UK UK - Alistair Wilson, 30, murdered at home, Nairn, Scotland, 28 Nov 2004

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Did this case feature on crimewatch? I cannot find an episode with this case appeal in it?? Anyone got a link?
 
This was very interesting -
a bit long, but discusses a theory by the DCI McPhee that the shooter had went back to pick up the envelope (that's why Veronica could still see him walking away!!). Also (oddly, as I'd also just posted regarding my Michael Ross theory/question - he was still at large in 2004 - although I'd need to check where he was posted in 2004 - but could have been home on leave (he was 25 at this point and in the army) this was prior to his arrest for the racial murder - also the whereabouts of Eddie his dad - was he still in prison in Nov. 2004?? He was due to be released I believe at some point in 2004 - could he have been the older man seen on the beach with Michael and the gun/s???). Surely they have both been ruled out, but made me think!!!
 
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My final thoughts!!...given that Michael Ross and his dad were both charged, massively due to balistics, was this why 'this' I.e Wilson's killer collected the casings??? Did he, does anyone know?!? I guess it would be foolhardy for the Ross's to be wondering about in plain sight with small guns, just after Eddie released from prison! .. unless it was Michael and another person??
So eerily similar these murders IMO!!! (Excluding the racial motive/balaclava)...Shot at close range in very very public places! No fear by the shooter to being seen! Ran/walked off, local etc. The e.fit of Michael reminded me of Veronica's description too!
 
The Black Watch are stationed at Fort George. 15 mins away from the shooting
Kiri said:
This was very interesting -
a bit long, but discusses a theory by the DCI McPhee that the shooter had went back to pick up the envelope (that's why Veronica could still see him walking away!!). Also (oddly, as I'd also just posted regarding my Michael Ross theory/question - he was still at large in 2004 - although I'd need to check where he was posted in 2004 - but could have been home on leave (he was 25 at this point and in the army) this was prior to his arrest for the racial murder - also the whereabouts of Eddie his dad - was he still in prison in Nov. 2004?? He was due to be released I believe at some point in 2004 - could he have been the older man seen on the beach with Michael and the gun/s???). Surely they have both been ruled out, but made me think!!!
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johnnykipper1 said:
The Black Watch are stationed at Fort George. 15 mins away from the shooting
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Wow! I knew he was in BW and stationed in Yorkshire at some point, but, didn't know he was that close!!! Hmmmm. Police seem to be determined it's to do with the decking at mo. though. I've searched for a definite 'Ross ruled out' article, but haven't found one. I even wondered if Michael Ross had entered into some plea bargaining I.e admit Wilson too and we let you out earlier etc. But, none of that fits with their current theory of murder by planning dispute. Given Ross' obsession with guns and his profession as a sniper it wouldn't be a stretch to link him to this case IMO. I even wondered if the Ross family (or people close to the Ross's had any business failures in Orkney!).
 
first of all, I have to apologise to kiri...-I originally replied to. them with it but the. mods seemed to think I was saying he or. she was mentally unstable, but I was just having a joke.

the police have said they want to especially hear. from anyone who had been staying. in the hotel in the 2 weeks prior to. the murder..they say the hotel would have received the official decision about the decking then and guests may have. heard relevant. conversations...and the. 2 men on the beach. were seen 2 weeks before the murder, so that. would tie in.

I think its a. good sign that they've. got a person in mind...if they can find. him...because you can be murdered for any reason or. for no reason. at all...im not saying that its likely but its. even possible that there. were several motives here...word gets round fast. in places like Nairn and. someone angry about the decking and. someone who feels. they've lost out. financially have an angry moan when they're a bit tipsy. and some hothead says ill teach him a lesson and bang.

someone once saw the local. vicar coming here...I was. helping him out with some some. forms in a foreign. language and the. next thing I knew was that the rumour was going round that we were religious fanatics
 
just a couple of other points...I can see why the mortgage arrangements may have been a bit strange...originally it would. have been partly for a business and then purely for a home...and this was back in the day when anyone working for a bank was expected to make all their. financial arrangements with them....id have thought the police would have got an. expert with no ties to local businesses to go through. everything....if not, I think an outside force should be called in.

why haven't we got any photofits

like David t I dont think the intention was to kill....I know its only a. gut feeling and im probably totally wrong...but I dont think the whole envelope episode would have occurred otherwise.....I think someone enjoyed. playing the role. with. a gun. and a baseball cap and the idea of frightening someone.

has anyone. ever seen the chefs name anywhere...well, I bet it won't be Paul...its just odd
 
cortina said:
just a couple of other points...I can see why the mortgage arrangements may have been a bit strange...originally it would. have been partly for a business and then purely for a home...and this was back in the day when anyone working for a bank was expected to make all their. financial arrangements with them....id have thought the police would have got an. expert with no ties to local businesses to go through. everything....if not, I think an outside force should be called in.

why haven't we got any photofits

like David t I dont think the intention was to kill....I know its only a. gut feeling and im probably totally wrong...but I dont think the whole envelope episode would have occurred otherwise.....I think someone enjoyed. playing the role. with. a gun. and a baseball cap and the idea of frightening someone.

has anyone. ever seen the chefs name anywhere...well, I bet it won't be Paul...its just odd
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The chefs name is Stuart Wright, he appeared on a number of stv interviews. Sorry you think I'm mentally unstable! Not sure what reply to me you are apologising for? I agree police believe the pub/planning may be motive etc. I just wanted to clarify Ross had been ruled out. Which I haven't seen as yet! Sorry, if that makes me appear mentally unstable!!! P.S. I'm female AND definitely stable!!!!
 
just a note to kiri....they didn't. like my this way lies madness post, which I originally wrote as a. reply to your saying you going to read about the. case.

thanks for the chefs name
 
cortina said:
just a note to kiri....they didn't. like my this way lies madness post, which I originally wrote as a. reply to your saying you going to read about the. case.

thanks for the chefs name
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Ahh got it!!! Think we are all a bit mad! But not as mad as the murderers!!!!! I do go down the rabbit hole sometimes....police have a proper name for it, that I forget now (I'll google it), I just got a bit fixated on my Michael Ross theory! I found an stv interview with Stuart (not Paul - you are correct!) Wright. I had to search a lot for that! I was hoping to find stv's Unsolved - Alistair Wilson episode, but they won't let me see that! All they let me see was short interviews with Veronica, Stuart and the council road cleaner who found the gun. Starting to think they recalled a lot of the media on this case, for some reason! Or maybe just copyright issues! I chatted with Beksley online regarding my theory too. He is watching this decking theory unfold!!! As we all are!
 
another useless piece of speculation...the theory that the gunman might have gone back wherever to get the envelope makes sense to me...wonder if the envelope also had Pauls phone number on it...gunman asked aw to get in touch with him...I imagine all vw would have. remembered was whether it was a local number...and. that may. have. gone with. the shock
 
cortina said:
another useless piece of speculation...the theory that the gunman might have gone back wherever to get the envelope makes sense to me...wonder if the envelope also had Pauls phone number on it...gunman asked aw to get in touch with him...I imagine all vw would have. remembered was whether it was a local number...and. that may. have. gone with. the shock
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Are the police keeping a lot of 'murder specific' info/Intel back for operational reasons I.e to rule out false confessions, protect VW etc. Who knows! Seems police release far less these days! Bring back crimewatch I say! Could well be a lot more to the envelope than we know about! Or not! Could be a complete 'blue' herring!!!!
 
cortina said:
another useless piece of speculation...the theory that the gunman might have gone back wherever to get the envelope makes sense to me...wonder if the envelope also had Pauls phone number on it...gunman asked aw to get in touch with him...I imagine all vw would have. remembered was whether it was a local number...and. that may. have. gone with. the shock
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It's possible and if AW refused to give it back that might be why things turned violent.
 
Kiri said:
Are the police keeping a lot of 'murder specific' info/Intel back for operational reasons I.e to rule out false confessions, protect VW etc. Who knows! Seems police release far less these days! Bring back crimewatch I say! Could well be a lot more to the envelope than we know about! Or not! Could be a complete 'blue' herring!withw
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sometimes I think the police know lots more and sometimes I think they dont know anything.
maybe the thing only the gunman knows is. that there was no. envelope...no, its just a funny turn coming on again
 
I realise this is probably another rabbit hole, but ill type it down anyway.
I think its obvious that. the gunman wasn't the. most professional or. the brightest.
he expected aw to realise who Paul was immediately, but he had no idea.
I dont think that the gunman was a real insider..I dont think he knew who was who.
presumably someone told him what to do...they didn't write it down.
if he wasn't Scottish he may. have interpreted something like Powell as Paul...Scots wouldn't emphasise the 2 syllables in Powell as English people would.
just a thought...going now
 
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