TX - Terri 'Missy' Bevers, 45, killed in church/suspect in SWAT gear, 18 Apr 2016 #43

[Razz]

Sorry but that is very confusing to me, can you clarify what part is speculation and what can be linked and verified?
For one thing, looking through years worth of Missy's photo posts reveals multiple instances of posts to the effect of "rain or shine we are working out" and not a single post about cancelling a class. As our recent Camp Gladiator alumni just posted, trainers use locations with alternate indoor workout areas in case of rain. So it would seem unlikely to me that BB would have asked if she was still having class due to the rain. Not to mention he was out of state on a fishing trip, so I would think he'd be less likely to be keeping up with the weather back in Texas.

I imagine this is a abbreviated but I really don't like the list of alibis BB gives in this article. "Brandon Bevers also said his whereabouts the morning his wife was killed is also a “non-issue”. He said police have plane tickets and a car rental receipt to prove he was on his yearly fishing trip in Mississippi.
Plane tickets and a car rental? No eyewitness accounts? No CCTV footage? Missy's shared photos of BB and his father's past fishing trip on her page. Did he return with photos this time? I have no idea when he left Texas or if he even had time to do any fishing as I've never seen a timeline on that.
http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2016/04/27/missy-bevers-family-backs-pds-decision-to-seize-bloody-shirts/

Sorry. I can see where it is very confusing.

I appreciate you trying to find fact vs rumor. I guess that's why we have approx.18 months of threads. We've been there and done that. You may need to just go back and read every thread....and/or listen to all of BB's interviews if they are still available.



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[janesmith787]

MOO but CG was very public and I’m assuming most st the church knew about it being there. If it was in fact a burglary gone wrong (which I highly doubt)...IMO the perp would’ve still checked out the church and the events there ahead of time to know it’d be “safe” to break into at 3-4 in the morning. MOO.


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[kirkassoc]

Yes but why do you think so? Can you relate your opinion to case facts or is it just a gut feeling?

I keep saying that this case has been hindered by its own circumstances, you can find so many cliches you might expect from such an investigation all in this one case that a casual perusal is almost guaranteed to make you go, "Oh yeah, it was that guy., he set her up." But as you learn more, you end up saying, "Oh, well it could have been them." Then you find out about the Linked-in messages and you say, "Well obviously.. but wait a minute, it couldn't be all of them!?!" This case is like a red herring breading facility. Any direction you want to run with your theory, you will find evidence to support that.
This is why I am doing an exhaustive accumulation of information about this case, so I can discuss it according to the known facts. Otherwise I get about two statements in and start wondering if I am remembering verifiable facts or commonly espoused rumor? I will be pulling forward the "Fact check" post I started a few pages back and see it evolving into an abbreviated FAQ of sorts on the facts most related to whether or not this was a planned murder or a botched break-in.

BBM...It makes me wonder WHY anyone would go into that much detail with their camouflage if they were only planning to break and enter? A hoodie, mask, gloves and sox to cover their shoes should be sufficient to fool the cameras AND cover their tracks, IMHO. Someone went to an awful lot of trouble just for breaking and entering a church. A lot of detailed, premeditated planning went into that outfit, JMO. It would seem to me that detailed premeditation was for something far more sinister than breaking and entering and robbing a church? :thinking:

 

[KaaBoom]

Though think the victim was targeted, burglars vary in skill and motivation (as the other poster mentioned).

Skilled burglars would quickly try to locate the Sunday donations (ransack church secretary's and clergy offices), then move on to expensive audio / video equipment that some churches may have, then quickly leave as they know about possible silent alarms and possible early morning prayer groups etc.

Less experienced burglars may wander around with out a plan or be in a drug daze. Likewise, they could have a primary motivation of vandalism and only steal haphazardly. Thus, they could spend far longer in the church.

This perpetrator, however, does not seem to be acting like any kind of burglar (makes no efforts, either systematic or clumsy to find valuables). Likewise, the person does not vandalize anything. Instead, she (seems to have a feminine gait) appears to be nervously pacing while waiting for some one.... .

How do you know the burglar was making no effort to find valuables? If the security video is your source, that only shows a few edited clips of him walking around the halls and breaking open doors, and nothing of what he was doing in the rooms. The video only shows two minutes out of 30 plus minutes he was in the building. How do you know what he was doing for the other 28 plus minutes?

As for the possibility of a silent alarm, after about 10 minutes the burglar would know that there was no silent alarm, or at least that no one was responding to it. As for morning prayer groups, how many prayer groups meet before 6 AM or 7 AM? I would guess very few.

 

[DeDee]

Respectfully snipped for focus

I'm thinking about motive for SP wandering around in the church.<>

SP has to assume that the tapes will be watched by LE and the church leaders immediately after.

Yes, SP knew most activity was taped by CCTV. It is most obvious as SP leaves the door in the main hallway that SP feigned to pry open, sheathed the tool(s), looked at the camera then, walked diagonally, into the corner, off camera; thereby, no CCTV was triggered to capture SPs movement while in that dark recess.

Is SP just bored, curious and "having his way with" the church?

SP is committed to a mission. SP is attempting to outfox LE by pretending to meander about the Church a bit. Folks even consider SP to be a female due to the gentle tapping on the glass in the last series, yet, SP was gently tapping, purposefully, to pull the broken glass into the interior hallway. It is not by coincidence that SP just so happened to be near where MB walked into the Church. That is a clue and LE knows it.

Loves the thrill maybe?

Stalking prey is an adrenaline rush for some hunters and many crooks. SP was not scared. SP thought the plan made SP a very good crook.

Does SP have a motive related to the church - like wanting to scare them

Yes, if SP was otherwise unemployed. It could place SP in a position to be considered for a role with CCoC.

or make them lose trust in law enforcement?

Appallingly, Ellis Co. LE was already proven to have employees that were corrupt. Therefore, on a certain level, a lack of trust already existed. If members of LE were stealing large numbers of firearms from the evidence locker then, perhaps, someone stole SWAT equipment, vests, in particular, as well.

Does SP have a motive related to law enforcement?

Possibly, in more ways than one, regarding future employment. Perhaps SWAT Gear was not an impersonation but a real life LE, past or presently. Or SP was a former Sp Ops who scored the necessary equipment without leaving a paper trail.

Is SP just wandering around looking for something interesting to steal?

What could be inside the CCoC worth stealing? Music and electronic equipment? Rare Bibles? Valuable rugs? No, no, no. Cash? SP did not break into a safe. SP didn't break into any offices, at all, while walking the corridor where the offices are located along the Dutch Door hallway.

"planning to beat a woman to death with a hammer in about 15 minutes" seems so far-fetched.

More than anything else, the attack was, to my knowledge and understanding, an ambush by an unknown male. MB may have fought her attacker. She was stronger than most females so that, for me, means a male, strong enough, was required for the job.

MB died from injuries to her chest and head "by tools the SP is seen carrying" inside the CCoC. It's possible MB was shot first. A K9, whose job it is to locate firearm residue and other related duties, was brought in. It is possible the seemingly "overkill" was due to a successful attempt to excavate or recover the bullet and/or fragments. I am not a bullet specialist so I'm unable to address that issue adequately.

A killer would never leave a victim alive in a potential Death Penalty murder. The 911 call went out for an "unresponsive female". That knowledge had to be imparted by the first CGs to arrive.

I'm enjoying your point of view and the questions posed. My ears pricked when it was mentioned that someone had to know a daughter would not be with Missy that morning. However, I won't go there.

 

[KaaBoom]

What could be inside the CCoC worth stealing? Music and electronic equipment? Rare Bibles? Valuable rugs? No, no, no. Cash? SP did not break into a safe. SP didn't break into any offices, at all, while walking the corridor where the offices are located along the Dutch Door hallway.

Do you have a link to information that he didn't break into offices or safes?

 

[MzOpinion8d]

http://news4sanantonio.com/news/loc...-texas-church-attack-was-dressed-in-swat-gear

This article from the day after it happens says the person wandered around but never took anything.

 

[Cryptic]

As for morning prayer groups, how many prayer groups meet before 6 AM or 7 AM? I would guess very few.

I don't know about Protestant churches, but Catholic churches can have people present at a church 24 hours a day, seven days a week if they have adoration (Catholic practice with no Protestant equivelent).

With out knowing specifics, I imagine that it would not be unheard of for some evangelical type protestants to have an early morning prayer service / meeting centered on the coming work week for those interested. A host or leader arriving say, thirty minutes early would not be unusual. That could easily place him there at 6:00 or 6:30.

If the security video is your source, that only shows a few edited clips of him walking around the halls and breaking open doors, and nothing of what he was doing in the rooms. The video only shows two minutes out of 30 plus minutes he was in the building. How do you know what he was doing for the other 28 plus minutes?

And if he / she was looking for things to steal, what are the odds that in all that time, they did not find one object worth taking? (news reports say nothing was taken, none of the video shows the person examining items, then discarding them etc).

In the end, if it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck. This person is not quacking like a burglar and their actions do not look like either a skilled or unskilled burglar.

 

[Razz]

Sorry but it isn't my responsibility to verify your information. Any information shared as fact is supposed to be verifiable via link as per TOS by the person posting it. Nobody gets to claim an unlinked lead as fact on the basis that it is so until someone else proves it wrong. That is just illogical.

Got it. So disregard my post.

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[Cannonball3804]

I don't know about Protestant churches, but Catholic churches can have people present at a church 24 hours a day, seven days a week if they have adoration (Catholic practice with no Protestant equivelent).

With out knowing specifics, I imagine that it would not be unheard of for some evangelical type protestants to have an early morning prayer service / meeting centered on the coming work week for those interested. A host or leader arriving say, thirty minutes early would not be unusual. That could easily place him there at 6:00 or 6:30.


And if he / she was looking for things to steal, what are the odds that in all that time, they did not find one object worth taking? (news reports say nothing was taken, none of the video shows the person examining items, then discarding them etc).

In the end, if it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck. This person is not quacking like a burglar and their actions do not look like either a skilled or unskilled burglar.

A Protestant church is going to be dead as a doornail on a Monday. They would not typically have anything going on at 6 am on a Monday morning after just having services the day before. And I suspect that SP is relatively unchurched, so it would not have even occurred to them that someone would show up at such an early hour.

The SP did take (or by picking it up and carrying it, intended to take) at least one item, the white rectangular object. And again, if you feel like you have all the time in the world, you might clear the entire building first, then go back and gather things. We've seen very little video, and the cameras only capture hallways and foyers. We don't know what he did in any of the rooms, and we don't know that he didn't break into the offices (which don't have cameras). And once again, you can't say "he took nothing, so that's proof it wasn't a burglary" when it would have been an INTERRUPTED burglary. I feel like no one is hearing me on this.

 

[Cryptic]

More than anything else, the attack was, to my knowledge and understanding, an ambush by an unknown male. MB may have fought her attacker. She was stronger than most females so that, for me, means a male, strong enough, was required for the job.

Good point.

Though the person&#8217;s gait seems feminine, I think you are right that the victim had the physical ability to fight off / escape from most women assailants and probably more than a few men even if momentarily surprised.

One exception could be that a lucky first blow near incapacitated her. Though this is very possible, it does not seem likely.
Then factor in that the victim was probably self-assertive (most athletic instructors are) and if her &#8220;extracurricular activities&#8221; were a possible motivation for the attack, may also have been aware that she had antagonized someone. Thus, being confronted might not come as totally &#8220;out of the blue&#8221;.

Though none of the above would guarantee a threat response equivalent to a professional boxer / MMA fighter or a Special Forces soldier, my bet is that the victim would recover quickly from surprise and be a tough target physically.

 

[KaaBoom]

http://news4sanantonio.com/news/loc...-texas-church-attack-was-dressed-in-swat-gear

This article from the day after it happens says the person wandered around but never took anything.

Actually it says "video shows the intruder wandering the halls, but never actually taking anything." I'm not trying to nitpick, but I think that's an important difference. It only says that the video didn't show him taking anything, not that he didn't take anything. Though I doubt he did take anything. I think after he killed MB, he just wanted to get out of there as quickly as possible. But the point is that we don't really know what he was doing inside the rooms, or how long he spent doing it.

 

[Cryptic]

A Protestant church is going to be dead as a doornail on a Monday. They would not typically have anything going on at 6 am on a Monday morning after just having services the day before. And I suspect that SP is relatively unchurched, so it would not have even occurred to them that someone would show up at such an early hour.

The SP did take (or by picking it up and carrying it, intended to take) at least one item, the white rectangular object. And again, if you feel like you have all the time in the world, you might clear the entire building first, then go back and gather things. We've seen very little video, and the cameras only capture hallways and foyers. We don't know what he did in any of the rooms, and we don't know that he didn't break into the offices (which don't have cameras). And once again, you can't say "he took nothing, so that's proof it wasn't a burglary" when it would have been an INTERRUPTED burglary. I feel like no one is hearing me on this.

OK, I can accept that nearly all protestant churches would be deserted early Monday morning (so would a good number of catholic ones as not all have adoration 24/7/365).
That aside, consider the totality of the detractors to the interrupted burglary possibility:

- The church, as a totality, was apparently not a particularly juicy target for a prepared burglar (disguise and tools).

- The SP has over kill disguise gear on (the preferred uniform for nearly all burglars, both pro and impulsive seems to be tennis shoes, jeans and &#8220;hoodie&#8221; or ball cap, not copious quantities of useless swat stuff).

- Though picking up one object, the SP does not appear to be systematically collecting valuables.

- Nothing was evidently stolen.

- The police have not called it an interrupted burglary based on say, off camera ransacking etc.

The null (burglary) still exists, but to me, it does not seem likely.

 

[KaaBoom]

I don't know about Protestant churches, but Catholic churches can have people present at a church 24 hours a day, seven days a week if they have adoration (Catholic practice with no Protestant equivelent).

With out knowing specifics, I imagine that it would not be unheard of for some evangelical type protestants to have an early morning prayer service / meeting centered on the coming work week for those interested. A host or leader arriving say, thirty minutes early would not be unusual. That could easily place him there at 6:00 or 6:30.


And if he / she was looking for things to steal, what are the odds that in all that time, they did not find one object worth taking? (news reports say nothing was taken, none of the video shows the person examining items, then discarding them etc).

In the end, if it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck. This person is not quacking like a burglar and their actions do not look like either a skilled or unskilled burglar.

We only have 2 minutes of video of him walking in the halls and breaking into rooms. That means we don't know what he was doing 95% of the time, he was in the building. The police probably have some idea of what he was doing inside the rooms, but they are not talking. So I think anything posted here about what he did, or didn't do inside any rooms is speculation.

As for prayer services at 6 AM, that would have still given the burglar another hour and a half inside the building, if MB hadn't interrupted him.

 

[Cannonball3804]

OK, I can accept that nearly all protestant churches would be deserted early Monday morning (so would a good number of catholic ones as not all have adoration 24/7/365).
That aside, consider the totality of the detractors to the interrupted burglary possibility:

- The church, as a totality, was apparently not a particularly juicy target for a prepared burglar (disguise and tools).

- The SP has over kill disguise gear on (the preferred uniform for nearly all burglars, both pro and impulsive seems to be tennis shoes, jeans and &#8220;hoodie&#8221; or ball cap, not copious quantities of useless swat stuff).

- Though picking up one object, the SP does not appear to be systematically collecting valuables.

- Nothing was evidently stolen.

- The police have not called it an interrupted burglary based on say, off camera ransacking etc.

The null (burglary) still exists, but to me, it does not seem likely.

Are you allowing for the possibility of mixed motives? What if this person is into role play? They may play a lot of Halo or Call of Duty type games. So it turns them on to dress up in full gear. It also helps in the rain because it's water resistant. And keeps his own DNA contained.

So maybe burglary was a secondary motive. Role play might be 1 (with vandalism being necessary to add realism to the role play).

As for what police have said, I am reminded of what Asst Chief Johnson said on a recent podcast. "Our investigative strategy, and our media response, are two different things." Who knows what they really think, or what evidence they have that we don't know about.

 

[Cryptic]

Are you allowing for the possibility of mixed motives? What if this person is into role play? They may play a lot of Halo or Call of Duty type games. So it turns them on to dress up in full gear. It also helps in the rain because it's water resistant. And keeps his own DNA contained.

So maybe burglary was a secondary motive. Role play might be 1 (with vandalism being necessary to add realism to the role play).

As for what police have said, I am reminded of what Asst Chief Johnson said on a recent podcast. "Our investigative strategy, and our media response, are two different things." Who knows what they really think, or what evidence they have that we don't know about.

I can see a role player / fantasy actor turned violent possibility more than I can see an interrupted burglary.

The long period of time spent at the church could then be attributed to the role player / fantasy actor waiting to attack a person as part of the fantasy. Or, the person was enjoying the role play / fantasy and then took the chance encounter with the victim to escalate the &#8220;game&#8221; further.

I would even give the theory precedence if the victim was unlikely to have personal enemies. In this case, however, the victim may well of not only had personal enemies, but there was an increased chance that such a potential enemy could go extreme given the emotions / motives behind a potential confrontation.

In the end, I think the targeted possibility warrants more consideration than a violent role player (which would, as you stated, account for the over kill, almost cartoon like Swat gear) or a burglary (less likely to me).

 

[WannaBDetective]

Two murderssolved this week I’d been keeping an eye on.

1. Mandy Stavick. Was murdered in 1989 as a 18 year oldcheerleader/musician/athlete. 900 people attended her memorial (near where I grew up) . She went jogging in her remote neighborhood with her dog and her dog made it home by himself. Her disrobed body was found by the nearby river. Iknew where she lived and frankly, you had to be lost to be down there. The theory was one of the guys in the hollowthere or maybe a tourist/outdoorsman going up into the mountains.

Four years ago, the case was re-opened, and modern DNA testing came back with a prettyclear identifier. 30-50 men that lived in that enclave were all asked to give a DNA sample. One refused. He immediately went to the top of the POI list. But his employer refused to let them enterhis delivery truck to get a DNA sample. Recently, a co-worker retrieved a coke can and cup that he had used andgave it to the sheriffs dept. Bingo, aperfect match. Then they started puttinganecdotal evidence together. He was 22at the time and lived along her jogging route. While watching crime TV, his wife said he had arrogantly boasted thatonly stupid people get caught. The wife at one time filed a restraining order against him. He began attending the girl’s basketball games in high school. All things that later made up the puzzle.

2. Lorenzo Wight. NBA player I’d watched in college andpro. Murdered in 2010 and his ex-wifewas arrested to it this week. The guywho helped her started to talk and they ended up finding the gun used in thebottom of the lake. She ended up with$1M insurance policy as part of the deal.

Lessons to apply.

#1. This may be a long while.

#2. The person(s) is almost always eventually caught.

#3. It’s often thru someone involved, down theroad, talking.

#4. Or someone slipped up somewhere.

#5 Traditional motives of sex/jealousy/money/revengeare prevalent

 

[cattlekate]

I sure hope Websleuths gets a new forum as looking at it from a regular browser pops up those horrid “congratulations” scams. And using Tapatalk, while clean, is so unwieldy.

But my two cents after looking at this case for 1.5 years is - the murderer is just so lackadaisical and thus has full confidence she/he won’t get caught. She’s/he’s either a complete nutter who planned Missy’s targeting to a tee, or somehow connected to whoever and knows there will be no prosecution.

This is just sick that the perp hasn’t been found. And I don’t think BB had anything to do with it.


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[ZoriahNZ]

Is there footage of the SP picking up the rectangular object from somewhere in the church? Because, if I'm correct and the SP is wearing a black front-pack where he can store tools/objects, then there's also the possibility that the white rectangular object was brought with him.

 

[Oregonmama]

I think MB was targeted & I think the killer needed to perform the kill away from her house where her **children** were. So to me, the Church was just a convenient location. The timing couldn’t have been better with hubby out of town, dark outside, rainy night....a killers’ “trifecta” so to speak!

As to the nonchalance nature of the killer; he has done evil deeds before.

The SWAT outfit is a perfect ruse for a quick getaway without witnesses suspecting a thing if witnesses should come about. Yep, of course police are on the scene <— a perfect blending in & getting away quickly.

Still.."43 threads & no suspect named. Her family is staying quiet....(not to insinuate blame on them).

Moo

Too risky to kill someone in their own home if one person is their target. A home invasion was not on the sp's frame of mind. The church is located in an isolated area, right along a highway, it was dark outside and empty inside which to me spells a perfect setting for a targeted murder. Bonus: Hubby was out of town and more things for LE to follow up creating a distraction from the sp and their personal motive JMO