one probably will come do for name recognition. When there is an arrest, and probably use much of stuff we have pondered over for sure. JMHO

 

[Camerabug]

Very true!! It's definitely a possibility it could be a duo team of any kind. I just can't imagine I would murder anyone (a), but (b) if I did I'm sure it would be pretty difficult for me to TRUST anyone other than my spouse. But again I am open any all possibilities!!!

The one benefit to a husband wife team, unless things have changed, is that they can't be compelled to testify against each other..I don't know if this has been extended to other civil unions ...

 

[SteveS]

But respectfully, in thread 20 when discussing the still image, you said you thought the driver probably pulled in just a little ways into the parking lot, made a phone call or whatever, and then got right back on the road.

Yes, I'm consistent. what you cite was what I figured, when all we had was a snapshot of a car pulling back onto the road and the mention that they had been there for a few minutes a full hours preceding the murder. The pure speculation then was that they (or someone else) got out, and I didn't buy it - and sure enough, with more info, such speculation was wrong. And now that we have more video, there's nothing in it of any consequence, just a driver who was fiddling with lights and brakes and made a slow lap before parking briefly and then resuming his drive, all of which are easily explained in those conditions.

And your scenario doesn't make a lot of sense. Heavy rain + electrical short doesn't fix itself by making a loop around a building and then parking out in the middle with no cover. It's raining steadily. If he experienced the problems you describe, he would seek a place out of the rain, not out in the middle of it.

Clearly, you have never been in that situation to know how it's caused, what it does, or how to react to it. I have. And what that driver did was EXACTLY what you should do if you are in the same situation. EXACTLY. You get off the road to a safe place. You drive slowly and pump the brakes here and there to test and dry them. If your lights continue to flicker when you brake, you stop for a bit, which means sitting for a few is recommended. It's not the rain coming down that causes such an issue, but rather a puddle sloshing upwards into the electrical parts and/or brakes. so sitting in the rain isn't going to matter.

If you do or don't agree with my thinking, that's fine either way. ~shrug~ I was asked what I think, and based on my experience, this is what I think was most likely happening here.