UK UK - Andrew Gosden, 14, Doncaster, South Yorks, 14 Sept 2007

[Kitkat28]

As I said, I’m the biggest sceptic around and I usually inwardly cringe at the knots people tie themselves in to try and make photos or CCTV fit their narrative, but that picture has given me chills.

 

[ChatteringBirds]

Does anyone think law enforcement computers should be able to analyze the photo and determine if the T-shirt is probably his Slipknot shirt? It would be amazing if it was him and if someone recognized who that man might be. I agree it's unlikely but think LE has tools to tell if it could be.
(By the way, I spent awhile thinking we were supposed to be looking at the person wearing a dark shirt standing behind them. And thought there is no way anyone's going to figure out if that is him. . But it shows how careful you have to be to really look at photos from that date.
You did a good job @ nacentaeons.)

 

[nacentaeons]

I have tried enhancing it in PS but there just isn’t enough data in the image.

IF this is Andrew (a big if) I am wondering what everyone thinks about the bald man standing next to him? They look like they are wearing a gilet or stab vest to me. It is a similar outfit to the armed BTP at that time but the person appears to be too old to be a police officer.

This photo was taken at 20:36:15 which does not clash with other known sightings (to my knowledge) but does clash with the start of the gigs that Andrew is theorised to have been in London to attend.

 

[ekardh]

Hang on. Are we focusing on the couple in the background or the foreground? I had assumed it was the two with their backs to us.

As for the couple at the front, I'm not sure the person on the left isn't a woman.

 

[nacentaeons]

Hang on. Are we focusing on the couple in the background or the foreground? I had assumed it was the two with their backs to us.

As for the couple at the front, I'm not sure the person on the left isn't a woman.

Yes, foreground couple. It could be a woman. It probably is. They fit Andrews ‘look’ better than any other candidate I have found in years of searching though.

It would be useful to go down there and measure the height of that balustrade so I could get a gauge on the persons height.

 

[Kitkat28]

I have tried enhancing it in PS but there just isn’t enough data in the image.

IF this is Andrew (a big if) I am wondering what everyone thinks about the bald man standing next to him? They look like they are wearing a gilet or stab vest to me. It is a similar outfit to the armed BTP at that time but the person appears to be too old to be a police officer.

This photo was taken at 20:36:15 which does not clash with other known sightings (to my knowledge) but does clash with the start of the gigs that Andrew is theorised to have been in London to attend.

Have you read the interview with Andrew’s dad Kevin? The gig is a red herring and it needs taking off the table IMO as it it just distracting. Andrew wasn’t going to that or any gig in London - his taste in music isn’t half as “alternative” as it has been made out to be. Slipknot and Muse were, at the time, pretty mainstream teenage boy angsty-music bands. I truly believe that Andrew was a much more ordinary kid than his “legend” has become - his probably random choice to wear a band t-shirt that day instead of say a plain blue t-shirt or a short sleeved shirt has defined his whole character.

 

[ChatteringBirds]

Hang on. Are we focusing on the couple in the background or the foreground? I had assumed it was the two with their backs to us.

As for the couple at the front, I'm not sure the person on the left isn't a woman.

Are there two people in the background? I see two in the front and one in the background not facing us. ETA: Where is the 2nd person in the background?

 

[dotr]

I recently created that image by cropping out a large photo taken of Trafalgar Square on the evening of the 14th. The original image was found on Flickr. There is a very very slight chance it may contain Andrew. I have looked at many candidate images for Andrew any none turned out to be him so this is likely another one but worth discounting at least. I sent it to Missing People just in case.

Thanks for the pics! To clarify...
Looking at the right side of the photo, by the fountain, water shooting out from (fish?) just behind him, a young fellow, dressed in black, wearing glasses, a dark band of some type on his left wrist, standing behind an( E.Indian?) couple?
speculation, imo.

 

[nacentaeons]

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Thanks for the pics! To clarify...
Looking at the right side of the photo, by the fountain, water shooting out from (fish?) just behind him, a young fellow, dressed in black, wearing glasses, a dark band of some type on his left wrist, standing behind an( E.Indian?) couple?
speculation, imo.

No it’s not that person. It sounds like you are referring to the original image. I was talking about this crop of that image: imgur.com

It shows two people standing behind a balustrade. The one on the left is smaller, slim with long gingery brown hair and the one on the right is a bald man.

 

[dotr]

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It sounds like you are referring to the original image. I was talking about this crop of that image: imgur.com

It shows two people standing behind a balustrade. The one on the left is smaller, slim with long gingery brown hair and the one on the right is a bald man.

Thanks, but when i click that link, nothing at all shows up for me.

 

[Kitkat28]

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No it’s not that person. It sounds like you are referring to the original image. I was talking about this crop of that image: imgur.com

It shows two people standing behind a balustrade. The one on the left is smaller, slim with long gingery brown hair and the one on the right is a bald man.

Have you posted this photo on Reddit? What do people on there think?

 

[Aluev]

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... I was talking about this crop of that image: imgur.com

It shows two people standing behind a balustrade. The one on the left is smaller, slim with long gingery brown hair and the one on the right is a bald man.

OMG! Even though it is a stretch it very well could be Andrew. The hair is a match, the t-shirt is a match. If you look down on the lower left between the rails the t-shirt has a greenish color as was the case in Andrew's Slipknot t-shirt.

The location also ties in with the possible sighting at Pizza Hut in Covent Garden as the Trafalgar Square is very close. Also, Trafalgar Square is one of the top 10 visited places in London and a common meeting point.

The timestamp of the original photo seems wrong. Sunset on Sept 14 2007 in London was at 19:17 and the exif data shows the time the picture was taken as 20:36:15 but the sun was clearly still shining in the picture. One explanation could be that the owner was a tourist that forgot to set the correct time for the UK.

 

[Sarahlou]

Don't the sleeves of that person's t shirt look like they have white on them?
I can see how it could look a bit like him though.

 

[?unknown?]

It’s hard to tell but the person in that photo looks female to me like the man’s grand daughter or even daughter. Also looks to have a lot lighter hair. What colour was Andrew Gosden’s hair ? It looks dark brown whereas that person seems to have much lighter brown almost ginger hair.

As a side note, does anyone know what happened about that person who went to a police station miles away and said he had info and then left? I’ve never understood why someone would show up at an actual police station to speak face to face to police, give his details etc if he was just hoaxing. Why not send a letter or do a phone call anonymously if you’re just looking for attention?Unless it was someone who was just mistaken. But if you sincerely believe you have information why not follow it up then?

 

[ekardh]

Are there two people in the background? I see two in the front and one in the background not facing us. ETA: Where is the 2nd person in the background?

Sorry, I didn't mean to type "couple", as there is only the one person.

Looking at random photos from that day is a long shot, but I like their thinking! You never know.

However, I do wonder if the person Andrew met would've wanted to parade around London if they had foul play in mind.

As a side note, does anyone know what happened about that person who went to a police station miles away and said he had info and then left? I’ve never understood why someone would show up at an actual police station to speak face to face to police, give his details etc if he was just hoaxing. Why not send a letter or do a phone call anonymously if you’re just looking for attention?Unless it was someone who was just mistaken. But if you sincerely believe you have information why not follow it up then?

Apparently, the same individual wrote to a TV show that had featured the case, claiming a possible sighting of Andrew in Shrewsbury. It's unconfirmed if this was the same guy or not.

 

[ChatteringBirds]

Don't the sleeves of that person's t shirt look like they have white on them?
I can see how it could look a bit like him though.

Don't both of the people's shirts have that "white" appearance near the sleeves, though, so could it be glare from the angle of the sun?

I also see the green on the shirt lower down below the rails.

 

[nacentaeons]

The timestamp of the original photo seems wrong. Sunset on Sept 14 2007 in London was at 19:17 and the exif data shows the time the picture was taken as 20:36:15 but the sun was clearly still shining in the picture. One explanation could be that the owner was a tourist that forgot to set the correct time for the UK.

This is a very good point. It is clearly the wrong time stamp. The person who took the photo was indeed a tourist. I will try to compare shadows and look at other clues to guess what time it was.

 

[nacentaeons]

Assuming the tourist who took the photo had their camera set correctly to the local time of the country of their origin (which appears to be North America i.e. UK -5 for NY to -8 for LA) that would make the actual time of the photo being taken as between 12:36:15 to 15:36:15. The length of the shadows indicate that the time is likely to be 15:36:15.

That would line up with other reported sightings.

 

[nacentaeons]

I have done a shadow simulation on this site: http:// shadowcalculator.eu

Contrary to my previous post the shadows in the photo appear to correspond with the photo being taken at 17:36:15.

 

[Aluev]

The location also ties in with the possible sighting *at Pizza Hut* in Covent Garden as the Trafalgar Square is very close. Also, Trafalgar Square is one of the top 10 visited places in London and a common meeting point.

The family believe the most plausible place him at Pizza Hut on Oxford Street on the day he went missing and later in Covent Garden.

Sorry I can't edit my post and delete the inaccuracy. The Pizza Hut sighting and the Covent Garden sighting were 2 different accounts. The Pizza Hut sighting was in Oxford street and was earlier than the Covent Garden sighting.