UK - Alesha MacPhail, 6, raped & murdered, Ardbeg, Isle of Bute, Scotland, 2 Jul 2018 -*arrest* #4

[iamnotanumber]

Totally agree!! He’s known to be an Adrenalin junkie, impulsive and clearly twisted. These things together explain everything. The reason people can’t get their heads around it is because most people aren’t sociopathic/psychopathic narcissists. People are applying normal logic to a person who’s thinking and personality is the opposite of that.

I think it is worth pointing out that the eminent criminologist Professor David Wilson said in an interview this week that he 'hadn't seen enough' to suggest that AC was a psychopath. This was based on the disparity between the abduction, the murder, and the clean-up. Psychopaths generally speaking aren't anywhere near as careless as AC appears to have been in relation to the actual rape/murder.

This was a point which i found difficult to digest prior to the conviction.

 

[charlotte123456]

Here it is:

Is this defo of the party? He looks like he’s drinking beer. He only mentioned Mad Dog and wine (Echo Falls) in his defence.

 

[kyndigs]

He's inflicted 117 injuries, raped and murdered a 6 year old girl. I have no idea how you can speculate on what he may perceive as 'risky'.

Rational thinking doesn't apply here.

The risk of just waltzing in on the pretense to kidnap her is not likely, but not impossible depending on the circumstances, how far is the room from the door, is it 2nd floor etc, these circumstance increase risk, they said they left the key in the door, who leaves the key on the outside of the door? So someone had to either answer the door or it was unlocked for him to go inside.

 

[Ruben71]

What I'm wondering is didn't he say he lost those joggers in the sea a few days before while swimming alone? and so if he was wearing those clothes that night would his friends and whoever saw him that night be able to confirm that he's lying about losing them in the sea days before? Nevertheless he's clearly lying anyway...the story of losing them in the sea while swimming alone is ridiculously convenient...his evidence given is desperate at times.

 

[Joolz1975]

My understnding ... the house was split into 2 ... The McPhails entrance was from the back ... they had chair lift in their entrance up to their actual flat (part of the house) the entrance was soley for their use however the 'home" was when they entered front door at top of stairs. Hope that makes sense .....

I sincerely believe they have got the right man but how he got the poor wee soul out I can't fathom.

Same Molly.

I think he did it there is no disputing the DNA and things but how did they not hear him taking her out!

And how did he not leave any forensic evidence apart from one palm print?

It says she was on his back on some of the cctv.

As he crouched down on the stairs for her to climb on and that's how the palm print got there?

Or has he covered his hands or used a cloth or something before touching anything.

I'm not surprised there was none of Aleshas DNA at his property especially if he has abandoned clothes etc..plus had days to clean up.

But to find nothing of his at the McPhails is surprising.

Though someone else did mention a case where a mother had been murdered and the daughter abducted and there was no DNA of the killer at the scene also.

Maybe they just check certain points and he just struck really lucky.

 

[kyndigs]

Grassing in an abuser will carry zero stigma.

It's implausible to me too.

Correct brutal crimes are not considered stigma to grass on, but I have seen many cases of gang related stabbings and murders, and grassing there is also stigma.

 

[TaylorCallum]

Is this defo of the party? He looks like he’s drinking beer. He only mentioned Mad Dog and wine (Echo Falls) in his defence.

No, it was never confirmed if this was at the party or not. Could very well not have been. People were just speculating.

I don't think those are the same joggers either to be honest. I don't see the "Hype" logo on them, which is what his friend identified them as and if you Google image them you won't find a pair that even look like that from the brand.

 

[Joolz1975]

I think it is worth pointing out that the eminent criminologist Professor David Wilson said in an interview this week that he 'hadn't seen enough' to suggest that AC was a psychopath. This was based on the disparity between the abduction, the murder, and the clean-up. Psychopaths generally speaking aren't anywhere near as careless as AC appears to have been in relation to the actual rape/murder.

This was a point which i found difficult to digest prior to the conviction.

But a lot of physchpaths are probably not caught until much later on in their 'career when they have had a chance to hone their skills as such.

AC I think would have grown up to be a very dangerous man.

If he had lived in a big city I think he might have had a chance of getting away with this as their suspect pool would have been much larger.

 

[iamnotanumber]

But a lot of physchpaths are probably not caught until much later on in their 'career when they have had a chance to hone their skills as such.

AC I think would have grown up to be a very dangerous man.

If he had lived in a big city I think he might have had a chance of getting away with this as their suspect pool would have been much larger.

I agree with your point regarding a big city, but in theory it still makes very little sense - how can he enter a house that he's never been in before, and at most (given it could be related to a previous visit to buy drugs) leave one palm print in the outer stairwell but leave absolutely no trace inside? Then, he skillfully manages to navigate a two story flat in the dark which has four adults sleeping in it to lift a small child straight from their bed (without knowing what room she is in), yet be stupid and clumsy enough to leave the murder scene absolutely covered in DNA ?

Not being funny, but he might as well have left a business card at the scene with his name and phone number on it. That's the level of disparity.

 

[Joolz1975]

I agree with your point regarding a big city, but in theory it still makes very little sense - how can he enter a house that he's never been in before, and at most (given it could be related to a previous visit to buy drugs) leave one palm print in the outer stairwell but leave absolutely no trace inside, then skillfully manage to navigate a two story flat in the dark which has four adults sleeping in it to lift a small child straight from their bed, yet be stupid and clumsy enough to leave the murder scene absolutely covered in DNA ?

I don't know..that is the one point I'm struggling with.

I'm wondering if he was so cautious of getting caughtin the flat that he was really careful.

Then once he got her out and to the scene he just lost all control and didn't stop to think about leaving evidence.

Feel sick just thinking that to be honest but we know what happened to her was brutal.

The only other thing I can think is that Alesha maybe heard a noise and got up to look and was on the stairwell already.

 

[kyndigs]

I agree with your point regarding a big city, but in theory it still makes very little sense - how can he enter a house that he's never been in before, and at most (given it could be related to a previous visit to buy drugs) leave one palm print in the outer stairwell but leave absolutely no trace inside, then skillfully manage to navigate a two story flat in the dark which has four adults sleeping in it to lift a small child straight from their bed, yet be stupid and clumsy enough to leave the murder scene absolutely covered in DNA ?

This is what I am saying also, no doubt he took her, but it seems very implausible he entered into the main house to do so, is this stairwell a close like stairwell or out in the open? It is possible they don't lock the main door at the top of the steps and Alesha has wandered there/opened the door sleepwalking perhaps?

 

[Noseyjosie]

I wonder if he understands finger prints and blood evidence but doesn't (or didn't!) understand DNA. It could explain him being careful in the flat and disposing of clothing but genuinely not thinking about what could be recovered from Alesha. JMO

 

[Joolz1975]

Your other point about leaving a business card.

They didn't have his DNA in the system, he could have left much more DNA but with nothing to compare it to it wasn't much use.

I think arrogance played a part there, who's going to suspect a 16 year old boy of that?

It probably wasn't until the phone call from TM aunt that the penny dropped about DNA, any by then it was too late to do anything about it.

 

[Mercsw]

Who are the “better suited suspects”?

What parts of the narrative are false?

You seem to be dismissing all the rumours and hearsay about AC, but taking the ones about the Macphail family as true.

The stories that have since come out in the papers are actually irrelevant to the case, because the jury weren’t told any of these things and still came to a unanimous decision of guilt.

If there was some sort of “cover-up” or more to the story, why did AC not mention it in his defence? Instead deciding to make up a ridiculous story about an innocent girl.

The simple answer is because nothing of the sort happened. Nobody else was involved apart from the depraved teen responsible for raping and murdering a toddler. Just because we don’t have every single second of how he perpetrated the crime mapped out doesn’t mean this isn’t true.

He most certainly did do it. However it sits weirdly how he was singled out immediately. I mean there’s obviously something else we aren’t being told. The leaked stories are nothing more than cliche horror movie tropes to build a monster as he doesn’t fit the profile.

It’s also weird that I believed him more before he talked! As soon as he started talking, his whole defence crashed and burned. Before that I had doubts.

 

[Joolz1975]

He most certainly did do it. However it sits weirdly how he was singled out immediately. I mean there’s obviously something else we aren’t being told. The leaked stories are nothing more than cliche horror movie tropes to build a monster as he doesn’t fit the profile.

It’s also weird that I believed him more before he talked! As soon as he started talking, his whole defence crashed and burned. Before that I had doubts.

It's a small island though, people will talk and everyone will likely know everyone else's business.

It wouldn't take long for rumours of his behaviour to spread and people to know he was a bit of a wrong un.

 

[Meeky]

Having been the victim of a burglary whilst in my house asleep and not hearing anything, despite a window being forced open, I can see how, if a key was left in a door, someone could have got in without waking any of the adults. The burglars (I later discovered there had been 2 of them and 6 houses in my road had all been broken into that night), left no fingerprints or DNA in my house at all. However, as far as I know, the perpetrators in my case didn't venture up the stairs, which makes me think that poor little Alesha had perhaps left her bedroom again after everyone had gone to sleep and was taken from the living room area. My son, once asleep, has always been a very deep sleeper. He would sleep through an earthquake. He also sleepwalks. I have lifted and moved him, sometimes back upstairs, when he's asleep and he never stirred once. This was right up until he was the age/size I was no longer able to.
JMO for what it's worth

Edited to add that the burglars in my house turned out to be 16 year olds too

 

[Joolz1975]

I thought this noseyjosie too.

Maybe he was more aware of fingerprint evidence than he was DNA.

Maybe they had his fingerprints on file from some other petty offence but not his DNA.

 

[Joolz1975]

Having been the victim of a burglary whilst in my house asleep and not hearing anything, despite a window being forced open, I can see how, if a key was left in a door, someone could have got in without waking any of the adults. The burglars (I later discovered there had been 2 of them and 6 houses in my road had all been broken into that night), left no fingerprints or DNA in my house at all. However, as far as I know, the perpetrators in my case didn't venture up the stairs, which makes me think that poor little Alesha had perhaps left her bedroom again after everyone had gone to sleep and was taken from the living room area. My son, once asleep, has always been a very deep sleeper. He would sleep through an earthquake. He also sleepwalks. I have lifted and moved him, sometimes back upstairs, when he's asleep and he never stirred once. This was right up until he was the age/size I was no longer able to.
JMO for what it's worth

I've been broken into also while in bed.

I was woken up though and two guys walked into my bedroom.

I was a single parent at the time, bloody scary.

I didn't hear them break in but sat up when my bedroom door opened thinking my young son had come in!!

Honestly never felt adrenaline or fear like it, couldn't hear a thing except the blood rushing round my head.

 

[iamnotanumber]

Your other point about leaving a business card.

They didn't have his DNA in the system, he could have left much more DNA but with nothing to compare it to it wasn't much use.

I think arrogance played a part there, who's going to suspect a 16 year old boy of that?

It probably wasn't until the phone call from TM aunt that the penny dropped about DNA, any by then it was too late to do anything about it.

Sure, he probably didn't have any DNA in the system but in such a small (island) community he must have been aware of the likelihood that the police would take DNA samples from local males as part of their investigation as they have done in many cases with a similar sized population.

Furthermore, the location of the body was in VERY close proximity to AC's house. In fact, his house was actually the first house you would come to at the end of the road next to which it was found. The police would have been extremely likely to test most males on the northern peninsula of the island.

 

[molly67]

Same Molly.

I think he did it there is no disputing the DNA and things but how did they not hear him taking her out!

And how did he not leave any forensic evidence apart from one palm print?

It says she was on his back on some of the cctv.

As he crouched down on the stairs for her to climb on and that's how the palm print got there?

Or has he covered his hands or used a cloth or something before touching anything.

I'm not surprised there was none of Aleshas DNA at his property especially if he has abandoned clothes etc..plus had days to clean up.

But to find nothing of his at the McPhails is surprising.

Though someone else did mention a case where a mother had been murdered and the daughter abducted and there was no DNA of the killer at the scene also.

Maybe they just check certain points and he just struck really lucky.

Joolz I have came to the conclusion that DNA is not all that it is cracked up to be .... my conclusion is not just coming from this case but others too....

In this case there was so many quotes from the forsensics that DNA was not conclusive in certain places within the crime scene.

Again I believe they have the right man but I believe there is more to this ... I hope there is more singing canaries out ther we have yet to hear from