TX - Terri 'Missy' Bevers,45, murdered in church/person in SWAT gear,18 Apr 2016- # 7

[arkansasmimi]

Quote Originally Posted by Bill Carson View Post
Also, if the perp removed the panic bar exit device from the door, it would mean that the victim would not be able to escape through that door that goes from the kitchen to the outside. Yikes.

So how would the perp escape if camper 1 showed up 15 minutes after missy.

Respectfully, Bill Carson is saying THE METAL door bar was removed to open that particular door. First camper arrived 15 min after MB but that not when first camper went into building. Suspect had from 420 until whatever few min the campers went in and called 911 at 500. Lots of time for Suspect to get out of building and off property before anyone knew something awful happened. Could very well have driven out while the campers were in the building none the wiser... it was still a few about 7 min before first responder got there.
Yes it a short period of time but there is lots of time to work with at least 30 min

 

[IQuestion]

In all honesty. Hubby is posting bible scriptures on his Facebook now.

So he may actually not be involved. Jmo.

Okay DEX You've got my total attention now! Previously BB said he didn't like his experience with social media.....but is now posting on social media?? What is the gist of the "bible scriptures" that makes you think that?
(Personally I'm still stuck on the issue of someone stating they were afraid for their wife's safety, but having no problem posting they were outside a restaurant at 9:30PM in another state on "bucket list" fishing trip? Maybe I just see it a little differently than others, but I caution my adult step-child not to post trips on social media, because I worry about spouse being alone with baby....)
BTW...You guys are sleuthing the heck out of every possibility...great job.

 

[Breck80]

Yes, but remember this is Texas were everyone has a gun. Going after Missy at her home may have been a very bad idea. JMO

Funny you mention this bc I thought the same thing. Missy's street is very spaced out. Each home has acreage and it's a rural area, yet quaint. Originally I thought, why would he/she not attack Missy in her driveway? The reason is bc everyone has guns around here. It's so quiet out in these parts that when a dog barks differently from a distance, we know when things are out of sort. Even spaced out, neighbors would know if they heard her screams or when things seemed amiss.

A couple summers ago on my street, a van dropped two young guys off to sell magazines. Everyone along the road came out on the porch bc we just knew we'd never seen that van before. They just seemed out of place. I am not joking when I say police arrived within minutes, questioned them and told them not to come back. My point is that I've lived in many states, many cities and this area is the most hyper-vigilant that I've ever seen. Very educated, family-oriented, hard workers and neighbors watch out for neighbors. I'm pretty sure the perp knew this, too.

But even deeper -- I truly believe the maniac wanted to "perform" on camera, enjoyed the thrill of outsmarting everyone and committed this hideous crime out of hate & rage. And of all places, did it in a place of worship. It just baffles me.

 

[Bill Carson]

I thought I read that this camp was where the weights would be increased, like a Phase 2 of the program and.....

I get the impression that these camps are attended over and over again. Is that not so? Because I've seen the customers' complaints that they signed up and were billed every month for six months or a year even though they dropped out. So I presume that there is something to attend continually. Someone correct me if that is not the case. So in other words, I presume someone might attend every Monday, Wednesday and Friday (or whatever days) . . . forever.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[verbonica]

In all honesty. Hubby is posting bible scriptures on his Facebook now.

So he may actually not be involved. Jmo.

I'm not heavily into suspecting his involvement, but posting quotes from The Bible on his Facebook means nothing, IMO.

 

[texasgirl2]

RSBM
I also had a very random thought about BB and his demeanor. I would imagine how shocked and angry a spouse would be if they found out about an affair during the murder investigation of their spouse. All of the information that comes from the stuff we all keep private or delete is sadly now exposed for Missy to help catch her killer. I'm NOT saying this is the case but it is possible he learned something that hurt his feelings and could explain his perceived "odd/detached/carefree" behavior. IMO IMO!!!

BBM: I wondered about this too. It made me question what the status of their relationship was before he left for the trip. Something is making him nervous about showing his feelings.

It reminds me of a personal event in my life. I lost someone very close to me but we hadn't been getting along very well right before they died. It seemed like everyone was watching me to see how I would react. I grieved privately because I didn't think I was allowed to say what they meant to me, how much I loved them, etc. when everyone knew that we hadn't been getting along. The way BB is acting reminds me of someone who is grieving privately and not sure what to say right now. It could be like you said....that he found out something that has hurt him or it could be that he feels guilty because they had a fight or something. Or, maybe this has to do with whatever their status was as a couple. Honestly, he just seems like he is heartbroken but doesn't know if he's allowed to be.

MOO.

Something else that occurred to me.... Maybe it is a teenager that thought his parent was having an affair and by killing Missy his parents would not get divorced? Not saying the affair was happening but maybe the child thought it was because they were so close? Grasping at straws here but guess it could happen? Especially since LE was saying for the person to tell someone what they did. Made it sound like they thought it was a younger person IMO

That's definitely something I had never thought of!! Hmmmmmm.....

I am back on the male band wagon, but i reserve my right to change my mind several more times.

I am too......today. Tomorrow may be a whole 'nother story though!

The more I read, the less I know. But since I am cynical and not terribly trusting, I am wary of some of the posters here.

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Ditto. :angel2:

 

[Oregonmama]

I am changing my perp profile, before I thought there was two but I'm leaning that there is one.....my motive has not changed though.....someone wanted Missy but she graciously ignored it.....

I think it was a man, who has some sort of medical condition, bi polar , and who recently got rejected by some thing that meant a lot to him and he was familiar with Missy's gym.......

Bi polar can also bring up sleep deprivation issues which could explain the "walk" that was observed in the video we saw.....

MOO

 

[Murrayforlife]

I get the impression that these camps are attended over and over again. Is that not so? Because I've seen the customers' complaints that they signed up and were billed every month for six months or a year even though they dropped out. So I presume that there is something to attend continually. Someone correct me if that is not the case. So in other words, I presume someone might attend every Monday, Wednesday and Friday (or whatever days) . . . forever.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

Bill. Where I live you sign up for 4 week gigs. 40 bucks. They have like 20-25 sessions a week at different times. You can go once, or all 25 a week.

 

[arkansasmimi]

Originally Posted by DexterMorgan View Post
So how would the perp escape if camper 1 showed up 15 minutes after missy.

That window.

Possible but Captain Spann said that didnt appear to have went through either of those broken with glass. That would be easy to tell depending on where the glass broken went ... if broken from outside.. glass goes in... broken from inside would go outside. That window is in the kitchen, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNLtwTK2hq8&feature=youtu.be

 

[Bill Carson]

True but that is also on the other side of building and down hallways and the Kitchen appears to be one room that is locked tight to the outside hallways (understandable) Isnt that kind of door, able to "push" from inside and just go out, only locked from outside (unless has been unlocked. (as in they unlock them on days the Church would be open ...

In the Press Conf. they said that Suspect went thru kitchen and just broke the other door glass. Suspect could have went out any door leaving if you can just push that device to go out.Correct? The Captain said they think suspect went back out way came in .. through the metal door. so not sure. *No evidence that Suspect went through any other door although glass was broken (at end of presser) but doesnt mean at that didnt go out another door. This was the same afternoon. Scene was cleared at 12pm per Captain Spann Suspect breached other doors within the building (like the rooms came out of #13 and went into the Sanctuary/Auditorium for sure)

My thinking now, since she was in Main Hallway (per Press conf) she was somewhere between bulletin board area back to the COME AS YOU ARE sign in main entrance. There is an area past the Bulletin board looks like little hall ? maybe in that area. Chief/Captain said murder was not caught on video. Motion did not cause the camera to activate so it wasn't recorded. So is that saying she was in an area that would have had been caught on video if the camera picked up the motion to activate camera? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNLtwTK2hq8&feature=youtu.be Start about 730 mark...... 915 no camera outside video , has one not functioning at time. Speaks of MB ...1147 mark know time entered building... MB walking down main hallway vicinity of where found her No evidence that Suspect went through any other door although glass was broken
JMHO

For whatever reason, I have alway suspected that MB was killed in the kitchen or that part of the building (the far side from the Dutch door hallway). (Perhaps the perp did destroy the cameras in that hallway before she arrived, and that is why we don't see what happened over there.) The reason I say this is that first day after the murder, a crew was at the building repairing the window next to the single door from the outside into the kitchen. It looked as though the screen to that window had been pushed out and the window broken, and I wondered if that window wasn't broken by MB trying to escape from the killer.

I may have that all wrong---the screen and window could have been broken by the perp trying to get in, or it could have been broken in the struggle. But that window was too far off the ground (ISTM) for the perp to think he could break in to the building and lift him/herself up and into the window.

If the perp needed to escape, he has the tools and knows which doors will work, but MB wouldn't have that knowledge.

Anyway, it is a creepy theory, and I may be all wrong, but seeing that screen pushed out and the crew placing the plywood over the window made me think someone wanted out, not in.

All of this is MOO. Gut feeling.

 

[BigCityAccountant]

The crime scene was described as grisly.

the more I think about shirtgate the more inclined I am to think it means nothing. Which then leads to the puzzling Q of WHY LE released the search warrant?

its not something they had to do, but they did it.

bear in mind theres children in this mix who will be suffering terribly at any gossip or innuendo, LE released the SW anyway.

There has to be a motive for them making it public. Has to be.

It was calculated on LE's part. LE wanted to let the perp know they had DNA, without saying HEY WE HAVE DNA. It also gave LE free DNA of MIL and FIL without having to go get a search warrant.

 

[Bill Carson]

Bill. Where I live you sign up for 4 week gigs. 40 bucks. They have like 20-25 sessions a week at different times. You can go once, or all 25 a week.

Thanks for the information. Interesting business model. I know posters have claimed that CG instructors have been known to make 6-figures, but I don't know how that is possible or if possible how it could last. Low cost but also low barriers to entry. But I digress...

 

[DexterMorgan]

OK, let's say you were out of town and your spouse was murdered. You had nothing to do with this crime. What would you do? Press conferences? Lawyer up? No Comment? I think about this and I can say that I truly don't know. Everybody always says to get legal advise, but if you have nothing to hide, why?

If I had some extramarital affair going for whatever purposes; I would state that first, but only to LE. And if I believed that my wife had extramarital affairs for whatever purpose; I would state that secondly. But only to LE

Along with the reason on why me or she may have cheated.

But a person that feels down about having certain problems will not blame their spouse for venturing out without knowing why they ventured out. Jmo

But the totality of lies can catch up. Even if you know that they only lied to protect your manhood or womanhood. Jmo

 

[LongIslandDweller]

I thought I read that this camp was where the weights would be increased, like a Phase 2 of the program and in the event of rain, the group would work out under the church's awning rather than in the parking lot.. If so, we need to look at people who took the early morning class prior to this one as they would know that the church allowed Missy and maybe even her group to enter the facilities, unaccompanied by a church official. This perp knew Missy would enter the building. This perp saw the routine before, first hand. Maybe this person could barely handle the physicality of the last camp and could not possibly handle this next phase as his/her progress did not go as anticipated. Perhaps the perp expected miracles and put in little effort.

This perp may be one who was once physically fit but has experienced an injury or has aged and the expected change in physique didn't happen fast enough to continue to phase 2, is disappointed and feels cheated, hopeless, betrayed? In other words, this person didn't become a "Gladiator" but rather was reminded with each workout of their limitations/shortcomings. This person didn't turn into a Missy, who had transformed herself with her devotion to physical fitness and a healthy lifestyle.

With some people, encouragement is akin to a promise and is often mistaken for deeper emotional connections. Needy people can not just disconnect from the one who has encouraged them to go beyond their present limitations, even if they put in no effort. They desire the positive attention.

Are we looking for a CG wash out? I think so.

Sorry for the confusion - I thought that maybe Missy and CG could only hold camp at that church because of her connection with a member - not that a church official had to be present to let them in at 5am. BillCarson clarified that church allows non-members to hold events at that church.

I did read that it was time for some campers to up their weights - so I think the camps run in 4 week increments and that a new camp was starting on April 18th, which would include some new campers along with the old campers who were increasing their weights.

Your original post has me wondering who was sure of her routine. Someone close to her? A stalker? Someone at the church who has access to cameras?

 

[arkansasmimi]

Quote Originally Posted by liltexans View Post
I believe they did have past break ins. Sorry, I don't have a link. I think a poster has mentioned this.

I re watched the first presser today, the police have no reports of breakins from the church.

At the 1120 mark... Captain Spann says no alarm calls out there in the last *advertiser censored* months. Reporter then asks about alarm and Captain goes on to say they show to have an alarm permit that is a city ordinance for them to have one if have an alarm. So I am unclear if the "no alarm calls" is reports of burglary/damage or "alarm calls" kinda unclear https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNLtwTK2hq8&feature=youtu.be

 

[Bill Carson]

Sorry for the confusion - I thought that maybe Missy and CG could only hold camp at that church because of her connection with a member - not that a church official had to be present to let them in at 5am. BillCarson clarified that church allows non-members to hold events at that church.

bbm

Not trying to argue, but I don't want to leave you with the impression that I know the policy of this congregation. I don't. Each CoC is autonomous, so they would make their own decision. I just doubt they have an issue with outsiders' use of the building.

I did read that it was time for some campers to up their weights - so I think the camps run in 4 week increments and that a new camp was starting on April 18th, which would include some new campers along with the old campers who were increasing their weights.

Your original post has me wondering who was sure of her routine. Someone close to her? A stalker? Someone at the church who has access to cameras?

bbm

I got the exact same impression. While it would not seem unusual for new campers to show up, I would expect that there were lots of "regulars" there, too.

 

[Bill Carson]

I am going to hit the sack. I will say that I hope the investigators got some good rest over the weekend, and that they can hit the case hard in the morning with fresh eyes and renewed energy. I also hope they didn't eat too much popcorn while reading our threads, or bust a gut laughing at our crazy theories.

Good night everyone.

fftobed:

 

[DexterMorgan]

Okay DEX You've got my total attention now! Previously BB said he didn't like his experience with social media.....but is now posting on social media?? What is the gist of the "bible scriptures" that makes you think that?
(Personally I'm still stuck on the issue of someone stating they were afraid for their wife's safety, but having no problem posting they were outside a restaurant at 9:30PM in another state on "bucket list" fishing trip? Maybe I just see it a little differently than others, but I caution my adult step-child not to post trips on social media, because I worry about spouse being alone with baby....)
BTW...You guys are sleuthing the heck out of every possibility...great job.

Lol. Bb loved his social media.


The guy that is of a good age posted everything.

He even had a post that some people may not ever have big pain that he was feeling during his injury.

But it seems like he was talking to his wife that said walk it off.

So maybe bb felt differently about how missy told him how to deal with the pain.

Plus maybe he thought that she was cheating at the same time. Jmo

 

[arkansasmimi]

I wonder who has access to the church videos - security, IT?

...FBI... Texas Rangers

 

[arkansasmimi]

I wonder who has access to the church videos - security, IT?

...FBI... Texas Rangers
I know Kerry Sanders with the TODAY Show reported that the FBI was going over a mountain of video from the Outdoor Store, hoping to see if someone had been in that store with that walk/gait and face uncovered. JMHO