Found Deceased UK - Anthony Knott, 33, last seen at a pub in Lewes, Sussex, 20 Dec 2019 #2

[MingyMoo]

Yes, we do know. The police say that AK remains a 'high risk missing person' and they are continuing investigations, but they 'have called off any further searches for now as all areas have been covered three times over.’

https://metro-co-uk.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/metro.co.uk/2020/01/01/search-called-off-london-firefighter-disappeared-going-pub-11985262/amp/?usqp=mq331AQNKAGYAYvylKrQkNmxPA==&amp_js_v=a2&amp_gsa=1#referrer=https://www.google.com&ampshare=https://metro.co.uk/2020/01/01/search-called-off-london-firefighter-disappeared-going-pub-11985262/

As I said alternative thought only nothing more.

MingyMoo

 

[Officer Dibble]

@Angleterre in your opinion and experience, how many hours after the last cctv footage at 7.41 pm LE would have looked at?

Could AK have sat down somewhere in a dark alley or park, even fell asleep, and only after several hours continued to walk wherever he wanted to get to? But this later footage was never looked at?

I hadn't considered this either. Some great points from websleuthers today

 

[Officer Dibble]

I think he left the Lamb at 1916.

The closing time to buy a Euromillions ticket is 1930.

I’ve seen plenty of betting shop customers nip out for a ticket just before close of sales.

I just have a hunch that his departure wasn’t for cigarette reasons.

His phone running out of battery AND running out of cigarettes at the same time would be more mathematically unlikely.

If he was able to switch his phone back on, we are told he never did...therefore the battery must have gone or he wanted it off for reason(s) other than cigarettes. As I’ve said previously, if fully charged prior to leaving for the day, modern iPhone’s should perform all the tasks you need for 18 hours unless streaming video for longer than 180 mins.

Do we know if he wore a watch? Then if he see's the time he turns around/walks off somewhere as too late to buy a ticket?

 

[Rosegold68]

i can't get my head around a father of 4 actively choosing to be away from his kids over christmas.....but as said earlier, its gone oddly quiet

schools are back tomorrow, most people returned to work. his fiancee has to move on and carry on, take decorations down......re jig her life

 

[Rosegold68]

his sister in law has just re shared missing poster and replied to a comment saying 'no news unfortunately'

 

[ZsaZsa]

I saw where her sister in law has started fund raising for them. One of the uses for the money will be to hire a private detective.
It does sound like LE are drawing a blank if they feel the need to do this, doesn't it? Also does this sound more like a voluntary disappearance is being considered?
JMO.

 

[Officer Dibble]

For me I feel the phone was turned off by Anthony to save the battery for when he was getting home later.

I think he did go out to buy cigarettes.
I too am a smoker and I agree with @TranquilityBase, I also go out with my cigarettes and don't take 'extra packs' even on a night out. I would just buy some wherever I was.

You also do get asked ALOT for a cigarette from people when in pubs in the UK So makes sense he ran out.

MOO is he accidentally went into water somehow.

IF he has gone voluntarily missing and police are now aware and have made contact with him, then why would his fiancee keep up the desperate search?

Very sad case indeed and my prayers are with his family.

I would add one more thing IMO to the above - you step out to go somewhere (go buy cigs) and once out the cold hits you and you realise you need to pee. Where do you go to pee? Not every man will pee just anywhere. Yes I know he passes a pub but what if he was looking for somewhere secluded to pee after not finding somewhere to buy cigs, and something happened there/or he fell into water.

 

[Officer Dibble]

IF he has gone voluntarily missing and police are now aware and have made contact with him, then why would his fiancee keep up the desperate search?

how about its because he told police / missing people he did not want anyone finding out where he was and now everyone was looking for him he wanted it kept quiet - and maybe the partner agreed to this in the hope she could persaude him back, by not letting on? JMO but TBH I don''t believe this is the case at all.

 

[Officer Dibble]

As I said alternative thought only nothing more.

MingyMoo

What categorises 'High Risk' ?

 

[motherofdaughters]

I’m not sure I buy into the voluntarily missing theory, it’s an option of course, like all the others but it doesn’t ‘feel right for me.
For arguments sake, if he was voluntarily missing and had contacted the police to let them know he was safe. If he asked the police not to contact the family and let them know he’d made contact. Would they have to respect that even if it meant leaving them in limbo?

 

[SheCarrot]

i can't get my head around a father of 4 actively choosing to be away from his kids over christmas.....but as said earlier, its gone oddly quiet

schools are back tomorrow, most people returned to work. his fiancee has to move on and carry on, take decorations down......re jig her life

bbm
I was thinking of A's little kiddies , this morning - wondering if they'd be going back to school tomorrow . Whatever their understanding of it all , they must be totally confused and bewildered .
Heartbreaking .

 

[motherofdaughters]

What categorises 'High Risk' ?

High risk- The risk posed is immediate and there are substantial grounds for believing that the subject is in danger through their own vulnerability or (as a) victim of a serious crime..... the public is in danger.
From this article

http://www2.port.ac.uk/media/contac...ude-to-the-risk-assessment-process--final.pdf

 

[ZsaZsa]

I’m not sure I buy into the voluntarily missing theory, it’s an option of course, like all the others but it doesn’t ‘feel right for me.
For arguments sake, if he was voluntarily missing and had contacted the police to let them know he was safe. If he asked the police not to contact the family and let them know he’d made contact. Would they have to respect that even if it meant leaving them in limbo?

From what I have read in the past, LE notifies the family that they are satisfied that the person is OK, then will not divulge any more information about them.

 

[Scorpiette]

I'm a bit confused as to one of the photos of AK which has been photoshopped to add more facial hair...
What is the thinking behind this? He looks to be clean shaven on CCTV.
Is his family thinking he is still alive?

 

[Rosegold68]

all that worry and people putting themselves at risk during the searches......not to mention the money it all cost, and people donating cash to help.....to find he's missing voluntarily? i sincerely hope not!

 

[Rosegold68]

I'm a bit confused as to one of the photos of AK which has been photoshopped to add more facial hair...
What is the thinking behind this? He looks to be clean shaven on CCTV.
Is his family thinking he is still alive?

yes, it does seem like they are thinking he may be out there still with a beard by now

 

[guiser]

Hi Guiser. I've been following this thread for about a week now but reading your post has prompted me to sign up as it's the first time I've felt I could be of some use.

I'm not a Lewes resident, but live nearby and know the town very well. I'm almost 100% certain that it is not possible to see the Tesco from any point between The Lamb and The Elephant and Castle. Far too many densely packed terraced houses/shops in the way on the higher ground near The Lamb and The Elephant and Castle is some 10m downhill and again, surrounded by buildings and trees. To my knowledge, the closest view across the river to the Tesco in that vicinity is at the junction of North St/Stanley St/Wellington St.

Of course, one of the big mysteries of this case is where AK went between passing The Elly westwards at 19.17 (or 19.19 depending on account, more likely I think as he'd left The Lamb at 19.16) and then passing again eastwards at 19.36. Again, I'm sure there is no point to the west of the Elly where the Tesco is visible, even if he had headed north to the Pells area (far too many trees).

I do agree the most likely explanation for his leaving the group was to search for a cigarette selling shop - the fact that he is not smoking in the 19.19 cctv footage, 3mins after leaving The Lamb would suggest he had run out or was running low. It's a 'mission' I've had to make many times. It's also likely that with his battery running low (phone off at 19.21) he was unable to use Google maps for long enough to know he was going in the worst possible direction for finding a shop. Perhaps, at about 10 mins into the unknown time between 19.19 and 19.36 he asked someone for the nearest shop, hence him heading back in the way he'd come to head for the High Street in order to locate Waitrose? If I were giving a stranger directions, I would not tell them a quicker route down unfamiliar streets where they might get lost, I'd tell them where it was from a location they knew and could easily find.

Hi Walker.
Thanks for your considered reply.
I'm in Lewes most weeks but haven't been up to the Pells for maybe a decade and it could be twice that since I had a drink in the Elly.
I think we have to run with the 'popped out for cigarettes' theory at least until/unless the police or family choose to share some nugget of information they probably already have which might shed some light on why he left the pub and (crucially) why he switched his phone off (if he did) when he went outside.
You rightly point out that he wasn't smoking in the footage, whereas I imagine the first thing he'd do when leaving the pub would be to light up.
I beg to disagree on the issue of directions to Waitrose though.
If I'd been outside the Flea Market I'd have sent them down East Street (See that road on the right? Go down there and it's straight in front of you.) instead of towards the War Memorial (Go to the junction, turn left, go down the hill and turn left again and it's on your right).
Also, according to Google Earth, even if he'd got to the bottom of School Hill, Waitrose isn't visible from there.
Either way, he wouldn't have needed to go near the river.

 

[Rosegold68]

turned his phone off.....was thinking about this and i know nobody else agrees with me but it is likely he turned it off so cannot be tracked on the find my friends app (if he and his fiancee used it)

i believe he went with someone, and didnt want to be tracked. or he went off alone, again,didnt want to be found

 

[Sarahlou]

I'm a bit confused as to one of the photos of AK which has been photoshopped to add more facial hair...
What is the thinking behind this? He looks to be clean shaven on CCTV.
Is his family thinking he is still alive?

This statement from his partner always made me think that they felt that. Or hoped anyway.

'If... you're worried and you're thinking, 'Oh I can't come home, this is too big now', honestly, you don't realise how many people want you back regardless of the situation you left in - if that is the case. So just come home, please just come home.'

 

[SOMETHINGWILLDO]

If he went for cigarettes and is seen on cctv coming back towards the pub minus any cctv footage of him in shops buying cigarettes then I doubt he went for cigarettes - he would have been seen on cctv. I had a look through his fb posts, right back to 2000-god-knows-what & he definitely doesn’t come across as shy or quiet, quite the opposite, somewhat wild so even if he was lost trying to find cigarettes I would guess that he wouldn’t be too shy in asking more people for directions.
For me, for now anyway, I still think there’s been a falling out of some description between work ones or his partner, the lack of any information regarding how he was or what form he was in or the circumstances of him leaving the pub points to just that.

There have been no public appeals from work colleagues & the family haven’t been in the media as much, again, why? Is it because something has happened prior to him going missing which is leading the police to believe that he is missing but not an emergency? Who knows.

All I know is, there’s children who haven’t had their daddy around for Christmas, a woman is sitting there with no partner and it’s all very, very sad indeed. I don’t think he’s alive, not too many people would put their children through that, a partner maybe, but not children.