Deceased/Not Found UK - April Jones, 5, Machynlleth, Wales, 1 Oct 2012 #6 *M. Bridger guilty*

[TulipaNoir]

He was with ED for 10 years!

I wonder if they were really that long together.

In the lottery article from 2008 ED was 27 with 2 children (8 & 6) by MB. She also had a 2 and a 1 y/o with RD.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/7626008.stm

This means that MB and her must have split up in 2006, perhaps earlier if some courting with RD is allowed for. So ED would have been about 25 when her and MB split.

If MB and ED had been together for 10 years, she must have been 15 when they got together? And MB would have been about 30?

Sloppy reporting?

 

[Marymead]

:cop: :cop: :cop:


I will be reposting several related Links as memory joggers for us and to allow for quicker access to the information in discussions. The Link below is one of two Links I will be posting regarding the circumstances of MB's arrest on Oct 2.


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Thanks for that. These will be so useful, I was wishing there was something like this as a quick aide memoir.

So many pieces of information to collate, and difficult to remember where one read/heard items especially as time goes on.

:gthanks:

 

[Cherwell]

From my experience, 'glowing report' just does not fit after three weeks at school. Am I the only one who feels this?

Impossible to say without knowing who said it (if anyone did) and in what context. I can certainly imagine someone saying "Well done, young lady, they gave you a glowing report!" Can't see that it's important one way or t'other, though.

ETA We do have to bear in mind that Welsh is the first language for many people in this part of Wales. So probably best not to over-analyse people's choice of words.

 

[Insp.Dots]

I wonder if they were really that long together.

In the lottery article from 2008 ED was 27 with 2 children (8 & 6) by MB. She also had a 2 and a 1 y/o with RD.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/7626008.stm

This means that MB and her must have split up in 2006, perhaps earlier if some courting with RD is allowed for. So ED would have been about 25 when her and MB split.

If MB and ED had been together for 10 years, she must have been 15 when they got together? And MB would have been about 30?

Sloppy reporting?

Hmmm....not 100%

I have written a rough relationship timeline from a collection of reports and interviews etc....

I had it as:

Met JW in 1989- split in 1992

Met ED in 1992/1993- split in 2003 (CB born 1999...SB born 2003)

Met CR some time between 2003-

Met VF 2010-split approx 24th oct 2012

i'm covered in bits of papers but I tried wherever possible to get these dates from reliable source, it's obviously not easy as we are relying on Media and police statements.

 

[Dirk Gently]

Yes, I totally agree with all of that, especially considering the very short distance between the bridge and the repair garage. Also think that there is a very goods chance he was 'friendly' with them due to the 'mechanic' mention and that there are few repair garages in the town that I can see.

If MB was something of a dab hand with a spanner and wrench then the issue with his LRD must have been out of the ordinary for him to take it to a garage for repair. What I don't understand though is how a man in financial difficulties with no fixed source of income could possibly afford to pay a garage to repair his vehicle. Clutch and gearbox work can easily run into many hundreds of pounds and the reports we have tend to suggest that one or the other had failed. It seems unlikely that a former mechanic (or competent amateur) would drop it in to a garage to ask the mechanics to diagnose the fault or simply ask them to inspect it and provide a quote. Chances are that he'd know exactly what the problem was and how much it was likely to cost him. If he was friendly with the mechanics then perhaps they allowed him to use their facilities and service his own vehicle?

 

[TulipaNoir]

Hmmm....not 100%

I have written a rough relationship timeline from a collection of reports and interviews etc....

I had it as:

Met JW in 1989- split in 1992

Met ED in 1992/1993- split in 2003

Met CR some time between 2003-

Met VF 2010-split approx 24th oct 2012

i'm covered in bits of papers but I tried wherever possible to get these dates from reliable source, it's obviously not easy as we are relying on Media and police statements.

I know it's hard to piece it together.

I doubt he got together with ED in 1992/1993. If she was 27 in 2008, that would mean she was 11/12 in 1992/1993.

Unless the lottery article gives the wrong age.

 

[Insp.Dots]

I know it's hard to piece it together.

I doubt he got together with ED in 1992/1993. If she was 27 in 2008, that would mean she was 11/12 in 1992/1993.

Unless the lottery article gives the wrong age.

Fair point....will have a look through my 'notes' when I've got a clearer train of thought....I am pretty happy with the end dates on that as it was said by a family member. It is difficult to pick out facts from the mountain of bad reporting and chinese whispers, but I do try!!
Will make this my homework after work tomorrow!:great:

 

[TulipaNoir]

Fair point....will have a look through my 'notes' when I've got a clearer train of thought....I am pretty happy with the end dates on that as it was said by a family member. It is difficult to pick out facts from the mountain of bad reporting and chinese whispers, but I do try!!
Will make this my homework after work tomorrow!:great:

You did very well! Thanks!

I would not be surprised if the BBC article on the lottery win gives the wrong age.

 

[Cherwell]

I would not be surprised if the BBC article on the lottery win gives the wrong age.

No, it's correct.

 

[Insp.Dots]

I know it's hard to piece it together.

I doubt he got together with ED in 1992/1993. If she was 27 in 2008, that would mean she was 11/12 in 1992/1993.

Unless the lottery article gives the wrong age.

Have just found a telegraph and standard report @ her being 42yrs now which would make original dates right. Need to look deeper to confirm this though.:seeya:

 

[bijoux]

A judge and Jury IF charges were/are bought relating to paedophilia, but nothing of that kind was mentioned in the charges?

Correct, there has been no mention of that charge yet, and hopefully there won't be, but I don't wish to rule out the possibility either, especially after having read this article:

According to The Abduction of Children by Strangers in Canada: Nature and Scope, there are 4 categories of abductors.

ABDUCTOR

Four categories of abductors have been classified by the United States' Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI). These are as follows:

1. Paedophiles &#8211; The people in this category constitute the single largest number of child abductors. Paedophiles seem to identify with children better than with adults which is the reason why they are able to seduce/lure children easily. They appear to understand the likes and dislikes of children and show a genuine concern for their well-being.
2. Profiteers &#8211; This is an individual who is a criminal exploiter who sells children to pornographers or adoption rings, mostly in the black-market industry.
3. Serial Killers &#8211; The actions of these individuals are methodical and ritualized, with power, dominance, and control as the most frequent motivator.
4. Childless Psychotics &#8211; These individuals tend to abduct children when there are unable to have children of their own or have lost a child and seek another to fill its place (Tedisco & Paludi, 1996).

Abductors are generally male and they tend to target victims within their own ethnic group. Their behavioural patterns seem to be dependent upon gender, motivation, and relationship to the victim. To explain further, female offenders rarely abduct for sexual gratification, or profit, but more for emotional satisfaction.

The majority of child abductors who murder their victims have a history of violence. The United States missing children homicide investigative study by Hanfland et al, (1997) revealed that 60% had prior arrests for violent crimes. Almost two-thirds of the killers who were strangers to the victims had committed prior crimes against children, whereas 41% of the child abduction killers who were friends and acquaintances of the victim had committed crimes against other children.

Hanfland et al, (1997) stated that when the child is abducted and murdered, "contrary to the popular belief, child killers are not aged perverts or dirty old men." The abductor's average age is around 27 years and much younger than the average killer. They are predominately unmarried (85%), half of them live alone or with their parents, half are unemployed, they have a history of sexual, alcohol, drug and mental problems, two thirds have been arrested for violent crimes with slightly half of these prior crimes against children, and many move or change residence often.

Definition of Stranger abduction/ kidnapping and foul play missing &#8211; this term refers to an abduction by anyone other than the subject's parent or guardian . In other words, the abductor may be a stranger an uncle, sister, cousin, grandfather, neighbour or close friend etc.

*att mods: if this post is deemed inappropriate, by all means snip*

 

[southernnana]

:cop: :cop: :cop:


Another reposted "memory jogger" Link on the arrest of MB on Oct 2. What was this man thinking ???

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/m...-but-fiveyearold-still-not-found-8194542.html
02 Oct 2012

A 46-year-old man has been arrested in connection with the disappearance of missing five-year-old April Jones.

Detective Superintendent Reg Bevan, from Dyfed Powys Police, said he was arrested in the Machynlleth area within the last hour,

"We made the arrest just outside Machynlleth and we are hopeful that this individual will assist us in locating April, who is still missing.

A long stretch of the A487 from Machynlleth northwards has been closed in both directions as part of the investigation, police said.

The Traffic Wales website said the area around the Dyfi bridge would be closed "until further notice".

"We knew he was in the area, we've been anxious to trace him and speak to him," he said.

Mr Bevan said: "He was on foot, he was walking on the side of the road and he was detained by officers and taken into custody.

"Officers have now recovered his vehicle, that was found in the Machynlleth area."

Detective Superintendent Reg Bevan, from Dyfed Powys Police, said: "We were pursuing a number of inquiries, some of those were searching addresses. We were looking for this individual so we knew who we were looking for and as a result we have had a number of patrols in the area and we have come across this individual."

He added that the force's priority remains finding the little girl alive.

"We will not focus all of our efforts just on this individual. He is significant clearly, that's why we've arrested him, but we will still be pursuing all other lines of inquiry."

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.... much more at Link

 

[PADDYWHACK]

Hmm. Not sure he is very promiscuous. He's a 46 year old man who has had a series of long term relationships. How many do we know about? 3 or 4? Seems that many of those connected with him have similar relationship histories and have children with previous partners or have had more than one partner/ marriage. Unless there something I have missed?

Thank you for raising that. How many of his previous partners had children before he arrived in their lives?

 

[TulipaNoir]

Thank you for raising that. How many of his previous partners had children before he arrived in their lives?

Phew, no idea.

All I know is 2 with JW, 2 with ED. I remember reading he had 5 kids. Also read he had 6 kids and even that he had 8 kids.

 

[PADDYWHACK]

I agree, those relationships are spread over a twenty odd year period, I wouldn't say that he seemed to have an excessive amount of ex-partners.

But those are just the ones we know about.

 

[PADDYWHACK]

Phew, no idea.

All I know is 2 with JW, 2 with ED. I remember reading he had 5 kids. Also read he had 6 kids and even that he had 8 kids.

I've also read he had 9, but it would be interesting to know how many had their own children before he got together with them.

 

[Insp.Dots]

No, it's correct.

Not arguing or doubting the point as I want to know as much as anyone, just wondered hpw you know it's correct?

 

[Cherwell]

Not arguing or doubting the point as I want to know as much as anyone, just wondered hpw you know it's correct?

I looked at the births index.

 

[Insp.Dots]

I've also read he had 9, but it would be interesting to know how many had their own children before he got together with them.

I can see where your thought are going and I pray to God you're wrong.
My reasoning against the Paedophillia is a mixture of reasons....all my own opinion and I know there are exceptions to the rule and the least likely people are convicted.

However, VF had 2 children JW and ED had none before meeting him. ED was with him a considerable length of time.

MOST people who have spoken over this case have said he seemed a decent enough fella, tried to fit in etc (which can be hard in a very Welsh town) he was reportedly good with his children and others, none of these kids that we know were uncomfortable in his company. No-one has come forward with evidence of a sexual nature (as far as we've heard) And usually something would VERY quickly be said either on social media or to reporters.

His ex ED kept a good relationship with him seeing the kids, none of the family had issues even Aprils Mother had complete trust in him.

I just feel we would have picked up on something by now if there was a sexual motive involved!

ALL MY OWN OPINION AND THOUGHTS/FEELINGS

 

[Insp.Dots]

I looked at the births index.

Thanks.....why didn't I think of that!!! :banghead:

Glad someones got some brains around here!!