TX - Uvalde; Robb Elementary, 19 children and 3 adults killed, shooter dead, 24 MAY 2022

[PrairieWind]

I thought the same thing. How sad for those poor children.

 

[PrairieWind]

Why did the resource officer allow him entry to the building? He could easily have shot him, especially if the school doors were locked.

An hour wait before the perpetrator was disabled.

Our schools have one RO, with the HS having 2. Our ROs are not highly trained in taticial skills, basic LE course. Their primary duty is traffic safety, and I don't seen any of them firing, attempting to contain/restrain, and no way would the fire on a person. A little more responsibility that the school crossing guards I had in the 60s.

If we had a perpetrator or school shooter, the outcome would not be good. Moo

We protect so many, all Senators and Congressmen/women have armed Secret Service details. They sweep all building prior to entry and accompany them at ALL times.I've hosted many events for Senators and Congress Reps.

Why don't we protect our children?

Moo

The last report I read said police have determined that he was NOT confronted by a RO before entering.

As for you description of RO's in your area, that is NOT acceptable. Here, the RO's are all active duty officers with the City Police Department. They must have 5 years patrol experience and then can volunteer to be an RO. I had a friend that just retired. He was an RO in one of our middle schools. He loved kids and loved the job. But he had been a regular officer for many years first and in the Army (that was how I met him.) It can't be allowed to have old, slow, desk jockeys finish out their careers by filling an RO slot like happened at Parkland.

 

[Seattle1]

Brian Entin
@BrianEntin

Texas DPS says initial reports a school security officer shot at the suspect turned out not to be true.

11:54 AM · May 26, 2022

@BrianEntin

Parents and grandparents continue to drop flowers off at Robb Elementary. So many with the same heartbreaking story: when they heard about the shooting they were told to go to the civic center and wait for their little ones to be bussed over. But their kids never showed up.

8:55 AM · May 26, 2022·

@BrianEntin

One grandpa said when he realized no one from his grandson's class was showing up at the civic center -- he knew.

8:55 AM · May 26, 2022

@BrianEntin

His grandson enjoyed little league and was learning to play golf.

8:57 AM · May 26, 2022

 

[JoHyphen]

After 9/11, we as a nation made major changes to prevent such a tragedy from happening again––we created a federal agency for airport security (TSA), we created security checkpoints, we installed metal detectors and x-ray scanners, and we established secure airport terminals that only verified, ticketed passengers could access.

What have we done after Virginia Tech? After Sandy Hook? After Marjory Stoneman Douglas?

Despite hundreds of young people dying as the result of senseless violence, we haven't done anything to try and prevent such incidents from happening in the future, which is why they continue apace.

I am from Ontario Canada. In our province, every elementary school is locked down always. The only way in is through the front and that is only after you buzz the office. You are seen through a camera and then the door is buzzed open.

Actually since co-vid, no one is ever buzzed into the school. The only ones allowed in have fobs. No parents or delivery people allowed in the schools. I am thinking maybe it should stay that way.

Are elementary schools locked down in the US?

 

[Peppery]

There have been no mass shootings that I could find documented, in schools or academic institutions where teachers are armed.

My thinking is that even the warped minds that pursue the “school shooting” thing prefer unarmed victims and soft targets and therefore do not try to shoot up a school where they cannot be in control; they are not interested in a place where potential victims or their guardians can effectively fight back. The shooters typically want to die, but they want to die on their own terms, not shot to pieces by Mrs. Jones the ninth grade English teacher and Fred the Chief Custodian.

yes, this is one reason I think school personnel should be allowed to carry if they want. Would this guy have gone to this school if he knew some of the teachers were carrying? It might have affected his decision, might not. But we don’t seem to have mass shootings at places where we know people are armed. Police stations and courthouses stand out but there are others . And I don’t expect giving teachers the ability to arm themselves would’ve prevented this. But it might’ve saved a child. 5 children, 10 children, all of them, who knows. I have a concealed carry permit and I’m terrified of the thought of having to use my weapon on another human being. Often I don’t think I’m capable. But the one time I thought someone was breaking into my house you bet your *advertiser censored* I had zero fear of protecting my kids.

 

[Bravo]

I am from Ontario Canada. In our province, every elementary school is locked down always. The only way in is through the front and that is only after you buzz the office. You are seen through a camera and then the door is buzzed open.

Actually since co-vid, no one is ever buzzed into the school. The only ones allowed in have fobs. No parents or delivery people allowed in the schools. I am thinking maybe it should stay that way.

Are elementary schools locked down in the US?

Hello to you. Ontario Canada here too.

 

[JoHyphen]

I was wondering that as well. Was he able to simply walk in? Any security in the building?

I teach in a high school in Southern NJ, and visitors have to be buzzed in to enter the building. They are greeted by a security guard (former LE) who does have a weapon. First they are asked by intercom the reason for their visit and then buzzed in. They have to wait in the corridor until whatever business they have come for is verified. It does provide some level of comfort.

I live in Ontario Canada and our elementary schools have the same system. Since covid though, no one is allowed in that isn't a school board employee. Ever, Hoping it stays that way. Meetings are held outside or at a neutral location.

 

[Bravo]

I believe it was stated somewhere that the school had cameras. One would think we would have a much clearer timeline by now. It's just not a good look IMO. These poor Parents need answers.

 

[JoHyphen]

Children should not need to be in a quasi-prison to get an education. IMO, if our solution is turn a place of learning into a fortress, we aren't dealing with the real problem which is how to prevent mass shooters in the first place.

Maybe we wouldn't be dealing with the WHOLE problem, but staff and students would be alive.

 

[PrairieWind]

I am from Ontario Canada. In our province, every elementary school is locked down always. The only way in is through the front and that is only after you buzz the office. You are seen through a camera and then the door is buzzed open.

Actually since co-vid, no one is ever buzzed into the school. The only ones allowed in have fobs. No parents or delivery people allowed in the schools. I am thinking maybe it should stay that way.

Are elementary schools locked down in the US?

In my state that is pretty much how all schools are. At the beginning of school, there are several doors open for drop off but there are ROs there. Once class starts those doors close, the only way in is to show up at the front, hit a buzzer, there is a camera, the staff verifies you and you are buzzed in. Parents/visitors can come in for certain things but they are escorted. There is one school here where my wife used to work, I often saw side doors or gym doors propped open. That just simply can't happen. Teachers/staff have FOBs so they can come in side doors. And this all has nothing to do with Covid. Covid restrictions here have pretty much all been lifted for some time.

 

[Bravo]

To make matters worse, one of the husbands of the teachers has just died from a heart attack and family are saying its due to grief, they leave behind 4 children. Its shocking and soooo sad

I thought I had no heartbreak or tears left until I read this. My gawd how much more heartache......

 

[Seattle1]

Epic failure number one in this case is found in the following article, failure to secure entry doors. Our principal would be LIVID if someone left a side or rear door open, or propped open, during the school day. BIG. NO. NO.

"managed to slip in through a back door" ^^rsbm

In the earliest reports of this tragedy, we learned that there had been an awards assembly at the school where it had only been 30 minutes since parents attending left the school. Many of the photos seen of the kids holding up their honor roll and perfect attendance certificates were taken less than an hour before they were killed.

IMO, It's plausible the door was left unlocked due to the event. I also see a situation where it probably would have been locked by lunchtime during a routine security check.

Lastly, let's not forget this is a very small town -- a community of only16,000 where securing the doors by noon would have been acceptable versus condemnation.

 

[KimiMariaS]

I thought I had no heartbreak or tears left until I read this. My gawd how much more heartache......

Ugh me too!! I'm such a deep thinker and an empath and things like this get to me so much

 

[zecats]

I am from Ontario Canada. In our province, every elementary school is locked down always. The only way in is through the front and that is only after you buzz the office. You are seen through a camera and then the door is buzzed open.

Actually since co-vid, no one is ever buzzed into the school. The only ones allowed in have fobs. No parents or delivery people allowed in the schools. I am thinking maybe it should stay that way.

Are elementary schools locked down in the US?

Yes, I can vouch that in NJ they are. I teach at a high school in South Jersey, but all the schools in our district are locked and have RO's. Our RO is former LE and has a weapon.

My grandson is in preschool in North Jersey, and it's like Fort Knox to pick him up from school. All kinds of id and buzzers, etc to enter his building.

 

[IzzyBlanche]

Sounds like those unarmed teachers were a lot braver than the armed first responders.

'I was hiding hard' | Fourth grader who survived Uvalde school shooting gives heartbreaking account of gunman's classroom assault

"The cop said: 'Yell if you need help!' And one of the persons in my class said 'help.' The guy overheard and he came in and shot her," the boy said.

www.kens5.com

 

[Kaley Smith]

I am from Ontario Canada. In our province, every elementary school is locked down always. The only way in is through the front and that is only after you buzz the office. You are seen through a camera and then the door is buzzed open.

Actually since co-vid, no one is ever buzzed into the school. The only ones allowed in have fobs. No parents or delivery people allowed in the schools. I am thinking maybe it should stay that way.

Are elementary schools locked down in the US?

I live in Manitoba, Canada and even in the 1970s when there were no school shootings, people who were not students or staff had to be cleared at the office of my rural school. They couldn't just waltz in. We also had the back doors locked. I heard this morning that the back door of the Texas school was not locked. Btw, for well over 30 years now only parents or bus drivers can pick kids up at our city schools unless the parent has authorized another person to do so. That's probably a worldwide policy by now.

 

[Dotta]

Hero Teachers

"They died with children in their arms"

Hero teachers were killed SHIELDING students from Texas gunman

Irma Garcia, 46, and Eva Mireles, 44, were shot dead protecting students when gunman Salvador Ramos, 18 stormed their classroom at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas.

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[IzzyBlanche]

His daughter, Jacklyn, was killed in the attack.

Cazares said he wanted answers from local authorities as to why the shooter was not stopped before or during the attack.

'I'm a gun owner and I do not blame the weapons used in this tragedy,' he said.

'I'm angry how easy it is to get one and young you can be to purchase one.'

Link: Moment frantic parents urge cops to storm Texas school

 

[IzzyBlanche]

So. He didn't barricade the door, he simply locked it.

Texas Gov. Greg Abbott said Wednesday that the gunman entered the school through a back door, walked down two short hallways and came into two adjoining classrooms where he locked the door and sprayed bullets indiscriminately.

Officers from multiple units and agencies — including local police and a tactical team from U.S. Customs and Border Protection — arrived at the scene but couldn’t enter the classroom.

The door to the classroom finally was opened when the principal produced a master key, state and federal law enforcement officials said.

Link: Gunman entered school unobstructed and started shooting, officials say

 

[stattlich1]

"We all have a rage," she said. "Some people have it more than others."

Quote from the mom.

Police: Texas shooter slipped by school officer; mom says Salvador Ramos not a 'monster' - UPI.com

Authorities are learning more about the man accused of killing 21 people at an elementary school in Uvalde, Texas -- including that he was apparently confronted by a school officer before he entered the building.

www.upi.com