Deceased/Not Found UK - April Jones, 5, Machynlleth, Wales, 1 Oct 2012 #3 *M. Bridger guilty*

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And where is the northern side of Cardigan Bay where the girl 60 years ago was eventually found?

About 40 miles further north than they have been searching to date.

Are they searching there now too?

I don't know, but it was reported today that Prince William's RAF helicopter rescue team on Anglesey (which is not far from the spot where that girl was found 60 years ago was found) are now on stand-by, so it sounds as though they may be preparing to widen the search.
 
I think the essence of that story is true, but the standard of reporting by the Torygraph remains abyssmal.

Firsly, she couldn't have been swept 70 miles down the river, because there's only some 12 miles of river before it meets the sea. They mean that she could have been swept out to sea. I have said from the outset that I think this is a strong possibility.

Secondly, they are repeating the error that the coastguards are searching between Towyn and Borth. Towyn is on the coast of North Wales, not all that far from Liverpool. It is not in the frame at all. They mean Tywyn, just up the coast from the Dyfi estuary.

Repeating the error made by the police.....

http://www.dyfed-powys.police.uk/en/news/latest-news/201210/update-search-activity
 
Police: The search for missing April remains intense

Superintendent Ian John, of Dyfed Powys Police, has confirmed the high numbers of police searching for April Jones will remain over the weekend. He said searching will move away from the town of Machynlleth and spread to surrounding areas.

They are covering 60 square kilometres of ground and using Coastguard, RAF and specialist police units.

The search, he said, is constantly under review but right now it remains as intense as it has been all week. Because of this, he is certain they will find April at some point.

http://www.itv.com/news/2012-10-12/...r-old-april-jones-remains-intense-say-police/


I hope he did not really say this; there is no way to know if she will be found, no matter how intense and well-intended the search. We've had little kids missing for years in the US, never found, despite extensive searches and ideas of what happened. Their bodies are very small, and the world a big place, as one of our best-known child advocates over here says.
 
He has been in the Crown Court, on 10 October, Mr Justice Griffith-Williams presiding.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/oct/10/mark-bridger-remanded-court-april-jones
'Mr Justice Griffith-Williams said any decision about where any future trial would be held would be made after consultation with the victim's family.

The case was adjourned until 11 January while investigations continue, the court was told. Bridger was remanded into custody and no application for bail was made.

On Monday Bridger made his first appearance in public since his arrest, when he was taken before magistrates in Aberystwyth. A crowd gathered outside court and the van in which he was travelling was attacked as it arrived and departed. Bridger's eyes filled with tears as the charges were read out.

Magistrates said the charges were so serious that the case would have to be dealt with in a crown court. He was remanded into custody and driven to HMP Manchester, formerly known as Strangeways.

At that point it was made clear he did not need to appear in person for his first crown court appearance at Caernarfon, which is 60 miles north-west of Machynlleth and 100 miles from Manchester.'


www.lawlink.nsw.gov.au
'Until 1968 there was only one form of committal proceedings in England and Wales. This procedure, which is still used in some cases, requires that the justices hear the witnesses for the prosecution, whose evidence is recorded in the form of written depositions. The accused must be present and he may be legally represented. The defence may cross-examine witnesses. The accused may give evidence and he may call witnesses, but he need not say anything or produce any evidence. Usually the defence is reserved; that is to say, no indication is given of whether the case will be defended or what the defence may be at the trial. The justices then decide whether the accused ought to be committed for trial and whether he ought to be released on bail or kept in custody to await his trial.


In England and Wales the Criminal Justice Act 1967 (U.K.) introduced substantial changes in respect to committal proceedings. The relevant sections of the Act came into force on I January, 1968. Basically, the Act introduced a procedure whereby the accused can be committed for trial upon evidence contained only in written statements, without consideration of the evidence by the magistrates, provided that he is legally represented and consents to this procedure being followed. The Act also introduced substantial changes in regard to public access to, and publication of, committal proceedings.


Section I of the Act empowers the examining justices, or a magistrate, to commit the accused for trial, not only on the basis of written statements without oral evidence, but also without the justices or magistrate having considered the contents of the statements unless: (1) the accused, or one of several accused persons, is not represented; or (2) the legal representative of the accused, or of one of several accused persons, has requested the court to consider a submission that the statements disclose insufficient evidence to support a committal. The section provides a number of safeguards for the accused - for example, the written statements must comply with a prescribed form; all the evidence of the prosecution and defence (if any) before the court must consist of written statements; and all accused persons must be legally represented. The procedure cannot be used if the accused is a person under 17 years of age.

The main reason for approval from a Magistrate's Court is to ensure no-one is being held illegally on remand.

Once charged, he must appear before a Magistrate's Court to determine legal jurisdiction.

The charges themselves were serious enough to indicate such jurisdiction would be before a Crown Court

The first appearance via video at Caernarfon is classed as a pre-trial to accept jurisdiction and set a date for the accused to enter their plea and arrange case management based on that. If he pleads not guilty then a trial date will be set at a Crown Court. If he pleads guilty then a date for sentencing at Crown Court will be decided.

He will have had legal representation present or that would have raised issue with such serious allegations.

However, this due process is without prejudice.
 
For me, the change from "abduction" to "murder"was enough to sustain my belief in LE that the evidence is there. This came only 5 days after she went missing, which is unprecedented, almost, in the case of a missing child
 
The main reason for approval from a Magistrate's Court is to ensure no-one is being held illegally.

Once charged, he must appear before a Magistrate's Court to determine legal jurisdiction.

The charges themselves were serious enough to indicate such jurisdiction would be before a Crown Court

The first appearance via video at Caernarfon is classed as a pre-trial to accept jurisdiction and set a date for the accused to enter their plea and arrange case management based on that. If he pleads not guilty then a trial date will be set at a Crown Court. If he pleads guilty then a date for sentencing at Crown Court will be decided.

He will have had legal representation present or that would have raised issue with such serious allegations.

However, this due process is without prejudice.

So, we get back to the evidence.
 
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...dger-sobs-in-court-during-murder-hearing.html

Bridger was driven the short distance from Aberystwyth police station to the small, newly built court in the marina at 9.20am.

Three seats were reserved at the front of Court One for April's family, although they were too distraught to attend.

Nine reporters and three court artists filled the public gallery, while two plain-clothed police officers and Supt Ian John of Dyfed Powys Police sat behind the prosecutor and defence counsel.
 
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...dger-sobs-in-court-during-murder-hearing.html

Bridger was driven the short distance from Aberystwyth police station to the small, newly built court in the marina at 9.20am.

Three seats were reserved at the front of Court One for April's family, although they were too distraught to attend.

Nine reporters and three court artists filled the public gallery, while two plain-clothed police officers and Supt Ian John of Dyfed Powys Police sat behind the prosecutor and defence counsel.

Perfectly normal no? I'd expect representation for him there.
 
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...dger-sobs-in-court-during-murder-hearing.html

Bridger was driven the short distance from Aberystwyth police station to the small, newly built court in the marina at 9.20am.

Three seats were reserved at the front of Court One for April's family, although they were too distraught to attend.

Nine reporters and three court artists filled the public gallery, while two plain-clothed police officers and Supt Ian John of Dyfed Powys Police sat behind the prosecutor and defence counsel.

Sorry, I don't understand what point you are making with the highlighting :confused:
 
If poor little April was left on land rather than in the water, she could have been torn to pieces by scavenging foxes and be down their dens by now. However if she was swept into the sea, then it's more than likely her body will eventually wash up on a beach with the tides.
 
They are covering 60 square kilometres of ground and using Coastguard, RAF and specialist police units.

I wonder how they went about determining the radius of searching, i.e. 60 km.

How far could the accused have driven in the time between 19:00 on the evening of her dissapearance and the next day when he was first spotted (whatever time that was) ?

The exception would of course be in searching rivers, streams etc. because that can carry a body or evidence further than the place where it was put in the water.
 
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...dger-sobs-in-court-during-murder-hearing.html

Bridger was driven the short distance from Aberystwyth police station to the small, newly built court in the marina at 9.20am.

Three seats were reserved at the front of Court One for April's family, although they were too distraught to attend.

Nine reporters and three court artists filled the public gallery, while two plain-clothed police officers and Supt Ian John of Dyfed Powys Police sat behind the prosecutor and defence counsel.

He would have had a solicitor representing him from the start of his arrest.

If he did not know one, the Police would make one available, a duty solicitor, who would be present from the very first interview.
 
For me, the change from "abduction" to "murder"was enough to sustain my belief in LE that the evidence is there. This came only 5 days after she went missing, which is unprecedented, almost, in the case of a missing child

http://www.itv.com/news/2012-10-05/suspect-arrested-on-suspicion-of-april-jones-murder/Friday 5th October.

Dyfed Powys Police have been granted an additional 24 hours to question April Jones murder suspect Mark Bridger following a magistrates court hearing.

The 46-year-old covered his face with a blue blanket, as he was taken to Aberystwyth Magistrates Court this afternoon, as police applied for the extension.

Police officers now have until 5pm on Saturday to question the suspect. At that time officers will need to charge or release him. ITV News' Crime Correspondent Jon Clements understands the decision will be made well before the Saturday deadline.

Earlier today the 46-year-old was arrested on suspicion of the murder of missing five-year-old April Jones. He was was initially arrested on Tuesday afternoon on suspicion of her abduction.

ITV News understands that the decision to open a murder inquiry was made following the results of forensic tests received overnight.

and-
Hope died for many at 11.30am on Friday, when Chief Inspector Robyn Mason stood before 200 volunteers to say police were now looking for a body. There was stunned silence.
On Saturday night it became official - the forensic experts in the graveyard of the church of St Peter had been looking for clues to a killing.

The specially trained police dogs afloat in a dinghy on the swollen River Dyfi had been trying to sniff out an underwater body, not a living child.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...f-as-Mark-Bridger-is-charged-with-murder.html
 
Anybody has any idea how a solicitor would advice him at this point (or during the interviews)? Would he tell him to say nothing or tell everything? Can MB tell his solicitor the truth in confidence and still choose not to reveal anything to investigators?
 
I wonder how they went about determining the radius of searching, i.e. 60 km.

How far could the accused have driven in the time between 19:00 on the evening of her dissapearance and the next day when he was first spotted (whatever time that was) ?

The exception would of course be in searching rivers, streams etc. because that can carry a body or evidence further than the place where it was put in the water.

450-500 miles. Aberdeen and back possibly.
 
He would have had a solicitor representing him from the start of his arrest.

If he did not know one, the Police would make one available, a duty solicitor, who would be present from the very first interview.

Which again takes us back to the Criminal Procedure rules and evidence. He had defence counsel (John Hedgecoe) who did not submit to Justice Griffith-Williams that there was no case to answer.

Elwen Evans QC represented the prosecution. She told Mr Justice Griffith-Williams :"This is a case where you have had some considerable insight as to the nature of the case and the nature of the inquiries that are still ongoing. We would invite the court to adjourn for eight weeks for the preparation of papers."

The judge said the longer the delay in bringing the case to trial the more difficult it would be for young witnesses.

He said the trial at the moment would be at Caernarfon but he wanted to know the views of April's family and witnesses.

Mr Justice Griffith-Williams remarked :"There are a sufficient number of uncertainties to make it impossible for me to form a view as to when this case can be tried. But it should be understood it will be tried on the earliest possible date in the new year.

"I will be responsible for all case management decisions."

Defence counsel, John Hedgecoe, said : "We anticipate there is going to be an enormous amount of material in this case. We will require some time to absorb that material and for solicitors and leading counsel to see Mr Bridger in conference."

http://www.cambrian-news.co.uk/news/i/27529/
 
Anybody has any idea how a solicitor would advice him at this point (or during the interviews)? Would he tell him to say nothing or tell everything? Can MB tell his solicitor the truth in confidence and still choose not to reveal anything to investigators?

In the US, anyway, yes, he could even confess and the lawyer would have to keep quiet. But he would not be able to base his defense on anything that would be a direct untruth, if he knew otherwise.

Most likely, he is being advised to say nothing and await evidence. When Mickey Shunick's killer was presented with the evidence against him, he soon confessed and told LE where her body could be found. But of course, he was facing the potential of the death penalty.
 
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