Found Deceased UK - Caroline Everest, 18, Sheffield, 22 Nov 2015

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sandamanda said:
Thats true skibaboo, could well be an error by the DM,, but then again would a reporter be allowed that close in the video if it was the exact spot?
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I think it looks like the info from Danny Savage is accurate. (See above tweets)
 
This case has moved very fast since last night struggling to get my head a round it

Note if she had to walk past a Waitrose & Petrol Station would they not have CCTV of her walking especially the petrol station? They normally stay open till very late

if if she was new to the area I could see she might get lost but that area is in the opposite of where she was heading? It's cold she had no coat why not flag down a taxi?

it could well open up the "Spiked Drink" theory again



Tragic RIP Caroline
 
@itvcalendar: Flowers left near river where officers searching for Caroline Everest found body https://t.co/7VsnRLMu3k #Sheffield https://t.co/asqENG9c8V

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Tealgrove said:
Just to add to the discussion regarding the fact that Caroline was removed from the Club in an intoxicated state, I went googling this morning as I recalled an event here in Ontario from several years ago.

In Ontario, even a house party giver, has a responsibility to stop serving and can be held liable should anything happen to the guest should they leave their home intoxicated.

Bars have also been held liable but not to same degree. Bars must stop serving but there seems to be a line drawn between intoxication and being drunk. If a person is incapable of caring for themselves then the Bar must assist or can be held liable if something happens once the patron leaves the bar. If a person is just drunk then the same liability doesn't seem to be present.

The difficulty is that how does one determine by observing whether a person is "intoxicated" vs. drunk?

From a strictly ethical point of view which is MOO I don't think anyone in a drunk state; should be heaved out of a bar or club without calling a cab, giving an address ,and somehow assisting that person to get home safely. It's the least that can be done.
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Bars here in England will not serve if you appear to have had enough.....but it's impossible to tell sometimes as everyone reacts/acts differently to alcohol.

Have you ever tried assisting a FRIEND home in a cab when badly drunk?? Good luck with that if you try with a friend who disagrees with going home;)

Door staff/Security are well trained and work with Police these days......unlike in my 'young' days.

To observe a few points from other posts......

Taxis/private hire ....one is pre booked only,one can stop anywhere if hailed.

If drunk leaving a club it is without doubt likely you could walk anywhere/route......I done it regularly when young and walked all over the place......cold has no effect,you just think walking will warm me up and off you go. I feel there's a huge lack of realization about how people act when drunk...particularly (1st year) students.

Spiking drinks of a stranger is as common as Rocking-Horse manure.....happens one in a million but claimed as an excuse for any bad behavior;) friends adding/mixing drinks a bit more common (but only at student prices!)

For us Brits and US posters in this thread....it needs remembering that that are no 'no-go' areas in England (despite what a US politician said recently) just 'best avoidable if you can' ....our worst areas in England are like a picnic in the Whitehouse garden under armed surveillance compared to the worst parts of major US cities.....our perception of likely crime is different because of this.....Maybe wrong but would be more than shocked if this was a crime.

"does it look like a river you could fall in"........REALLY, tell me what that looks like? lol
 
It feels like theres more to this than meets the eye...

Dont know if SHSU Crime Reduction are one step ahead today or just over reading things,, but just came across this tweet...

SHSU Crime Reduction ‏@SHSUCrimeAware 23m23 minutes ago
Following recent events in the Ecclesall Road area, we have a number of free personal alarms available for students from our office at 1/2
 
Why do you think the police are doing such a thorough search of all the bushes around the area? (per Danny Savage video posted a few mins ago). Surely if they knew by now she had simply fallen in and drowned in which case her belongings such as phone and purse would be with her? What are they looking for?
 
CoverMeCagney said:
Why do you think the police are doing such a thorough search of all the bushes around the area? (per Danny Savage video posted a few mins ago). Surely if they knew by now she had simply fallen in and drowned in which case her belongings such as phone and purse would be with her? What are they looking for?
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That's why I think that there is more to this than meets the eye. I could be wrong though. Didn't someone on this thread read comments from a few people saying something along the lines of "hope they find the b*****d who did this?" [emoji53]


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CoverMeCagney said:
Why do you think the police are doing such a thorough search of all the bushes around the area? (per Danny Savage video posted a few mins ago). Surely if they knew by now she had simply fallen in and drowned in which case her belongings such as phone and purse would be with her? What are they looking for?
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Probably just standard procedure as the area around where the body found is treated as a crime scene. We're probably looking at the latest in a long list of intoxicated young people falling into bodies of water, but all bases have to be covered in case the post mortem ends up showing she was stabbed to death or something (please note I do not think this will be the case, it's just an example!)
 
They do a thorough search to 'prove beyond reasonable doubt' that it was or wasn't a crime.....finding or not finding a purse etc 'proves' nothing. They need some evidence if they can get it for either scenario.

...beat me to it !!
 
NatalieLouiseXx said:
That's why I think that there is more to this than meets the eye. I could be wrong though. Didn't someone on this thread read comments from a few people saying something along the lines of "hope they find the b*****d who did this?" [emoji53]


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That was me who'd seen that kind of comment though it hadn't come from a local and I think some people do just assume the worst ...

It's good to see the South Yorkshire Police doing a thorough job!
 
CoverMeCagney said:
Why do you think the police are doing such a thorough search of all the bushes around the area? (per Danny Savage video posted a few mins ago). Surely if they knew by now she had simply fallen in and drowned in which case her belongings such as phone and purse would be with her? What are they looking for?
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It's far too early for them to be sure that she simply fell in and drowned. There's been no time for forensic or PM results.
They won't yet have ruled out the possibility that she was picked up by somebody and, well I needn't go on. :(
 
Items of clothes removed (if Thats the case with what as happened here!) can also leave clues as well
 
Cherwell said:
It's far too early for them to be sure that she simply fell in and drowned. There's been no time for forensic or PM results.
They won't yet have ruled out the possibility that she was picked up by somebody and, well I needn't go on. :(
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They'd know if she was stabbed, shot, strangled, beaten. If I was American I'd be saying my hinky meter's going off.

I suppose we've just got to wait for confirmation either way, but even if they say it's just a tragic accident I will forever wonder what on earth she was doing in that area. It just seems unlikely for her to have got all that way without realising she wasn't heading home. The good news is there will be CCTV and witnesses if she walked along those dual carriageways, somebody must have driven past her even at that hour in the morning.
 
CoverMeCagney said:
They'd know if she was stabbed, shot, strangled, beaten. If I was American I'd be saying my hinky meter's going off.
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I'm inclined to agree, but it's not always obvious. A head injury could be deliberately inflicted, or equally be the result of an accidental fall. A stab wound might not be immediately obvious either, as the blood might have been washed away.

I suppose we've just got to wait for confirmation either way, but even if they say it's just a tragic accident I will forever wonder what on earth she was doing in that area. It just seems unlikely for her to have got all that way without realising she wasn't heading home. The good news is there will be CCTV and witnesses if she walked along those dual carriageways, somebody must have driven past her even at that hour in the morning.
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Yes, time will tell.
 
annablume said:
Sheffield is her home town though. So she would have a better idea of the areas and big land marks and stores etc (even if she hasn't been in that area much) than a student from out of town.
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Everything looks different in the dark though.
 
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