TX - Terri 'Missy' Bevers,45, murdered in church/person in SWAT gear,18 Apr 2016 #34

[Razz]

Is MT on the available search warrants (ie. Cell phone)?

no

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[arkansasmimi]

Quote Originally Posted by arkansasmimi View Post
While I dont see clearly any wet spots, I do feel it first time down the hallway. I not sure Suspect didnt see the door propped open and maybe thinking MB propped it open. BUT with that thought have to wonder about not seeing her truck parked out side... but again I do think first time down that hall, at least that morning. JMHO

Which door?

The SW entrance door from the Covered Awning. from the 227 min MPD video ** ETA Suspect did not prop open in any video we have seen

Possible as anything, that Suspect saw the door propped open and thought MB propped it open to bring in her things and was looking for her. I think the busting of windows in the church were possibly doors that locked and thus busted and reach in to open or to look inside the room better. Otherwise makes no sense. I just at this time do not think was doing it to stage a burglary.

Just thinking out loud, possible as anything else at this point of so much unknown. If targeted the Suspect would know some of the routine of MB or one would think so. JMHO

 

[Razz]

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Sorry, I should have explained. Police extracted the target #s from Missy's phone and her IPad.
There may have not been anything that piqued MPD'S interest re MT at the time. However, after reviewing the target #s and the data (dates from March 1 to April 24) who knows whose name came up. And I'll bet there were some good ones.

As much as I hate to say it, I feel MPD needs to keep their lips sealed until an arrest is made. I think they've already said too much.


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[arkansasmimi]

It has been mentioned here that this was very well planned and that SP seemed to be familiar with CoC.
What if SP or accomplice was a visitor and took video without anyone's knowledge of layout of halls. SP unfamiliar with Dutch door may have been closed when video was taken. Maybe visited church a few weeks or up to a month out.

Watching ID channel - geez all SP had to do was watch this channel and SP would know to be covered head to toe. No cell phone - make it look like a burglary- be out of town - multiple people involved no problem all have something to lose - until that one persons conscious gets them or one of the perps confides in someone.

RBBM, very much could have happened. Also looking on CCoC fb as we did in the very beginning. lots more photos. People, with good reason, have untagged CCoC from their photos. And anything MB posted on prior, she was open for the world to see.

Personally after spending so much time looking at stuff, I think I could go visit and not have much problem finding my way around. NOT that I would but just a thought lol. I also would not doubt that at ea service there is someone watching especially folks not regulars.

There are usually visitor forms that churches have visitors complete. I would be more surprised than not that ea of those phone numbers were not looked at past and present just to see if hits the tower ping numbers. And anyone showing up on any of the outside video past and current. JMHO

 

[gliving]

http://on.nbcdfw.com/HzL0IeY

I had not seen this tv video before today. Interesting reaction from KS......I hope I am "allowed" to post it. Worth a look.....

Not sure which reaction you were referring to. I noticed her sobbing without tears.

 

[arkansasmimi]

Quote Originally Posted by arkansasmimi View Post
There is another kitchen photo with a door beside the ice machine, light is on and it appears to have a rack like would put pantry type items < JMHO this is a small room next to the room 6 not part of room 6 with doors at each side (hallway on one end and the door exit. I thinking maybe the frig and freezer are in this room . And that the room behind the stove and so forth that that is sink room and that it may extend down to the roll up door at that end of the room and room 8. Would make sense, put dirty dishes through that opening.

Is this the photo you're referring to?

View attachment 99145

No that's not the photo I was referring to...
Been so long since I studied photos, I may be getting myself confused. Neither these 2 or the one you posted are the one I am thinking about. But this one is most likely the one I was thinking pots on rack this is why I am thinking that room has a sink to do dishes.

Unsure what the appliance beside the ice maker is. Again I may be misremembering on a door seen behind this open door with a light on. If I come across it I will let you know, but for now I will put that thought on hold :sweep:

 

[arkansasmimi]

Was looking for something else and saw this ss that I had posted words CID Captain Spann said April 18.

If you look to the Suspects left you will see this area, the silver trash can is in front of the coffee area HOLY GROUNDS.

You can see how far the camera view is, so if MB was walking from the SW doors in the direction of arrow I placed, where would she be that the camera lost movement and turned off? In the view from the camera, IF the Suspect were hiding inside the alcove going into the Worship Center/beside the silver trash can, Suspect would possibly been able to be seen on the SW surveillance camera. My theory is still in that from that open room door, or little hallway or the Come as you are foyer area. of where MB was located. JMHO Just thinking out loud and about the possibility of seeing Suspect from that view of camera if there

 

[Scout]

The door to kitchen on left in your diagram, that door opens opposite than you have it.

Yes, I realized after posting I had two doors opening wrong. I've made correction to my diagram and will post asap.

 

[arkansasmimi]

Nice clear photos thank you DeDee. What is directly inside those doors (the NW entrance your top photo) If I open the doors and step in to my left should be North hallway where the Kitchen is and rooms 6, 7 & 8. What is straight ahead on left prior to the Worship Center doors on that side prior to the Come as you are wall plaques/mirror.

Also what is to the immediate Right as I am walking in?

I know I was going to move on but your photos intrigue me :blushing:

If the suspect were to park where you parked or even on the parking lot to the side or at rear, no way on earth that can be seen from the highway daylight or dark from the drive area turning in I mean. Possible if parked under a light in rear visible from Hwy looking across to the back of the church.

The church is placed oddly on the property and has caused many to be confused on the directions of the church placement that for sure, especially with the drive like it is in addition to the caddy corner placement of church. JMHO

 

[No it's not]

Jethro's amazing interior map of CCC:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...T-gear-18-Apr-2016-32&p=12692621#post12692621

From the NE Corner, traveling the N hall toward the W hall, the first door is 8, the Cafe'. The second door is also 8, the Cafe'. The next two doors are numbered 7, the Kitchen areas. In between 7 and 8 is an interior door entering and exiting between those two rooms.

[video=youtube;ePS8TJ6UAqY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePS8TJ6UAqY[/video]

The purple haze lighting, seen on the floor and edges near the walls, comes from the center interior light in the ceiling. It might be the motion sensor that is inserted into the overhead fluorescent lights in the N and the S hallways.

DeDee, thank you for posting all the great photographs of the church's interior and exterior and the additional information on the light.

Do you think the motion detectors are located so and so often/ or possibly in all center interior ceiling lights in the N and S hallways? In other words, the motion detectors are not located next to the cams, but are sourcing from the ceiling lights? Then the blind-spots may actually be located in the overlap or actually lack thereof.

When you say 'center', are there any additional lights to the right and left off the center line of the hallway? Or do you mean the center of the individual light fitting?Not sure, which ones the 'center' lights are, but looking at the video - marker 0.15 to 1.11 N hallway - there is a spacing of app 1.3 floor "tiles" or diagonal "large pattern" between the first 2 ceiling lights from viewer perspective, as opposed to app.6+ tile pattern until the next third ceiling light. However, the light is not centered like in the S hallway, for example.

Thanks!

-Nin

 

[Scout]

ETA: I realize that freezer I placed by the door is actually two appliances, an ice machine and another appliance. Just did it that way for ease and because of limits to my app.

 

[Scout]

The SW entrance door from the Covered Awning. View attachment 99165 from the 227 min MPD video ** ETA Suspect did not prop open in any video we have seen

Possible as anything, that Suspect saw the door propped open and thought MB propped it open to bring in her things and was looking for her. I think the busting of windows in the church were possibly doors that locked and thus busted and reach in to open or to look inside the room better. Otherwise makes no sense. I just at this time do not think was doing it to stage a burglary.

Just thinking out loud, possible as anything else at this point of so much unknown. If targeted the Suspect would know some of the routine of MB or one would think so. JMHO

Okay. I see what you mean. Doing it to stage a burglary if he knew he was on camera makes no sense.

 

[kkdj]

The SW entrance door from the Covered Awning. View attachment 99165 from the 227 min MPD video ** ETA Suspect did not prop open in any video we have seen

Possible as anything, that Suspect saw the door propped open and thought MB propped it open to bring in her things and was looking for her. I think the busting of windows in the church were possibly doors that locked and thus busted and reach in to open or to look inside the room better. Otherwise makes no sense. I just at this time do not think was doing it to stage a burglary.

Just thinking out loud, possible as anything else at this point of so much unknown. If targeted the Suspect would know some of the routine of MB or one would think so. JMHO

I have wondered if SP knocked out glass and opened interior doors to convince MB to go to a certain place in the building because it was being burglarized. After all, he/she was dressed in trusted uniform and would at first blush be trusted! She complied into his/her corner where the ambush/attack was simple.

 

[LongIslandDweller]

I was googling and found three obituaries for this family between Dec and Feb. Missy was the fourth in 5 months. So tragic and bizarre.

 

[arkansasmimi]

Quote Originally Posted by arkansasmimi View Post
The SW entrance door from the Covered Awning. Click image for larger version.

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ID: 99165 from the 227 min MPD video ** ETA Suspect did not prop open in any video we have seen

Possible as anything, that Suspect saw the door propped open and thought MB propped it open to bring in her things and was looking for her. I think the busting of windows in the church were possibly doors that locked and thus busted and reach in to open or to look inside the room better. Otherwise makes no sense. I just at this time do not think was doing it to stage a burglary.

Just thinking out loud, possible as anything else at this point of so much unknown. If targeted the Suspect would know some of the routine of MB or one would think so. JMHO

I have wondered if SP knocked out glass and opened interior doors to convince MB to go to a certain place in the building because it was being burglarized. After all, he/she was dressed in trusted uniform and would at first blush be trusted! She complied into his/her corner where the ambush/attack was simple.

Possible, but in that instance I would think that MPD would be able to realize that (and very possible that on some of the video not released) MPD has not stated if they have on video any with MB and Suspect having contact. Only that assault not captured on video. Also Suspect would only have had to do that in the area where MB was coming in. We do not see any broken glass in the portions that have been released of the Dutch door South hallway and the Main West hallway.

 

[arkansasmimi]

Does anyone know if trials in Ellis County Texas or anywhere in Texas for that matter, would be live feed? If not we are gonna be at a big loss.

 

[amateur sleuth]

A brewhaha? And I missed it?

brouhaha...

 

[SteveS]

MPD has not stated if they have on video any with MB and Suspect having contact. Only that assault not captured on video.

LE clearly indicated they do not. Under oath. Quite definitive.

 

[11frogs]

I read on the MPD Page a press release that stated times
MB seen entering parking lot 4:16am
MB seen walking into church at 4:20am
(Does not say walking towards last known area of SP)
1st camper arriving at 4:35am in church parking lot
(This person had nothing to do with murder)

if we actually consider time of encounter - to getting out of church - getting gear off to be able to drive vehicle
4:20am MB - walking into church FACT per LE
4:21-4:25 - possibly murder occurred
4:26-4:27 - ran out of church to vehicle
(LE states did not see SP again and thinks
Exited thru kitchen)
4:28-4:33 - took off helmet and vest
4:34 - drive out of parking lot
4:35 - 1st camper arrives

not saying this couldn't be done...but this is calling iit beyond super close and for no video from any business picking up a car
going by between 4:34 and 4:35 . Thoughts ?


side note: I have not seen anyone post this (if so please sorry)
Wondering if any other CG campers showed up for camp and were in parking lot before police arrived. Did LE get names?
(I am sure they did.). Did someone not show up that was always there?

 

[zoeneli]

I read on the MPD Page a press release that stated times
MB seen entering parking lot 4:16am
MB seen walking into church at 4:20am
(Does not say walking towards last known area of SP)
1st camper arriving at 4:35am in church parking lot
(This person had nothing to do with murder)

if we actually consider time of encounter - to getting out of church - getting gear off to be able to drive vehicle
4:20am MB - walking into church FACT per LE
4:21-4:25 - possibly murder occurred
4:26-4:27 - ran out of church to vehicle
(LE states did not see SP again and thinks
Exited thru kitchen)
4:28-4:33 - took off helmet and vest
4:34 - drive out of parking lot
4:35 - 1st camper arrives

not saying this couldn't be done...but this is calling iit beyond super close and for no video from any business picking up a car
going by between 4:34 and 4:35 . Thoughts ?

It is definitely close, but I still believe SP was there for MB and knew the available window. I picture it more like:

4:20 MB arrives
4:21 SP gives initial blow.
4:22 Sp delivers head\chest woulds
4:23 heads to kitchen
4:25 back in car
4:26 removes helmet (i don't think they necessarily needed to remove anything else before driving out of parking lot)
4:27 gone from parking lot.
4:35 first camper arrives