GUILTY UK- Boy, 6, thrown from 10th floor of London Art Gallery, Aug 2019 *minor arrested*

[tresir2012]

The fact that the 17 year old threw the 6 year old off the roof isn’t in dispute.

Honestly I don’t think it matters whether the child was next to the mother or several feet away. I am sure we will hear more details later but throwing a child off the building under whatever the circumstances turn out to be is a horrific crime.

Initial reports said he had fallen. Other reports said ripped out of the woman's arm. The last one, which was from a court statement is likely the most accurate.

 

[tresir2012]

Would we know if he had been sectioned? If in detention/prison then they may not do it unless he becomes dangerous to himself or those around him as he is in a secure environment already. Hopefully, he is on a prison psych wing. My guess is he will be tried and end up in either Rampton or Broadmoor. A lawyer will make a lot of the mental illness.

Not sure if we would know or whether it would make a difference to the charges, I am just speculating. I think it said he was in a young offender prison.

 

[tresir2012]

There’s no disputing that you can refer to this person as a criminal, imo. The post you quoted is talking about referring to ALL people with mental illness.

The post I originally quoted was suggesting we shouldn't use words like 'normal people'. I was disagreeing and said we could use what words we wished. Then I was asked what words I would use and I answered. I'm sorry but I don't really understand your point.

 

[AnnesCuthberts]

The post I originally quoted was suggesting we shouldn't use words like 'normal people'. I was disagreeing and said we could use what words we wished. Then I was asked what words I would use and I answered. I'm sorry but I don't really understand your point.

Yes, and that post was in reference to how to refer to all people with mental illnesses. I interpreted your post in return that you can call them what you wish, i.e criminals, thus it seeming you mean all people with mental illness = criminals. I felt it was important to clarify that from my original reading of that conversation, the topic was around referring to people with mental illness as a whole and not this particular incident. Jmo. I could be interpreting wrong but imo this how I read it and no offence is meant.

 

[Candidateforwax]

Yes, and that post was in reference to how to refer to all people with mental illnesses. I interpreted your post in return that you can call them what you wish, i.e criminals, thus it seeming you mean all people with mental illness = criminals. I felt it was important to clarify that from my original reading of that conversation, the topic was around referring to people with mental illness as a whole and not this particular incident. Jmo. I could be interpreting wrong but imo this how I read it and no offence is meant.

That's exactly what I was talking about. Thanks, AnnesCuthberts

 

[tresir2012]

Yes, and that post was in reference to how to refer to all people with mental illnesses. I interpreted your post in return that you can call them what you wish, i.e criminals, thus it seeming you mean all people with mental illness = criminals. I felt it was important to clarify that from my original reading of that conversation, the topic was around referring to people with mental illness as a whole and not this particular incident. Jmo. I could be interpreting wrong but imo this how I read it and no offence is meant.

No that is a stretch and certainly not what I meant at all. No offence taken. I call someone a criminal if they appear to have committed a crime. Or have been convicted or charged with one. I just don't want to see the thread spending more time discussing mental health issues than the crime itself. It is verging on off topic IMO. With that enuff said I guess.

 

[AnnesCuthberts]

No that is a stretch and certainly not what I meant at all. No offence taken. I call someone a criminal if they appear to have committed a crime. Or have been convicted or charged with one. I just don't want to see the thread spending more time discussing mental health issues than the crime itself. It is verging on off topic IMO. With that enuff said I guess.

Yes definitely! I’ll admit my bias as I’m used to hearing much worse said about mental illnesses when they run deep in my family. But yes, that’s off topic, and agreed that the crime here is more important to talk about. In this case the prevention measures failed and a little boy got injured in such a traumatic way. I do hope his mum has a lot of support right now. It sounds petrifying what happened

 

[tresir2012]

The 6-Year-Old Thrown From Tate Modern's 10th Floor Survived the Fall. A Teenager Is Charged With His Attempted Murder

A little more info in here. Met police appealing for witnesses, investigating mental health aspect and viewing gallery closed (I guess it is a crime scene).

The victim still seems to be in a critical condition. :-(

Next court date Aug 22nd, no plea given yet.

 

[tresir2012]

That article I just read and posted has further articles below all about the Tate viewing galleries. This isn't the first time people have gone over the edge, apparently.

 

[IceIce9]

The 6-Year-Old Thrown From Tate Modern's 10th Floor Survived the Fall. A Teenager Is Charged With His Attempted Murder

A little more info in here. Met police appealing for witnesses, investigating mental health aspect and viewing gallery closed (I guess it is a crime scene).

The victim still seems to be in a critical condition. :-(

Next court date Aug 22nd, no plea given yet.

The little boy has a “deep bleed to the brain”

 

[Jackalyn]

Not sure if we would know or whether it would make a difference to the charges, I am just speculating. I think it said he was in a young offender prison.

Which may or may not mean enough psych help or understanding and you can get released from a sentence whereas if still thought to be a danger to self or others then they can section. It gets misused but the psych option could be safer as long as it is secure.

 

[RachelZachary]

Which may or may not mean enough psych help or understanding and you can get released from a sentence whereas if still thought to be a danger to self or others then they can section. It gets misused but the psych option could be safer as long as it is secure.

All the agencies and services work together and will be investigating and offering support. It’s interesting that he has been remanded into youth custody, rather than anywhere else, but I guess that would depend on if there was space for him in somewhere more specialised anyway. Sometimes they have specialist units within youth custody too. I’m guessing he would be in solitary confinement.

He’s due to appear at the Old Bailey today but I can’t see any updates - anyone know?

 

[Legally Bland]

At a hearing at the Old Bailey on Thursday, the recorder of London, Nicholas Hilliard QC, said the defendant would remain in custody in youth detention accommodation while awaiting trial.

Psychiatric reports are to be submitted by 31 October before a plea and preparation hearing on 7 November. A trial date of 3 February next year was agreed, and proceedings are expected to last two weeks.

Tate Modern incident: lawyers for accused seek psychiatric reports

 

[RachelZachary]

Thank you

 

[Isabelle98]

The little boy has a “deep bleed to the brain”

I fear his brain is seriously damaged....poor kid

 

[Isabelle98]

Criminal. I have already used it. He's been charged with attempted murder. If the child dies it will be murder. A child is criminally responsible from the age of 11, I think it is. Someone will correct me if I have that wrong. We cannot get around that and he will have to stand trial.

You're lucky in the UK. Here if you're under 14 you're not criminally responsible for what you do (even if you're the worst killer ever...)

 

[Sarahlou]

Criminal. I have already used it. He's been charged with attempted murder. If the child dies it will be murder. A child is criminally responsible from the age of 11, I think it is. Someone will correct me if I have that wrong. We cannot get around that and he will have to stand trial.

Criminal responsibility age is 10

 

[tresir2012]

Criminal responsibility age is 10

Yes thanks for correcting me, it is 10 for England and Wales. Scotland is 8 but criminal prosecution is 12. Ireland is 12 too but Northern Ireland is 10. This article is helpful explaining the differences.

Age of Criminal Responsibility | NIACRO

 

[Blondie in Spokane]

Five-year-old thrown from third floor of a mall RETURNS home after stranger's attack over rejections | Daily Mail Online

 

[CoverMeCagney]

Five-year-old thrown from third floor of a mall RETURNS home after stranger's attack over rejections | Daily Mail Online

I wonder how our Tate boy is doing, can't find any updates aside from his injuries - broken back, arms and legs, poor little fella.

There was another incident there yesterday when a woman climbed over the balcony threatening to jump. Time to glass it all in, I think. Can't have one of the country's biggest tourist attractions doubling up as a suicide spot.