TX - Uvalde; Robb Elementary, 19 children and 3 adults killed, shooter dead, 24 MAY 2022

[citizen_sleuth]

Gunman made social media post before going on shooting rampage that killed 19 children, 2 teachers in Uvalde, Gov. Abbott says

An 18-year-old man shot his own grandmother before storming into a West Texas elementary school and opening fire Tuesday morning, just two days shy of the end of the school year. During the rampage, 14 students and one teacher were killed, Texas Governor Greg Abbott said.

www.click2houston.com

massguy & steeltown, i agree. and yes this screams of adam lanza. currently sleuthing parents/grandmother. not finding much. not that i could post it anyway. i have three teenage boys, and i'm not a "mamma bear". was super-strict with them early on, resulting in "easier" years before/since the pandemic. no excuses, no bullcrap, study hard, work hard, play hard, even if you're stuck in your house. someone watched this kid grow up...and...epic fail...

<modsnip: Judgmental of family we know nothing about>


(and as always, so nice to see you bravo!!!)

We can't know whether mental illness was at play here, but only 25% of mass shooters have some form of mental illness (ranging from mild to severe). IMO these mass shootings generally can't be blamed on mental illness, but more so the accessibility of firearms. After all, many countries have higher rates of mental illness compared to the US but they don't have mass shootings on an every-other-day basis.

Mental Illness, Mass Shootings, and the Future of... : Harvard Review of Psychiatry

y diagnosable psychopathology in isolated “lone wolf” individuals. The destructive motivations must be situated, instead, within larger social structures and cultural scripts. Second, mental health professionals and scholars must carefully scrutinize any apparent correlation of violence with...

journals.lww.com

 

[wendybtn]

LE is not subject to HIPAA restrictions. Doctors are allowed to share that type of information with family and LE.

2096-Does HIPAA permit a doctor to contact a patient’s family or law enforcement if the doctor believes that the patient might hurt herself or someone else?

www.hhs.gov

LE cannot call and get a doctor on the phone when they need to know important details. Doctors are busy and LE is busy. They need to see hospital admissions and prescriptions. There is no such database. How would they know even know which doctor to call?

 

[Bravo]

Per CNN a 10 year old fighting for her life in Hospital

 

[bestill]

We can't know whether mental illness was at play here, but only 25% of mass shooters have some form of mental illness (ranging from mild to severe). IMO these mass shootings generally can't be blamed on mental illness, but more so the accessibility of firearms. After all, many countries have higher rates of mental illness compared to the US but they don't have mass shootings on an every-other-day basis.

Mental Illness, Mass Shootings, and the Future of... : Harvard Review of Psychiatry

y diagnosable psychopathology in isolated “lone wolf” individuals. The destructive motivations must be situated, instead, within larger social structures and cultural scripts. Second, mental health professionals and scholars must carefully scrutinize any apparent correlation of violence with...

journals.lww.com

This guy killed his grandmother, killed innocent students and a teacher - no sane person would do that. Sane people don't do mass shootings. JMO

 

[zecats]

Until Congress repeals or amends HIPPA laws so that LE agencies doing background checks can see psychiatric treatments and admissions, I don't see anything changing any time soon. Perhaps the times of rounding up children into one building like sitting ducks all day should come to an end.

Perhaps they also should no longer go grocery shopping. Or to the movies. Or to church. Or concerts. Or…
Seriously, where is one safe from this if someone is that determined? Jmo

 

[WichitaFalls]

We can't know whether mental illness was at play here, but only 25% of mass shooters have some form of mental illness (ranging from mild to severe). IMO these mass shootings generally can't be blamed on mental illness, but more so the accessibility of firearms. After all, many countries have higher rates of mental illness compared to the US but they don't have mass shootings on an every-other-day basis.

Mental Illness, Mass Shootings, and the Future of... : Harvard Review of Psychiatry

y diagnosable psychopathology in isolated “lone wolf” individuals. The destructive motivations must be situated, instead, within larger social structures and cultural scripts. Second, mental health professionals and scholars must carefully scrutinize any apparent correlation of violence with...

journals.lww.com

MOO, I respectfully disagree. Mass killers are mentally ill. I'll go further and state my belief that there are almost always red flags all over the place before a mass killer commits the killing. Family, friends, people on social media that see disturbing posts and do nothing.

 

[Bravo]

I have Nieces and Nephews in the U.S. and other relatives. I worry for them.

 

[citizen_sleuth]

LE cannot call and get a doctor on the phone when they need to know important details. Doctors are busy and LE is busy. They need to see hospital admissions and prescriptions. There is no such database. How would they know even know which doctor to call?

Involuntary commitments are already included in the NICS federal background check database that is used for gun purchases. The problem has been that because states have to add those records to the database themselves, some states have been better than others about updating their records but in recent years a number of states have taken the initiative to upload all relevant records to the NICS.

 

[tara83]

This guy killed his grandmother, killed innocent students and a teacher - no sane person would do that. Sane people don't do mass shootings. JMO

Perfectly sane people murder every single day.Some people are just filled with hate.With easy access to guns this will continue to happen.

 

[Jinkasaurus]

I am disgusted. I am simply disgusted. What is there to say when this happens nearly every week?

 

[Bravo]

Not a sane act for sure. Legally most shooters are sane.

 

[Lusitana]

I can't imagine how the US still has people willing to be teachers. This happens way too much, it's not normal.

 

[Bravo]

I know we will learn more as this horror unfolds but as reported killer murdered his Grandmother. I wonder if he lived with her. Pondering here.....

 

[Lusitana]

I know we will learn more as this horror unfolds but as reported killer murdered his Grandmother. I wonder if he lived with her. Pondering here.....

That's what I was thinking too, that his grandmother was most likely responsible for him. How sad.

 

[Betty P]

Involuntary commitments are already included in the NICS federal background check database that is used for gun purchases. The problem has been that because states have to add those records to the database themselves, some states have been better than others about updating their records but in recent years a number of states have taken the initiative to upload all relevant records to the NICS.

Sounds like it would be a very good thing if they get that done. Soon. There's not really a good reason to put it off. I'm sure there are plenty of qualified citizens who would volunteer their time to enter that data.

 

[citizen_sleuth]

This guy killed his grandmother, killed innocent students and a teacher - no sane person would do that. Sane people don't do mass shootings. JMO

I've done extensive research on this topic in college and the research shows that there is no significant causation or correlation between mental illness and mass shootings. IMO it's easier to say someone killed innocent children because they weren't "sane" than to accept the fact that the problem is far more nuanced than just "crazy people with guns."

Research shows that mass shooters do not have a significantly higher prevalence of mental illness than the general American public: 25% of mass shooters have some form of mental illness compared to 18.1% of all American adults.

Mass murderers who use firearms are also less likely to have experienced symptoms of psychosis (8%) in their lifetime than mass murderers who do not use firearms (18%).

Meanwhile, the availability of "long guns" has a significant association with mass shooting incidents––they are implicated in 1 out of every 3 school shootings.

People with mental illness are not inherently evil, and the public narrative equating mass shootings with mental illness is not only unsupported by research, but it risks further stigmatizing those experiencing mental illness from seeking help. It's very difficult to understand why someone would want to massacre children as it seemingly defies comprehension, but evil exists everywhere, in all forms. IMO saying that someone must be mentally ill because they kill children helps no one except people struggling to accept that gun violence is a far more complex problem than "mentally ill people with guns." After all, some of the most horrific evils throughout the course of human history were inflicted by people that were totally "sane."

MOO.

 

[WichitaFalls]

18 children dead, three adults dead. Just reported on CNN per Texas Rangers

 

[Jinkasaurus]

I am crying for those families. I cannot imagine what those parents are feeling tonight, or the family of the teacher. Or any person in that school or community. I wonder how the parents of Sandy Hook are feeling tonight. Our country needs to feel ashamed of itself right now.

 

[sds71]

@BillFOXLA
The father of 10-year-old Annabelle Guadalupe Rodriguez tells us his daughter is missing following the mass shooting at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, TX, where she is a student. He provided her photo to Texas Rangers. Many parents going through this tonight

 

[Betty P]

TX Senator on CNN says the death toll is now up to 18. The grandmother is still alive, though barely.

Shooter was born in North Dakota, moved to Texas. On his 18th birthday, he went out and bought the 2 assault rifles that he used today. Bought in Uvalde area from federally licensed gun stores. Social media discussion about violence by the shooter.

Senator is saying Uvalde is a small town, doesn't have any psych services. It is in a remote area.