TX - Terri 'Missy' Bevers,45, murdered in church/person in SWAT gear,18 Apr 2016- # 8

[Nationals]

At first I thought the handling of the tools meant a female who wasn't used to using the tools. Now I see the opposite - someone who is very experienced handlings tools and thus is casual about movements. The perp knew the effort required to do his/her work and only did that minimal amount of effort in hitting with the tool. To me, indicates experience handling tools and knowing what the tool is good for.

JMOpinon, likely to change again in this case.

what's he using all of these tools for??? Didn't he just need one to break in and kill her with?

 

[BigCityAccountant]

I agree with you about what these postings are in reference to...and I am also on the fence, but leaning slightly toward the postings being for show.

I agree too. I think he is angry about what people are posting--knows he cannot defend himself via social media--is frustrated that he can't--so he is trying to find solace in Gods word. Since he can't post anything to defend himself, he is posting how he feels thru scripture.

 

[Bill Carson]

OH My is something on the floor here? Glass maybe? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePS8TJ6UAqY&feature=youtu.be And there is a Wall on the very corner of camera view... LOOK near the MPD Patches/Logo

Trying to be openminded now thinking the Captain may have called the side halls Main? So back to my question of this
IS there a hallway to the right of the doors MB came through? a short one?

There seems to be an indention prior to the 2 doors/bulletin board from this view.

You guys might have figured this out already, but here are my answers:

First of all, in your first picture, I think this is the hall on the kitchen side of the building, facing toward the large hallway.

To the right of the doors MB came through would be the hall with the Dutch doors. I don't believe there is a short hallway there.

The final picture you are showing shows the big main hall, with the foyer, where the indented quadruple doors are---that's where we find the picture with the squirrel doing the photo bomb.

Hope that helps.

 

[Inthedetails]

After a few days of following along here and letting everything soak in, I'm heavily leaning toward BB is not involved nor any of his family. For those kids sake, I really hope this is the case. I think BB's shock and confusion (which is what I believe we were seeing in front of the media for the first week) is starting to wear off and now it's slowly turning into anger toward the suspect(s). Seems like the natural process of grieving. I really think he loved his wife, but his health combined with her busy schedule caused them to maybe grow apart. Happens in many, many marriages. But I think they truly loved and respected each other. They were both dealing with it the best they could, especially for the good of the kids. I don't sense any animosity between the two them, but just maybe apathy. If there was some infidelity on his or her part, I think it was the other party (or parties) involved that was set out for revenge. Not BB or MB. If it's not that, I think it's most likely some type of financial jealousy or business association gone really bad. Now my suspicion meter is starting to inch toward two perps being involved, a male/female team. And I think they may have been working together that night. This is all just purely my opinion. Before I found this site, I was trying to follow along on local news sites and it became unbearable. I'm so impressed how mature, respectful, and well thought out the commentary is here. Keep up the awesome work everyone! I think LE has this one and hopefully this community can return to normal very, very soon.

BBM

A male-female team is still on the table for me, too. I happen to think whoever did this is someone close to the family, someone known. And, it might be two someones.

The sleuthing with the limited amount of information we have is GREAT. Way to go, WSers. Just when I think we've talked everything to exhaustion, someone comes up with new insights with the same material. I'm impressed. (Still, I wish we had some new info!)

jmo, subject to change again

 

[arkansasmimi]

Good point. I have a question?? When the perp walks all the way into the one room..what is keeping the motion sensor camera going?

it stops after an amount of time. That why I am wondering on those 2 if it was because went in room /came out or if it is spliced.

 

[robthomaseyes]

what's he using all of these tools for??? Didn't he just need one to break in and kill her with?

that's what makes ME suspect it's a male. Again, without trying to sound sexist, men are more likely to get all "into" tools. A woman will go to Home Depot and pick out a hammer and get the hell out. A man will go to Home Depot and spend hours scrutinizing every one of theml, wielding them, measuring them against each other, feeling their weight, etc. And a man is more likely to say, no, honey, that's a regular hammer, that's a rock hammer, that's a drywall hammer, and yes, I need them all, while the wife will say "why? This hammer here can hit all of those things", lol. And yes, I realize there are women who love their tools and have a (slightly) different tool for every surface or purpose under the sun, but in my opinion, it's nowhere near as common.

To me, this is a typical "boys with toys" type perp.

 

[BigCityAccountant]

. He posts new ones daily. We're referring to one posted about an hour ago. In that one he directly addresses someone who "is jealous and will kill to get what they want."

In the shirt presser, he was asked a question I can't remember which one. He gets a sparkle in his eye--I took it as LE told him they were looking at someone--but he couldn't say who--but he thought there was a strong possibility and possibly an arrest coming. Now he maybe let down--but I think the sparkle indicates he is hopeful the perp is caught. That's all IMO.

To me that scripture indicates he believes it is someone who was jealous of her or their relationship or what their family had (special bond)--that the person didn't have.

 

[Inthedetails]

what's he using all of these tools for??? Didn't he just need one to break in and kill her with?

Because s/he can. It's someone who either owns tools and brought them AND/OR is proud of being someone resourceful who can make a tool out of anything. JMO

 

[Inthedetails]

that's what makes ME suspect it's a male. Again, without trying to sound sexist, men are more likely to get all "into" tools. A woman will go to Home Depot and pick out a hammer and get the hell out. A man will go to Home Depot and spend hours scrutinizing every one of theml, wielding them, measuring them against each other, feeling their weight, etc. And a man is more likely to say, no, honey, that's a regular hammer, that's a rock hammer, that's a drywall hammer, and yes, I need them all, while the wife will say "why? This hammer here can hit all of those things", lol. And yes, I realize there are women who love their tools and have a (slightly) different tool for every surface or purpose under the sun, but in my opinion, it's nowhere near as common.

To me, this is a typical "boys with toys" type perp.

Yep, it's looking that way to me too. A big boy with toys.

jmo

 

[Snow Flower]

While I believe that RB was in Oceanside at the time I find this kind-of interesting.

 

[Nationals]

Unless perp had stun gun and dropped her then beat her That's been strong in my mind since this happened. One way to be sure there wasn't a fight involved, stun gun or gun

. Still stun gun is risky. You still have to get close enough to victim to stun them. They could still overpower you or run. With limited time it seems way too risky.

 

[SpanishInquisition]

what's he using all of these tools for??? Didn't he just need one to break in and kill her with?

It depends on what the tools were. It has been speculated on here that doors were rigged and windows broken to basically trap Missy, but we don't for a fact know the nature of the 'vandalism' done. Someone may have gone to a lot of trouble to be sure that they were successful in this, assuming it was a targeted killing (which LE themselves haven't officially confirmed).

 

[Nationals]

I at first thought that, too, but if you look closer at around :43, after the lame attempt to open the door, the overhead light dances across the helmet as he lifts his head. It seems to move from the visor area to the top of his head. This is why I have been convinced there is no helmet lamp; that we are just seeing the strong light reflected on the shiny surface.

so there is a plastic shield covering the face on helmet?

 

[lstiff]

I agree that this was after the murder. It appears (IMO) that the perp does a look out the hallway before exiting the room (this is prior to touching the wall walk) IMO

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePS8TJ6UAqY&feature=youtu.be

 

[texasgirl2]

You guys might have figured this out already, but here are my answers:

First of all, in your first picture, I think this is the hall on the kitchen side of the building, facing toward the large hallway.

To the right of the doors MB came through would be the hall with the Dutch doors. I don't believe there is a short hallway there.

The final picture you are showing shows the big main hall, with the foyer, where the indented quadruple doors are---that's where we find the picture with the squirrel doing the photo bomb.

Hope that helps.

Thank you Bill! I'm having a tough time understanding about the first photo though. I thought that first room was room 2 (that's what most thought that number was next to the door) and on arkansasmimi's floorplan, she has the room as 8 on the end of that hallway by the kitchen? I know Room 6 is next to the kitchen so I'm having a difficult time picturing how this is set up.

Mostly, I've been confused as to how these rooms were numbered around the building. Do you think it's possible that this picture was actually taken in the back hallway? I'm not sure we know what that hallway looks like unless that photo is from there?! I'm just trying to make sure that the floorplan matches up because this part of the footage and the very end of the footage have me stumped. I can't place where either of these scenes are in the building.

**Also, since I'm quoting you and you quoted arkansas & the photo won't be included--I'm attaching a copy of it below.

 

[Nationals]

There was a theory or two of someone being involved with (friends, sports or boyfriend) her daughter and maybe it was someone she didn't approve of or someone that was no longer a friend or someone that was beaten out by her daughter in a sport aka the "crazy cheerleader mom" type thing. It was just speculation. Another poster thought maybe it was the child of someone who MB was or was perceived to be having an affair with and they wanted to keep their parents together thus eliminating her. The conclusion was drawn from the police speaking gentle to the perp "talk to someone" (IMO) and possibly the "video game" appeal of it all. These were just ideas thrown around, nothing concrete obviously.

JMO

what video game appeal? What did cops say about a video game? And was it the cops who said speak to someone? I thought that was the BB's mother in her letter to perp saying that. Also, I doubt a 15 year old would be able to buy such an elaborate probably expensive getup off internet with no credit card and sneak out at 3 am with no car to bludgeon someone to death. Most just want to sleep in. This strikes me way more as an adult type crime. But who knows.

 

[dotr]

I think the perp is someone who is used to using both hands and has experience - either with hobbies or job - of using whatever hand best fits the task. People experienced with tools might be good at switching, for example. Sometimes you are at an angle or in a space where one hand is more efficient than the other, even if it's not the dominate hand. I think the perp is someone with that type of experience and habit, not necessarily a left-handed person.

JMOpinion fwiw.

ITA concerning someone accustomed to using both hands for work or whatever.
It is not that i necessarily think the perp is left-handed, but rather, pointing out that the perp already knew, which way to best open the door ie. no hesitation. imo.Suggesting familiarity with the venue.

 

[lstiff]

what video game appeal? What did cops say about a video game? And was it the cops who said speak to someone? I thought that was the BB's mother in her letter to perp saying that.

It was us who said it feels like a video game(er) as in someone dressed up in police gear in a dark empty building going room by room doing damage then killing their victim all on camera. The police never said anything about that. I will have to find the link where the police were perceived by us to be speaking "gently" to the perp to speak to someone. Anyone got a link?

ETA: IMO and that I agree this is a "grown up" crime but lots of ideas have been thrown around in 8 threads of posts. Nothing is concrete so it's really all just ideas and some of them are bizarre and some of them make sense. Depends on the person's POV I suppose.

 

[robthomaseyes]

so there is a plastic shield covering the face on helmet?

No, I don't think so.

 

[Bill Carson]

Thank you Bill! I'm having a tough time understanding about the first photo though. I thought that first room was room 2 (that's what most thought that number was next to the door) and on arkansasmimi's floorplan, she has the room as 8 on the end of that hallway by the kitchen? I know Room 6 is next to the kitchen so I'm having a difficult time picturing how this is set up.

Mostly, I've been confused as to how these rooms were numbered around the building. Do you think it's possible that this picture was actually taken in the back hallway? I'm not sure we know what that hallway looks like unless that photo is from there?! I'm just trying to make sure that the floorplan matches up because this part of the footage and the very end of the footage have me stumped. I can't place where either of these scenes are in the building.

**Also, since I'm quoting you and you quoted arkansas & the photo won't be included--I'm attaching a copy of it below.

Hmmmm...... ISTM that if the picture is showing the "back" hallway, then it must be facing toward the hallway with the Dutch doors (southeast?).

The reason it could not be the back hallway facing "northwest" is that we can't see the exterior doors which are at the very end of the hallway in the picture showing the Dutch doors.

We know it is not the main hallway (with the foyer), and we know it is not the hallway with the Dutch doors.

If it is the "back" hallway, then the room s/he is coming out of would be the area with the stage for the auditorium, right?

And if it is the hallway near the kitchen, and the perp is headed toward the main "foyer" hallway, then the room the perp comes out of would probably be the kitchen.

JMO