doublestop
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Then they'd all be shot first, by default. Don't put this on teachers.What if the teachers had guns? There were two teachers in the classroom.
Then they'd all be shot first, by default. Don't put this on teachers.What if the teachers had guns? There were two teachers in the classroom.
My belief? The adults in his lives at some point gave up on trying to help him. At one time he was a 10-year-old probably not unlike the ones he murdered.I am sure there are many more stories of his demented behavior. Could someone along the way have done something to get him help? Maybe the school he dropped out of? Maybe a co-worker or his former boss? Maybe his parents or grandparents? It's just my opinion this didn't happen overnight. One thing that could come out of this tragedy is parents and those in positions of authority in peoples lives recognize signs early on and try to get help for that individual. I wonder if any calls were ever made on his behalf?
It's also my opinion that someone so determined to do this degree of harm would have found a way to do it. He was on a mission.
That gun would need to be accessed and unlocked by a frantic teacher amid 20+ frantic children while trying to decide if she should order them to run, hide, or fight.
If you are suggesting that one teacher should corral 25 panicked kids and another should lock the door, turn off the lights, pull the shades, and retrieve and ready the gun - all in time to prevent bloodshed - I kindly suggest you volunteer in a classroom.
Thank you so much for your thoughtful post. I agree with so much of what you said!My belief? The adults in his lives at some point gave up on trying to help him. At one time he was a 10-year-old probably not unlike the ones he murdered.
Now everyone is wondering, "Why?" I think if they are honest, his family, his school, his community knows why - but it's a very complicated why. And the truths need to be addressed - whether parental guidance missing due to drug use, bullying at school, bouncing between his mother & grandmother, dropping out of school, harassing texts to the young women he worked with, cutting himself....the list could go on and on.
This is not a person who acted on spur of the moment rage. He planned. At some point, he came to the conclusion that he could behave any way he wanted because no one was going to connect with him in a meaningful supportive way.
To me, the part missing with these young male killers is an analysis of the construct in which they live. Killer Crumbley's parents' behavior was aggregious enough that they face trial.
SR was 10 once. What happened to that child to create the 18-year-old who acted as if there are no boundaries on his behavior?
It is unsettling to place blame on his family, school and community. Why? Because we then have to confront very painful truths that many (if not most) of us personally avoid. I think nature & nurture both contribute to the lost souls who become mass murderers.
Everything that happens before the weapons are assembled and final action is taken is systemic in my view. Taking the guns away doesn't solve it. The weapons are a symptom of not a cause of "Why?"
I'm not against better regulation of firearms and what types are readily available for purchase. But that is, to me, only a small part of the solution.
If I saw an innocent-looking picture of SR at 10 years old & thought about his home, school & community influences then, what would worry me about his future?
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I am not saying it is a good idea or bad idea. But I know in many states teachers are allowed to carry at school. And I have heard school board discussions on the subject, both pro and con.That gun would need to be accessed and unlocked by a frantic teacher amid 20+ frantic children while trying to decide if she should order them to run, hide, or fight.
If you are suggesting that one teacher should corral 25 panicked kids and another should lock the door, turn off the lights, pull the shades, and retrieve and ready the gun - all in time to prevent bloodshed - I kindly suggest you volunteer in a classroom.
Great post - totally agree. It’s tough work to help someone. If SR was really in his room all the time, a loner, angry - then he needed help. He was a kid after all, and would perhaps not seek mental health support on his own. Maybe the adults in his life fought tooth and nail to help him? Or maybe they just gave up. Or maybe they didn’t pay enough attention.My belief? The adults in his lives at some point gave up on trying to help him. At one time he was a 10-year-old probably not unlike the ones he murdered.
Now everyone is wondering, "Why?" I think if they are honest, his family, his school, his community knows why - but it's a very complicated why. And the truths need to be addressed - whether parental guidance missing due to drug use, bullying at school, bouncing between his mother & grandmother, dropping out of school, harassing texts to the young women he worked with, cutting himself....the list could go on and on.
This is not a person who acted on spur of the moment rage. He planned. At some point, he came to the conclusion that he could behave any way he wanted because no one was going to connect with him in a meaningful supportive way.
To me, the part missing with these young male killers is an analysis of the construct in which they live. Killer Crumbley's parents' behavior was aggregious enough that they face trial.
SR was 10 once. What happened to that child to create the 18-year-old who acted as if there are no boundaries on his behavior?
It is unsettling to place blame on his family, school and community. Why? Because we then have to confront very painful truths that many (if not most) of us personally avoid. I think nature & nurture both contribute to the lost souls who become mass murderers.
Everything that happens before the weapons are assembled and final action is taken is systemic in my view. Taking the guns away doesn't solve it. The weapons are a symptom of not a cause of "Why?"
I'm not against better regulation of firearms and what types are readily available for purchase. But that is, to me, only a small part of the solution.
If I saw an innocent-looking picture of SR at 10 years old & thought about his home, school & community influences then, what would worry me about his future?
MY OPINION ONLY
My belief? The adults in his lives at some point gave up on trying to help him. At one time he was a 10-year-old probably not unlike the ones he murdered.
Now everyone is wondering, "Why?" I think if they are honest, his family, his school, his community knows why - but it's a very complicated why. And the truths need to be addressed - whether parental guidance missing due to drug use, bullying at school, bouncing between his mother & grandmother, dropping out of school, harassing texts to the young women he worked with, cutting himself....the list could go on and on.
This is not a person who acted on spur of the moment rage. He planned. At some point, he came to the conclusion that he could behave any way he wanted because no one was going to connect with him in a meaningful supportive way.
To me, the part missing with these young male killers is an analysis of the construct in which they live. Killer Crumbley's parents' behavior was aggregious enough that they face trial.
SR was 10 once. What happened to that child to create the 18-year-old who acted as if there are no boundaries on his behavior?
It is unsettling to place blame on his family, school and community. Why? Because we then have to confront very painful truths that many (if not most) of us personally avoid. I think nature & nurture both contribute to the lost souls who become mass murderers.
Everything that happens before the weapons are assembled and final action is taken is systemic in my view. Taking the guns away doesn't solve it. The weapons are a symptom of not a cause of "Why?"
I'm not against better regulation of firearms and what types are readily available for purchase. But that is, to me, only a small part of the solution.
If I saw an innocent-looking picture of SR at 10 years old & thought about his home, school & community influences then, what would worry me about his future?
MY OPINION ONLY
Not everyone is capable of firing a gun. I wouldn't, certainly not if I had 20+ scared children under my responsability and looking at me. I couldn't be a teacher in this climate. This is not normal.
In my opinion more mental health treatment is not the answer, more mental health screening is. If you had to do some type of personality/psychological test prior to purchasing a weapon some of these folks may be able to be guided to help. It seems to me often that "there is no history of mental health issues" is what is said.... A lot of folks are not in the system who may be suffering from severe mental health issues.
Just my Opinion.
Yeah, I don’t know about others, but if I’d wanted to shoot people I’d have joined the military. Instead, I wanted to nurture and educate little mindsNot everyone is capable of firing a gun. I wouldn't, certainly not if I had 20+ scared children under my responsability and looking at me. I couldn't be a teacher in this climate. This is not normal.
I worked in behavioral health here for 10 years, with an SMI (seriously mentally ill) population. A huge thing I noticed is it is very hard for family members to get someone help, especially if they are an adult. Once people were in the system they were able to get the care free or affordable. We need to get the stigma of mental help and getting help to go away and maybe more will reach out. BUT yes, affordable/free and ACCESIBLE would be a huge help.What about both? Affordable/free mental healthcare available and then mental health screening before buying a gun?
I like your idea.
And who's going to pay for that? What happens when a teacher simply can't deal with that?It takes training in order to stay calm with 20 kids panicking. The teachers would need hardcore every weekend training not everyone is cut out for this level of intense stress. I really do feel for teachers all they wanna do is teach these sweet young ones. Teaching is an honorable profession I wish our society held them in higher regard.
Yeah, I don’t know about others, but if I’d wanted to shoot people I’d have joined the military. Instead, I wanted to nurture and educate little minds
Have to be? NoI think the day teachers have to be armed with guns in a classroom, and trained (and willing) to shoot to kill, would be a very sad day for America. It’s just unfathomable.
And who's going to pay for that? What happens when a teacher simply can't deal with that?
Exactly, I didn't sign up for any of this. I'm there to teach, I'm not there to shoot anyone and to have to die and see my students die because someone with a gun decided it would be a great idea to murder a bunch of innocent people.
I worked in behavioral health here for 10 years, with an SMI (seriously mentally ill) population. A huge thing I noticed is it is very hard for family members to get someone help, especially if they are an adult. Once people were in the system they were able to get the care free or affordable. We need to get the stigma of mental help and getting help to go away and maybe more will reach out. BUT yes, affordable/free and ACCESIBLE would be a huge help.