TX - Terri 'Missy' Bevers,45, murdered in church/person in SWAT gear,18 Apr 2016 #19

[cady]

Definitely a possibility. I don't think he would stick around that long though to wait for the stuff to fully burn down. Also, the houses don't have utilities anymore, so if a bigger fire caught there would be no water to put it out. That could draw attention quickly and people would notice the car pulling out of that road. JMO. Who the heck knows??! lol. I just wish MPD would tell us what was actually going on there last night.

"Not gonna do it....wouldn't be prudent"......JMO

 

[Curious21]

IF that's the case, that 1st camper is the murderer, then either A. LE had to have found the gear discarded nearby and we just don't know about it, or B. LE didn't search the campers' cars and should have.

Even if it was not camper 1 (which is highly likely), it's possible LE has the gear and we don't know.

**One of the first campers IS NOT the poi. I know of this person, and they're not even on the phone/list SW.

 

[barcode]

I had previously thought about first camper being perp, but didn't they get MB and camper entering on camera. If that's the case video would've showed perp leaving scene before MB arrived unless they parked elsewhere.

RBBM I am a little confused, if the perp left the scene before MB arrived, she would be alive.

 

[TTF14]

**One of the first campers IS NOT the poi. I know of this person, and they're not even on the phone/list SW.

I don't think all POIS are on the SW list but I also did not think camper 1 was our murderer! ☺

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[cady]

**One of the first campers IS NOT the poi. I know of this person, and they're not even on the phone/list SW.

OK. Thanks. We are told that none of the people on the SW are pois, either. JMO

 

[SteveS]

I had previously thought about first camper being perp, but didn't they get MB and camper entering on camera. If that's the case video would've showed perp leaving scene before MB arrived unless they parked elsewhere.

Afaik there's no video of perp leaving. Presumed to have left building out the back or side. But while it's logical he would have fled the scene entirely, the idea that he might not have (for one reason or another) doesn't seem impossible to me. Would be easy to rule out, if the cars of the campers were searched thoroughly, but what if LE simply took all the campers as assumed innocent, and took names and IDs but didn't look closely inside cars? The campers had daily lives to get to, after camp, and weren't likely to have wanted to be at a gruesome murder scene that long. Just wondering if there is a door of possibility ajar.

 

[rotary_dial]

All of the talk of a septic tank made me think back to an earlier thread. Last month, this photo of the church was posted [video=twitter;722427836607234048]https://twitter.com/JennyAFox4/status/722427836607234048[/video], and texasgirl2 made the following comment:

Arkansasmimi, I just had my husband look at the photos you posted. In the post above that you quoted from SpanishInquisition (photos from Twitter), husband says that the one window on the side that is boarded up has to be the kitchen because the brown things in front of it on the ground are "grease trap access tops". According to him, no doubt that is the kitchen!

The covers on those type of grease traps usually aren't as heavy as the ones used on normal "manholes". It could be possible that the perp used the pry bar, hammer, or even a heavy duty screwdriver to open the grease trap before they entered the building. Then on their exit, they could have dumped their outfit and other tools down the trap and then closed the cover. I would hope that the investigators drained the traps and looked at everything. I imagine that anything that was contaminated by the grease would foil forensic efforts at finger print or DNA evidence. It would be a brilliant solution to destroy evidence and also hide it in plain sight.

I haven't seen anyone else mention this so far, so forgive me if it's been discussed already.

 

[Heather301]

Ok so the MPD said they weren't involved in the incident last night and they didn't know anything about it? I find that very hard to believe. Maybe it was another one of the agencies assisting with the case but the MPD would be told if that were the case... Right? One mysterious black SUV ok but TEN come on.... They should just say no comment or this is private information involving an ongoing investigation that we cannot comment on at this time. JMO

 

[arkansasmimi]

This event is free admission and sponsored by Lucky U Clothing Boutique. Area businesses are donating food. Sponsors from CG, Chad Tucker Chiropractor, Advocare, and Yoga will be there for demonstrations. Any proceeds goes to a fund set up for MB's girls.

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Thank you.
Respectfully, the bbm part is incorrect.

"Please come join us for this free event on May 20th! I will be donating a portion of my sales, May 9-19, to the Bevers girls fund set up at Citizens bank".It was posted may 13th. Its a portion of sales in the Boutique thru today. Then the Event is tomorrow for 2 hours. (12-2pm)

 

[Bootsctr]

**One of the first campers IS NOT the poi. I know of this person, and they're not even on the phone/list SW.

Thank you. I have moved away from the any of Missy's campers being involved. I think the perp never entered the parking lot. I think s/he stayed well north of the entrance to the church and left out of the north side of the building from the door (kitchen) that was damaged. This is why s/he is never caught on camera again after murdering Missy. The vehicle was probably within 10 to 15 minutes of the church JMO.

 

[Andromeda82]

There are .48 bits of video missing between putting the crowbar away and Swatperp tucking something away in vest (instead of crossing arms.) I don't know if that would be 48 seconds.. not sure how fast/slow the video timing measures.

So there is missing footage. What are they cutting out? Cell phone use? But why?

 

[al66pine]

"Originally Posted by verbonica Yes, it is something to be considered, but as I said, the covers are usually quite difficult to remove (some require special tools) and there would be most likely be evidence that it had been recently removed."

City utility workers and firemen ALWAYS HAVE THOSE TOOLS......

Is above discussing access tools for water mains & aux. pipes? If so, yes, agreeing city utility employees & FD employees would routinely carry, at least on truck.

But septic tank access tools? Not so apparent (to me) why those folks would need to access. Anyone know? Thx in adv.

ETA: Just read posts about grease traps and no special tools being needed to access those. Another place to ditch the SWAT gear. Good thinking.

 

[liltexans]

Ok so the MPD said they weren't involved in the incident last night and they didn't know anything about it? I find that very hard to believe. Maybe it was another one of the agencies assisting with the case but the MPD would be told if that were the case... Right? One mysterious black SUV ok but TEN come on.... They should just say no comment or this is private information involving an ongoing investigation that we cannot comment on at this time. JMO

Yes, that comment from MPD on their FB page is odd. If it wasn't their agency, then whose agency or agencies was it?

 

[rodee34]

All the video hasn't been released to the public. What we are seeing has been edited, since the footage skips ahead in several occasions.

 

[dfw1]

RBBM I am a little confused, if the perp left the scene before MB arrived, she would be alive.

Correct, I didn't think that one through too well did I. The point I was trying to make was it sounds like camper 1 arrived after MB. The only way for them to be murder is if swatperp didn't commit the murder which is not going to be the case unless they escaped on foot to vehicle parked off property then drove to church.

 

[SteveS]

Thank you. I have moved away from the any of Missy's campers being involved. I think the perp never entered the parking lot. I think s/he stayed well north of the entrance to the church and left out of the north side of the building from the door (kitchen) that was damaged. This is why s/he is never caught on camera again after murdering Missy. The vehicle was probably within 10 to 15 minutes of the church JMO.

So that has the perp slogging through the rain and mud in a swat outfit, walking 10-15 minutes to get back to a car that must have been sitting on a shoulder of the highway (because there's nowhere else to have left the car except somewhere down the highway), visible to anyone who drove by during that 10-15 minute rainy muddy hike. Meanwhile, police may be arriving any minute and come looking for anyone in the vicinity, as the perp is a person oddly strolling in the rain in the middle of the night on the shoulder or edge of a dark highway in swat gear.

Respectfully, I just don't see it. I think they had to have left by vehicle, from the church, at some point.

 

[coachhurricane]

Originally Posted by TXMcMom
One more thing, I was talking to some of the campers in my group that have been members for many months. Very few of them knew the trainers arrived as early as they do. I had no idea until I asked the trainer. I was kind of surprised they had to be there so early. If killer knew the class started at 5, I can't help but think they knew they had a small window of time to kill due to early arrivers. If she arrived at 4:18 (just realized that's the same as the date she was killed), that was a small window of time to kill her before early arrival campers.



Thanks for the excellent insight. I figured something like this all along - that her attacker knew the schedule down to the minute. I've never taken CG classes, but I did attend dog training classes at nearby schools, parks, churches. The instructor always arrived early on site to set out obstacles, etc. Even early arrivals would usually sit in their cars or gather in the parking lot and stay out of our instructor's hair. Partly because we had our dogs with us, but also maybe because of manners. No one wants to be seen as that person(maybe you know the one I mean) who arrives to a class or event early and offers to "help", but is usually just getting in the way or wanting to chat. I'd be curious how many others here feel the same way I do: 5 minutes early is on time, while 20 minutes or more and you look overeager, or maybe even creepy - so you just wait in your car.​

I wasn't sure how to quote both of the above post's but here is my question. I am a trainer and the above parts of a CG contract are exactly why I never became an instructor for them as I think it is crazy and unnecessary! I have my own camp and get there about 5 min. before class starts, there isn't a need for being any earlier unless I am measuring someone. Would the family have recourse against CG if no-one in the family is involved against CG for this liability on her life?

 

[arkansasmimi]

1 Perp had time to leave before 1st camper arrived. It would have been close, but possible given the time line we have.
2 Perp may have anticipated having scads of time, and planned accordingly, that as it turned out he didn't have. He had no reason to expect one camper would arrive 25 minutes early, in the dark and rain to an exercise class.
3 And we are certainly assuming perp left, of course. But there's always the tiny chance he was the 1st camper who "arrived" at 4:35 and waited in his car, or a "later-arriving" camper (having waited unseen in the far-side parking lot, and then under the cover of dark and rain driving over to where everyone else was to mix in with the arriving group before or as LE arrived).

:yeahthat: Could have driven around and either left or if a camper just parked in parking lot after the originals went in.. FD didn't arrive until 5:07 and LEO 5:10 still very dark and raining (not sure on how bad rain at that time) So JMHO Suspect had from time MB entered until LEO arrived at 5:10 am.. Depending how many cars were sent initally and so forth. Thats why I dont understand the whole only had few minutes ... It was dark lol I dont think people are stopping to think about that part. And how poorly lit some of that area is.

 

[imcurious2]

So there is missing footage. What are they cutting out? Cell phone use? But why?

I think what they cut out was telling information that would've been a giveaway and given the perp a chance to get away - far, far away...possibly even Mexico - before the police could get to them.

IMO

BTW, police don't give all the info out...they put out little bread crumbs and see who leaves bigger bread crumbs in interrogations.

Hoping they can break out the RED RUM soon!

 

[imcurious2]

:yeahthat: Could have driven around and either left or if a camper just parked in parking lot after the originals went in.. FD didn't arrive until 5:07 and LEO 5:10 still very dark and raining (not sure on how bad rain at that time) So JMHO Suspect had from time MB entered until LEO arrived at 5:10 am.. Depending how many cars were sent initally and so forth. Thats why I dont understand the whole only had few minutes ... It was dark lol View attachment 94849 I dont think people are stopping to think about that part. And how poorly lit some of that area is.

Perp could've waited until FD and PD arrived and made their escape while everyone was trying to figure out what was going on. Usually, PD has to secure the scene first before FD can go inside...maybe the escape happened then...everyone would've been distracted.

JMO