TX - Terri 'Missy' Bevers,45, murdered in church/person in SWAT gear,18 Apr 2016 #31

[zoeneli]

Johnson just said point blank in the People interview that they do NOT have a specific suspect. I guess some can say LE is committing subterfuge even when they're stating that it isn't. I take what he said at face value.


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I go back and forth on this one. I tend to want to take them at face value when they do make statements like what you noted, but it is hard for me to match 'not having a specific suspect in mind' with their comment that the case isn't stalled. If you don't even have a specific suspect in mind after several months, no physical image of the perp, likely no dna, how are you not stalled? If you don't think it is any of your initial POI, you are moving to random murder. If you are moving to random murder and have no physical evidence, I would think you are pretty stalled. Unless they are saying they are still working some sort of physical evidence?? Maybe awaiting some sort of DNA evidence??

 

[Cannonball3804]

I go back and forth on this one. I tend to want to take them at face value when they do make statements like what you noted, but it is hard for me to match 'not having a specific suspect in mind' with their comment that the case isn't stalled. If you don't even have a specific suspect in mind after several months, no physical image of the perp, likely no dna, how are you not stalled? If you don't think it is any of your initial POI, you are moving to random murder. If you are moving to random murder and have no physical evidence, I would think you are pretty stalled. Unless they are saying they are still working some sort of physical evidence?? Maybe awaiting some sort of DNA evidence??

I think they really ARE stalled. That's just a tough thing for LE to say out loud. And if they do admit it, then it becomes difficult to justify all the stuff they've refused to disclose, saying that they have plenty of help, they'll ask the public for help if they need it, etc.

I think they ran with the theory that it was someone close to MB, and once they exhausted that angle, the trail to the real killer(s) had gotten mighty cold.

Still very intrigued by the Wal-Mart carjackers and that silver car. Maybe one of these days some of our talented sleuthers can apply their skills to that. Unfortunately I believe those people are out of towners and it was a random act.


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[TeaTime]

LE said they do not need the public's help. Hello. They NEVER say this when they have no suspect.

 

[cfreyja23]

If a hit is off the table it might be another type of stranger stalker crime. Someone obsessed with her or randomly picked her.

This is personally what I lean toward. I have been moved a little from that position by others who believe it may have been a well-planned hit orchestrated by someone else, but I've always thought primarily that she was stalked or pursued by someone (I still believe SP is a male) who either attended her classes or someone with whom she had a "flirtation" or affair. I don't mean to disparage her in any way in what I'm about to write. One of the scenarios I haven't seen mentioned here IIRC is the possibility that she was having an affair with someone who was married, and that person knew she was about to tell someone or file for divorce and the affair would be made public. This has been a motive before in other murders.

 

[WannaBDetective]

Yep....I've always thought it's a male too. I can't get my mind to go towards a female perp no matter how hard I try.

Demo of the door and tools are male-ish. Some masculine movements. Certainly overtaking the victim (or daring to take her on in a potential fight to the death) are all male-ish.

Some rather femine or weaker movements are female-ish. The "eyes" picture looks more female. The "dancer" explanation for the unusual foot movements, posture and stances leans female. As well as LE size range.

I believe we will find a more androgenis person sitting at the witness stand.

 

[DeDee]

If I were driving my friend who had just found out his wife was murdered, I'd go that fast too! With or without a police escort.

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I recall when Natalee Holloway was missing in Aruba at the end of the high school graduation trip in 2005. Her mother, Beth, was with her sister at the family's lake house, in Hot Springs, AR when she received the call that her daughter was missing on the island. In Beth's attempt to reach her home in Mountain Brook, AL, she was traveling at a high rate of speed when she was stopped on the Interstate by the TN Highway Patrol in Memphis. Beth explained to the HPO that her daughter was missing in Aruba. The HPO served her as an official escort, with lights flashing on his patrol vehicle, all the way to the AL state line or for about 140 miles.

[TX] Maximum Speed Limit

The law sets the maximum at 70 mph, but allows the Texas Transportation Commission to establish a maximum speed limit of 75 mph (80 mph or 85 mph if the highway is designed to accommodate that speed) on the highway system if that speed is determined to be safe and reasonable after a traffic or engineering study. A maximum speed limit of 80 mph within 10 counties on Interstate 10 and Interstate 20 is also permitted.
http://www.txdot.gov/government/enforcement/speed-limits/setting.html

Driving through Houston last year, I asked God to take the wheel. Those folks were driving 90mph +. I had to do my part and we got out of Houston safely: however, it was a bit nerve wracking.

One stretch in TX you can legally drive as fast as 85mph as it is the "fastest highway" in the US. It's the $6.17 [1-way] toll road between San Antonio and Austin. [BB did not go that way.]

Eighty-five miles an hour may be legal but is it safe? Jonathan Adkins, deputy executive director with the Governor's Highway Safety Association says he wouldn't want to be in an accident going 85. "Whenever we see a posted speed limit, we think we can go above it, we think we can go 5 or 10 mph above it and a lot of cases we can't, so the reality is you're talking about the flow of traffic being 90, 95, even a little bit more, and so if you're in a crash, you're just not going to survive, even if you wear a seatbelt."
http://abcnews.go.com/US/speeding-texas-85-mph-highway-opens/story?id=17549839

I suppose it is possible that one can speed up to rates of 90 or 95 mph without being spotted by a trooper during an eight hour drive but is it probable?

Speed limit is strictly enforced at 70mph in LA. Also, I thought if one was caught driving 25 miles above the posted legal speed limit that it was an automatic trip to jail with charges of reckless driving. Not that it matters since BB was obviously not pulled over for speeding during his ride back to Midlo.

 

[dredre]

Not telling anyone what to post or not to post, but I'm just going to make an observation. Make of it what you will.

Have you noticed that the discussion right now is almost exclusively centered on BB? Despite LE just reiterating that the family are not suspects, and even going so far as to say, "that's not double speak" ?

It's an interesting dynamic. The overwhelming number of posters in this forum believe that MB was targeted, and judging by all the negative posts about family, I have to believe that most in the "targeted" camp feel that family was somehow involved.

This, despite the fact that LE goes out of their way to make clear that family is all but eliminated, and in fact LE is now coming back around full circle to "untargeted hit".

Regardless of what camp you're in - why do you think the "targeted by family" camp is so popular?


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I feel that way because someone I know of that was close to MB told me that is what they thought. From the beginning.


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[Cannonball3804]

I feel that way because someone I know of that was close to MB told me that is what they thought. From the beginning.


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But that's where you get into the game of Telephone, the grapevine or whatever you want to call it. Local gossip. Locals usually have strong opinions about a case, but they often turn out to be wrong.

Police chased tips from locals for 3 months and they haven't led anywhere. JMHO


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[Deleted member 102539]

It's blurrier on this freeze frame than in a previous photo I've seen, but I believe when this doorway was discussed in a previous thread there was posted a slightly clearer picture - because I remember commenting on the circular, patterned area rug there. The vestibule has a concrete flooring, similar to the hallways (except the main north-south one, which is tiled). I believe you can see in a photo on the church website that the main (west) vestibule is also concrete.

This photo is of the SW door with the door propped open - and there is an arc of an area rug at the propped open door (nothing photoshopped out), which is seen better in previous photos. We've speculated that this door was left open for the area rug to dry that night due to all the foot traffic that rainy Sunday morning and evening.

One thing I noticed looking at this photo again, though, is that the wheelchair is in that far corner of the vestibule right by the exterior door closest to where her truck was parked. If the killer hid behind it in the dark that morning, and if he had a gun, then as she came through that open door to get the unloaded equipment, he could've stood up and shot her quite easily and at close range, putting those puncture wounds in her head and chest. And, possibly some missed shots could've broken the glass of the interior vestibule fixed glass flanking the propped open door. That could explain the broken glass found as well as the ATF dog brought back to search after the autopsy. (Possibly looking for spent casings or bullets that missed.)

Just a thought (to explain that gun serial number mentioned as reason for keeping a warrant sealed).

No. 1: This white/light thing looks like the "tool" the SP was carrying around (was by someone meant to be "Frapan"). What is it, is it relevant?
No. 2: This looks like someone who is standing there with his back to us, wearing light long sleeves (left arm down) and a dark stiff "vest" on his back, legs I don't see . Sorry, I don't understand what maybe reflected in this corner exactly.

 

[dredre]

But that's where you get into the game of Telephone, the grapevine or whatever you want to call it. Local gossip. Locals usually have strong opinions about a case, but they often turn out to be wrong.

Police chased tips from locals for 3 months and they haven't led anywhere. JMHO


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Totally agree, that's why I've kept a somewhat open mind. Would not be shocked if it was a different scenario. Also, that alone is not the only reason I'm leaning towards that scenario. MOO only but if someone asks why that would be towards the top of the list. "Usually", not always but usually where there's smoke there's fire. Have you followed the Dan Markel case? Speculated on for about 3 years and finally, just recently, unsurprising arrests made. Well the perps were not known but theory was always too speculation. Similar to this case.


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[liz b.]

I think they really ARE stalled. That's just a tough thing for LE to say out loud. And if they do admit it, then it becomes difficult to justify all the stuff they've refused to disclose, saying that they have plenty of help, they'll ask the public for help if they need it, etc.

I think they ran with the theory that it was someone close to MB, and once they exhausted that angle, the trail to the real killer(s) had gotten mighty cold.

Still very intrigued by the Wal-Mart carjackers and that silver car. Maybe one of these days some of our talented sleuthers can apply their skills to that. Unfortunately I believe those people are out of towners and it was a random act.


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Have never thought anyone in MB's family or circle of colleagues was involved in her murder.jmo Very possible the killer(s) were not connected to her at all. jmo The Walmart car jacking is very interesting. jmo Also very interesting to me is LE's description of SP as being "light skinned". jmo

 

[Cannonball3804]

Have never thought anyone in MB's family or circle of colleagues was involved in her murder.jmo Very possible the killer(s) were not connected to her at all. jmo The Walmart car jacking is very interesting. jmo Also very interesting to me is LE's description of SP as being "light skinned". jmo

Yes. If perp would go to the trouble of concealing identity with the outfit, it's also possible he would conceal his race with make-up. With the video quality not being very good, I'm not sure we would be able to tell the difference.


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[Dushi]

Asked if he could say whether the suspect on the video is a man or a woman, Johnson says, "Man, I'd love to be able to answer that question." But because the person went to great lengths to hide his or her identity, it's still difficult to know for sure, he says.

http://www.people.com/article/missy-bevers-investigation-slow-texas-fitness-allegedly

Doesn't sound like there will be an arrest anytime soon
JMO

 

[x_files]

I couldn't decide if I actually wanted to reply, but here you go.

1) Demeanor - You are absolutely right that we cannot comment on the demeanor of an unsub. However, we can comment of the demeanor of any person listed in the SW, and from what I have seen, the in-laws collective demeanor is not consistent with a grieving family. First, you have RB gloating over and laughing about dog blood four days after his son's wife was brutally murdered. Then, you have KS talking about MB's affairs, and MT is no better. There have been numerous comments about how this affects MT, KS, RB, BB and so forth, but there is very little talk of MB and what her life meant. You also have numerous examples of peculiar comments that don't really seem to add up. When taken as a whole, the behavior is suspicious.

2) Motive - You have a husband and wife suffering from "martial and financial" problems. That is motive enough IMO. There are several other possible motives as well, but those cannot be mentioned here due to TOS. You can sleuth those on your own. On top of that, we don't know that life insurance wasn't a factor. We don't know that a divorce wasn't in the works. As for the potential current affair that you reference, we don't know all of the details. We know that MB was currently exchanging familiar and flirtatious emails with at least one member of the opposite sex. There are also other people listed in the SWs who are likely there for questionable relationships with both MB and BB. However, we don't know the exact nature of those relationships so speculation is the best we can do.

3) Means - You are absolutely right about other people having the means so kill MB, but that doesn't change the fact that the people close to Missy also had the means! Also, I believe that this was a plot that involved two or more people. Since so many people close to MB (not just BB) had motive to kill her, it's not a stretch to think that they would plot together to make it happen. I am not sure why you jumped to the conclusion that this means that Missy "could have only [emphasis added by me] been killed by someone she knew." In fact, I don't think that at all. However, with the limited information that we have (combined with the information we are allowed to share on WS), that is my top theory at the moment. Of course, if more compelling data is brought to my attention, I will happily consider it. Having said that, my list of potential plotters is not limited to the people listed in the SWs; it's just that the TOS prevent me from mentioning the others.

With the facts that I have at my disposal, a targeted hit by someone close to MB is far more likely and logical than a perp dressed in tactical gear who killed because he/she wanted a sandwich at a church in the middle of the night. JMO

If you are asking why SP didn't go to the SW corner immediately, it's because he knew he had time. SP was prepared and knew MB would not be arriving for several minutes. SP only went to the SW corner close to when MB arrived. That way he could ambush her. According to LE, that's exactly what happened. I don't have the exact quote, but it was something to the effect of MB was seen walking toward the location of SP.

Additionally, if I look at what LE has said and done, nothing that they have said contradicts any of my thoughts. I have previously outlined my thoughts on what LE said in the May 20 presser. I will add that when LE said that Missy's family is not at the focus of the investigation, I think that they meant exactly that - Missy's family. You don't have to agree with my interpretation, and I admit that I could be wrong. However, until I am presented with a more compelling theory, this is where I stand.

Having said all of that, I can't help but think of Gary Condit (the Chandra Levy case) as I investigate the MB case. Gary Condit had a suspicious demeanor, a strong motive, and definitive means to kill CL, but he was eventually exonerated. I don't think that it is forgone conclusion that the family is involved, but with the information that I have right now, it's the most logical theory for the time being IMO.

ETA - I am not answering any follow up questions to this post. I am moving on.

great catch. I agree Missy's family (her family, mom, dad, brother, sister and daughters are not the focus) and hoped online sleuthers would move on so they can focus on their POI's.

 

[Camerabug]

Johnson just said point blank in the People interview that they do NOT have a specific suspect. I guess some can say LE is committing subterfuge even when they're stating that it isn't. I take what he said at face value.


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He did not, however, state that they had no POI..once a suspect is found, an arrest will be imminent. Just my opinion.

 

[x_files]

Demo of the door and tools are male-ish. Some masculine movements. Certainly overtaking the victim (or daring to take her on in a potential fight to the death) are all male-ish.

Some rather femine or weaker movements are female-ish. The "eyes" picture looks more female. The "dancer" explanation for the unusual foot movements, posture and stances leans female. As well as LE size range.

I believe we will find a more androgenis person sitting at the witness stand.

Why are weaker movements viewed as female to you? Just curious.
I've met some extremely muscular, military women in my life and I wouldn't say they were weak at all. Truckers, LE, body builder friends all female all tough as nails.

 

[x_files]

I recall when Natalee Holloway was missing in Aruba at the end of the high school graduation trip in 2005. Her mother, Beth, was with her sister at the family's lake house, in Hot Springs, AR when she received the call that her daughter was missing on the island. In Beth's attempt to reach her home in Mountain Brook, AL, she was traveling at a high rate of speed when she was stopped on the Interstate by the TN Highway Patrol in Memphis. Beth explained to the HPO that her daughter was missing in Aruba. The HPO served her as an official escort, with lights flashing on his patrol vehicle, all the way to the AL state line or for about 140 miles.



Driving through Houston last year, I asked God to take the wheel. Those folks were driving 90mph +. I had to do my part and we got out of Houston safely: however, it was a bit nerve wracking.

One stretch in TX you can legally drive as fast as 85mph as it is the "fastest highway" in the US. It's the $6.17 [1-way] toll road between San Antonio and Austin. [BB did not go that way.]



I suppose it is possible that one can speed up to rates of 90 or 95 mph without being spotted by a trooper during an eight hour drive but is it probable?

Speed limit is strictly enforced at 70mph in LA. Also, I thought if one was caught driving 25 miles above the posted legal speed limit that it was an automatic trip to jail with charges of reckless driving. Not that it matters since BB was obviously not pulled over for speeding during his ride back to Midlo.

If he thought Missy's died in a car accident would his friend speed dangerously back and risk another accident?
I wouldn't.

 

[Treelights]

not sure I understand untargeted and hit.
Hit is a murder for hire and would be a specific target correct? Not untargeted. Unless they mean someone dediced to target anyone that entered the church as a thrill kill or gang initiation.

Unless it could mean Missy was the Hit, and the Target was meant for someone close to her, therefore she was the "Untargeted Hit"? Meaning, this would hurt whoever was close to her, so she was taken out. Perhaps it was a message of some sort? I don't know...

IMOO.

 

[x_files]

Totally agree, that's why I've kept a somewhat open mind. Would not be shocked if it was a different scenario. Also, that alone is not the only reason I'm leaning towards that scenario. MOO only but if someone asks why that would be towards the top of the list. "Usually", not always but usually where there's smoke there's fire. Have you followed the Dan Markel case? Speculated on for about 3 years and finally, just recently, unsurprising arrests made. Well the perps were not known but theory was always too speculation. Similar to this case.


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How close were your theories? Did it pan out? That's an intriguing case.

 

[x_files]

Unless it could mean Missy was the Hit, and the Target was meant for someone close to her, therefore she was the "Untargeted Hit"? Meaning, this would hurt whoever was close to her, so she was taken out. Perhaps it was a message of some sort? I don't know...

IMOO.

gotcha! hmm..interesting twist.