TX - Terri 'Missy' Bevers,45, murdered in church/person in SWAT gear,18 Apr 2016 #34

[Cannonball3804]

The probable cause affidavit from the Facebook warrants was not included in their release.

Scout, I went back and looked at the SW for MB's iPhone and iPad. I now believe that the probable cause affidavit for that SW is probably going to be the same probable cause affidavit for the FB SWs. Both are referred to as Exhibit A. And when you read through the one for the iPhone and iPad, it seems that it would be suitable to copy and paste verbatim to the other one. I could be wrong, but these guys are not going to re-invent the wheel unless they absolutely have to.

 

[Scout]

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The wall space beside the golf cart shares the interior wall with Room 15 the men's room and a women's Room 16. An alcove is created that is flush with the remaining main hallway. There is a deep recessed space created by the alcove that shelters the men's restroom and the women's restroom view from passersby.


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It is OMHO that it is within this area, the alcove leading to restrooms Rooms 15 and 16, that the SP hid while lying in wait for Missy. After learning much about Missy in the past few months, or since April 18, to be more precise, she had something or was carrying some type of equipment, in her arms while walking into the Church. The SP could easily be armed and ready.
I stand in the camp that Missy's Campers could see MB when they arrived at the doors to the interior. I will also stand in the camp that MB was moved into the alcove area for the final assault of the other horrendous puncture wounds.

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What makes you say the restrooms are room 15 and 16?

 

[ardenmost]

Yikes, I have fallen behind in this case and now am trying to play catch up from the last few days. I have been trying to find the source of information posted here myself (so as not to backtrack & cause any bother), but I'm coming up empty on sourcing this. Can you help a girl out, please?

I'm very interested in this piece of info. Thanks in advance! Much appreciated

I am a poster on this. I was asking Cannonball how he knew the other 30 minutes of police video (where they said: "It's just more of the SP meandering the church and breaking glass, etc." )


Cannonball said it was video prior to murder. His response was: early press conferences.

I did not get clarity from the response.


IDK.....??????

 

[Camerabug]

I have a theory on their financial worries fwiw. Working for a small family business I wonder if BB even had health insurance. My guess is Missy had it when she was a teacher. Perhaps like so many young people they didn't have a lot of it, in any event. By the time she had her hysterectomy, I'm thinking they accrued some serious medical bills. Add to that 3 daughters who need things for sports, clothes to be like the other kids, movie money-that sort of thing and the budget can get tight. Add to that a tanking economy, <modsnip> and Missy's new business. BB then finds he is having medical issues himself and needs a colonoscopy (which isn't cheap) and now more medical bills..

 

[Scout]

Scout, I went back and looked at the SW for MB's iPhone and iPad. I now believe that the probable cause affidavit for that SW is probably going to be the same probable cause affidavit for the FB SWs. Both are referred to as Exhibit A. And when you read through the one for the iPhone and iPad, it seems that it would be suitable to copy and paste verbatim to the other one. I could be wrong, but these guys are not going to re-invent the wheel unless they absolutely have to.

Ok. Thanks for looking into it. That had me puzzled, especially after you posted the statute that said it should gave been released by now.

 

[Deleted member 172065]

It's interesting that all of that gear together is only about $100, give or take. I had thought it would be much more. Excellent info ...and makes it clear that the cost was easily affordable for essentially anyone.

Not where I live. Lol

 

[Cannonball3804]

Ok. Thanks for looking into it. That had me puzzled, especially after you posted the statute that said it should gave been released by now.

I think they probably just overlooked it. I submitted an Open Records Request to MPD for it and will let you know what happens.


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[Scout]

I think they probably just overlooked it. I submitted an Open Records Request to MPD for it and will let you know what happens.


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Great! Thanks for your industriousness.

 

[Deleted member 172065]

Well we were told that SP first appears on video at about 3:50. How long did it take going west in the North hall before being out of the range of that camera? No more than 10 seconds. By the time we see SP again it is at least 7 minutes later - as we have the time stamped video showing SP in the main hall. What did they do in that time? And they were right next to a kitchen door when the first sequence ended.

Keep in mind also that at the very beginning of the opening sequence what SP sees to their left looks very close to this (the angle would be slightly different and would see the entire door).

That goes to the sanctuary/auditorium. Why even go up the hallway at all when a camera free way awaits just 3 steps away? These are important aspects of the crime.

The reason why the doors are a riddle is that they were smashed in the first place. It is an element of the crime that needs an explanation. Unlike any cameras that should be located at the northwest end of the building we know the cameras in the northeast end were working. Thought there is a way around them - in both directions, i.e. entry and exit via the NE doors.

The pictures show that a person the size of SP would have no problem fitting through any knocked out panes in the glass.

And as I showed, the question remains why wrestle the door hardware off if you could just venture over 8 feet or so and smash the window that would take you into the K1 area of the church. A person the size of SP would have no trouble fitting through those windows because the panes are 30 inches wide - each of them.

So, both the kitchen door and the northeast doors require explanations as they are elements of the same crime. In understanding the elements of the crime perhaps other things about SP's movements can be discerned.

Now, I happen to believe that SP had a tactical breach kit that made removing the door hardware not as difficult as it appeared. I also happen to think that the kitchen door was all part of the staging - in military terms it would be a feint e.g. make your adversary believe your action is your intent when the truth is something else. The key is you have to really make it believable.

You have a different theory. So do others. Fine with me.

Maybe the kitchen is the entry and exit point. But I haven't seen convincing evidence that it is, and it is my belief that neither has MPD.

To go through glass might cut him or his clothes?

 

[Cannonball3804]

I am a poster on this. I was asking Cannonball how he knew the other 30 minutes of police video (where they said: "It's just more of the SP meandering the church and breaking glass, etc." )


Cannonball said it was video prior to murder. His response was: early press conferences.

I did not get clarity from the response.


IDK.....??????

I have to say, I'm confused and don't really understand the questions and interest about this. I thought it was well-established. MPD released a little over 2 minutes of perp video. But the perp was in the building from 3:50 til around 4:20 before the attack. And here is an exchange from the first press conference:

"Female reporter (5:30): In the video, is he doing anything?
Chief Smith: In the video, you can see him walking through the hallways. And that’s really the only thing we see him doing, is walking through various hallways... we can’t really tell that he’s doing anything in particular in any one of the videos, to my knowledge."

And as GA_Peach said in another post, the SWs state that once MB moves off camera in the direction of the perp, neither of them are seen again on the video. So there is no additional video once MB approaches the perp location (although one official stated in a press conference that there is video of perp going down a hallway, but this conflicts with the SW affidavit).

There is unreleased video, but it is from prior to the murder, and shows the perp moving in a manner consistent with what he is seen doing in the released video.

 

[Deleted member 172065]

You have contributed immensely to the discussion. But I still interpret things differently from you. You see calculated; I see bumbling. You see tactical breach kit; I see a mismatched handful of tools; you see premeditated murder; I see manslaughter following a surprise encounter.

It's really interesting how two people can analyze crime scene data and come up with theories that are 180 degrees from one another. And either one could be right.


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I don't know. The bumbling ones seem to get caught pretty quick. Saw in the news tonight where missing Toledo university student body was found and an arrest made within a week.

 

[Deleted member 172065]

If SP uses the double doors near Room 8 in order to quickly exit the Church then, fled down the flight of stairs to the Parking Lot, this is what SP saw when SP was on the landing; only it was pre-dawn, thus, dark, but that is okay b/c SP knew the way. The Prayer Garden is very near this area.

North Prong Creek

Creekside Church of Christ Landing Overlooking the Parking Lot and trees along NPC

That church seems set up weird.

 

[Cannonball3804]

I don't know. The bumbling ones seem to get caught pretty quick. Saw in the news tonight where missing Toledo university student body was found and an arrest made within a week.

Toledo isn't Midlothian, TX, though. I think crimes are being committed in Midlothian by outsiders, who know that the MPD is understaffed and not very experienced, and they're counting on that.

Refer to the Easter Sunday carjacking at the Wal-Mart. The lady who was carjacked said that she thought by the way they acted that this was their first carjacking. Over 3 months later, no arrests and no recovered vehicle either despite all of the surveillance video of the two perps and the drop-off vehicle.

 

[GeeEm]

Early press conferences.


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I have to say, I'm confused and don't really understand the questions and interest about this. I thought it was well-established. MPD released a little over 2 minutes of perp video. But the perp was in the building from 3:50 til around 4:20 before the attack. And here is an exchange from the first press conference:

"Female reporter (5:30): In the video, is he doing anything?
Chief Smith: In the video, you can see him walking through the hallways. And that’s really the only thing we see him doing, is walking through various hallways... we can’t really tell that he’s doing anything in particular in any one of the videos, to my knowledge."

And as GA_Peach said in another post, the SWs state that once MB moves off camera in the direction of the perp, neither of them are seen again on the video. So there is no additional video once MB approaches the perp location (although one official stated in a press conference that there is video of perp going down a hallway, but this conflicts with the SW affidavit).

There is unreleased video, but it is from prior to the murder, and shows the perp moving in a manner consistent with what he is seen doing in the released video.

I've been trying to get a response from your post and you never would respond.

In the original version you said 30 minutes and it was asked how you were aware of this knowledge and you replied news conference.

In return I've asked for a link and you have not provided one.

If you like I will bump up my original post, again

jmo &#128046;

 

[11frogs]

Just for the record (in case you are theorizing a legal distinction), there is no way that a perp would be tried on "manslaughter" for this crime, nor does it somehow fit that legal definition in any way. In pretty much any reasonable scenario that can be proposed based on what we have seen (including your "surprise encounter" thinking), this fits with and would almost certainly be tried as capital murder under Texas law.

in the SW the word capital is marked out before the word murder. Can someone explain this please? Thanks in advance.

sorry I just found out the answer
https://www.versustexas.com/criminal/murder-versus-capital-murder/

now wondering if LE has now amended to capital murder since they believe targeted hit.

 

[Deleted member 172065]

I have a theory on their financial worries fwiw. Working for a small family business I wonder if BB even had health insurance. My guess is Missy had it when she was a teacher. Perhaps like so many young people they didn't have a lot of it, in any event. By the time she had her hysterectomy, I'm thinking they accrued some serious medical bills. Add to that 3 daughters who need things for sports, clothes to be like the other kids, movie money-that sort of thing and the budget can get tight. Add to that a tanking economy, <modsnip> and Missy's new business. BB then finds he is having medical issues himself and needs a colonoscopy (which isn't cheap) and now more medical bills..

I'd guess 'yes' on health insurance. I would think the family business would make sure they had money for that. Jmo

 

[Cannonball3804]

I've been trying to get a response from your post and you never would respond.

In the original version you said 30 minutes and it was asked how you were aware of this knowledge and you replied news conference.

In return I've asked for a link and you have not provided one.

If you like I will bump up my original post, again

jmo &#62510;

I didn't respond because I wasn't the one who said the "30 minutes". Here is the thread of conversation:

Ardenmost: Remember, we are missing 30 minutes of video from MPD.
Razz: They said that SP was not seen again after MB was killed.
Ardenmost: I believe even BB has said he has seen additional video.
Cannonball: Yeah, additional video from BEFORE the murder, not after.

 

[mcluver23]

Toledo isn't Midlothian, TX, though. I think crimes are being committed in Midlothian by outsiders, who know that the MPD is understaffed and not very experienced, and they're counting on that.

Refer to the Easter Sunday carjacking at the Wal-Mart. The lady who was carjacked said that she thought by the way they acted that this was their first carjacking. Over 3 months later, no arrests and no recovered vehicle either despite all of the surveillance video of the two perps and the drop-off vehicle.

http://m.midlothianmirror.com/news/...years-for-providing-drugs-to-teenage-daughter

Midlothian has some terrible things happening.

 

[Razz]

While it may look convoluted on the map the entire distance starting with step #2 to the end is less than 60 feet in total. Could take less than a minute easily. I do believe the SP had quite a bit of knowledge of the cameras. I can't explain any way they could have navigated the church the way we see in the video, and have murdered Missy off camera, and left the church if they didn't have that knowledge. The alternative is luck and a lot of it at many points from 3:50am until shortly after Missy was murdered. While I do believe in luck, I see this as too much luck for any one person at any one time.

Well, according to your map, there are bathrooms west of the kitchen. (right before entering the NW hallway). Maybe SP stopped in there to check out if his/her face was covered enough
or if the helmet was situated properly. Maybe SP needed to use the facilities. That easily could have taken 5 minutes.

Maybe there was a lot to look at in the NW main hallway. SP may have stopped to look out the West entrance doors at the traffic or the rain.

We never saw SP open that one door before he/she got to the door where he/she "attempted" to use tools to open the door next to the bullentin board.



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[Deleted member 172065]

Toledo isn't Midlothian, TX, though. I think crimes are being committed in Midlothian by outsiders, who know that the MPD is understaffed and not very experienced, and they're counting on that.

Refer to the Easter Sunday carjacking at the Wal-Mart. The lady who was carjacked said that she thought by the way they acted that this was their first carjacking. Over 3 months later, no arrests and no recovered vehicle either despite all of the surveillance video of the two perps and the drop-off vehicle.

Im not Toledo, though. I'm in a town more than double Midlothian but the few murders we get seem to get caught pretty quick . Some crazy, druggy or bf usually. Now the robberies, even on tape, don't seem to get solved as much.