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Re Oxer lapse in memory did it go something like this “ but I mentioned the fact she told me she was with a ‘boyfriend’”
“Hmm ... there is no record of you telling us this info previously “
If the interview was conducted like my own interview fhs... nothing was being recorded on paper nor on tape!!!
But would Galloway not just accentuate the positive and say "That we have interviewed a colleague and he has revealed the following" Rather than lying and putting his reputation at risk.

Did Oxer not also agree in Ch 5 prog that he remembered a year later?
 
it would be easier as you say to optimise number of trucks returned to fly into Glasgow, Campbells hometown from Cyprus. Police appear to be remaining silent over how Claudia got to work on Morning of 17th. probably because Oxer, for whatever reason decided not to reveal the "All nighter" until a year after she went missing.
Should Oxer be interviewed again for this big lapse in memory and strange last minute change in direction on the morning of Claudias disappearance?
Yes flying would be an option but a vehicle would offer more options if he was involved in contraband cigarettes, drugs, people or other into the UK.
Did he smoke and if he did what brand did he favour?
 
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But would Galloway not just accentuate the positive and say "That we have interviewed a colleague and he has revealed the following" Rather than lying and putting his reputation at risk.

Did Oxer not also agree in Ch 5 prog that he remembered a year later?
You got me there !as far as I know the information was the ‘bone’ thrown at us for her anniversary I don’t think they let us know how long they had the information.
Plus ,I would have thought they would ask pointed questions to the likes of family and SC and JK BEFORE they give it to the general public.
Hmm I expected you and others to ask me why I was interviewed and why on earth they do not put pen to paper/ or tape the conversation .
You ring insurance company or others And you get the message that this conversation is being recorded for training peruses etc .
Especially when you consider 1000’s of interviews and conversations were happening .
Golloway himself might not be aware of things !
 
You got me there !as far as I know the information was the ‘bone’ thrown at us for her anniversary I don’t think they let us know how long they had the information.
Plus ,I would have thought they would ask pointed questions to the likes of family and SC and JK BEFORE they give it to the general public.
Hmm I expected you and others to ask me why I was interviewed and why on earth they do not put pen to paper/ or tape the conversation .
You ring insurance company or others And you get the message that this conversation is being recorded for training peruses etc .
Especially when you consider 1000’s of interviews and conversations were happening .
Golloway himself might not be aware of things !

There appears to be quite major flaws in how the case was handled by the first investigating team, although to me a lot of the things would have been normal procedures of investigation. Even with the DM review of the case things have again stalled. The elephant in the room for me is that there is a major problem or a controversal issue which is obviously present within this case but is avoided as a subject for discussion.
Did CL's policeman boyfriend feature more in all this than police are prepared to disclose..Were the police involved in a much bigger operation around the the NH and possibly Europe (maybe Cyprus) and full disclosure of this would jeopardise their operational cover and possible criminal contacts co operating with them
Just my thoughts....
 
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There appears to be quite major flaws in how the case was handled by the first investigating team, although to me a lot of the things would have been normal procedures of investigation. Even with the DM review of the case things have again stalled. The elephant in the room for me is that there is a major problem or a controversal issue which is obviously present within this case but is avoided as a subject for discussion.
Did CL's policeman boyfriend feature more in all this than police are prepared to disclose..Were the police involved in a much bigger operation around the the NH and possibly Europe (maybe Cyprus) and full disclosure of this would jeopardise their operational cover and possible criminal contacts co operating with them
Just my thoughts....
Yes I agree about the Elephant
Let’s substitute other words for Elephant ...Cl agent ?
Cuba ?
Drugs investigation?
Royalty ?
Counterfeiting ?
Other murders?
Major blander in first few weeks of the investigation ?
 
There appears to be quite major flaws in how the case was handled by the first investigating team, although to me a lot of the things would have been normal procedures of investigation. Even with the DM review of the case things have again stalled. The elephant in the room for me is that there is a major problem or a controversal issue which is obviously present within this case but is avoided as a subject for discussion.
Did CL's policeman boyfriend feature more in all this than police are prepared to disclose..Were the police involved in a much bigger operation around the the NH and possibly Europe (maybe Cyprus) and full disclosure of this would jeopardise their operational cover and possible criminal contacts co operating with them
Just my thoughts....
Maybe at the time, but can't still have whatever undercover investigation going 11 years later
 
Yes flying would be an option but a vehicle would offer more options if he was involved in contraband cigarettes, drugs, people or other into the UK.
Did he smoke and if he did what brand did he favour?
You know we keep thinking that if the police find a match to that cig dna that would be it.
This would not be correct .It would Not be proof he / she hurt her.Its possible she could have picked up a hitch hiker .
Also sorry officer I was having an affair with her and since I know I did not hurt her what is the point of putting myself and my family in the spot light ?
 
Maybe at the time, but can't still have whatever undercover investigation going 11 years later
I dont see any of the people at the NH or their associates ever being arrested and charged even after Dai Malyn's review of the case 7 Years since they all appear to be living their lives as before.
You have to ask who are the people being protected here.
Maybe we will have to wait until someone retires before the full story comes out if thats the case we could be waiting a very long time.
Operational investigation its not always about catching the people involved because within the criminal fraternity other criminals rise through the ranks causing changes (so even banging someone up doesnt solve a lot he will either be replaced or has a network around him to carry on the his work when hes in jail)
Its more about the monitering the networks and the people within them these networks are forever changing and growing and this information for police in this type of work is extremely important..And Unfortunately when someone on the fringes of these networks dies the importance of the the work they are doing and the people carrying it out has to be protected.
I am not saying Claudia was directly involved in criminal activities but more that her death may have been caused by a person who was.
Claudia was said to be naive and its like Ray Galloway said and I think Dai Malyn agreed Claudia's life was complex I think some of the people she chose to asscoiate with made her life complex.
She liked to drink to excess and said things she would later regret. I would go back to the 13th March at the NH on Gold cup day when she was very drunk and SC was said not to have socialised with her but stood at the bar not in her company. Did Claudia spill out something that day she shouldnt have, was the problem she was helping JK the problem because of the major stink CL had caused by what she said and JK's partner and other major figures in that group were furious putting JK in the front line to address it with Claudia which she did on CL 15th March visit to the NH, did this erupt into another major argument which is why that visit turned out to be her last to the NG.. So was CL now a loose cannon. Did the situation prompt a visit from a more senior member of the network (maybe from Cyprus?) who could handle it. Was the purchase of vans just part of a cover for him being in the UK. Its has been said he had a relationship with CL even though he has denied this I believe he may well have had some influence over her. Was he the mystery lover on the nite of the 16th was it planned to try and sweetener up before returning on the evening of 17th to use threatening behaviour towards her regarding what she had said in the NH and that this would not be tolerated. (Claudias ex boyfriend said he was intimidating and not the sort of person you would want to get on the wrong side of)
Did he leave there feeling CL was not to be trusted to keep her mouth shut when drunk and so was another plan was put in place for the morning of the 18th that would include invloving the major players at the NH and their local knowledge for dipsosing of the problem permanently.
 
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Re Oxer lapse in memory did it go something like this “ but I mentioned the fact she told me she was with a ‘boyfriend’”
“Hmm ... there is no record of you telling us this info previously “
If the interview was conducted like my own interview fhs... nothing was being recorded on paper nor on tape!!!
But would Galloway not just accentuate the positive and say "That we have interviewed a colleague and he has revealed the following" Rather than lying and putting his reputation at risk.

Did Oxer not also agree in Ch 5 prog that he remembered a year later?
There appears to be quite major flaws in how the case was handled by the first investigating team, although to me a lot of the things would have been normal procedures of investigation. Even with the DM review of the case things have again stalled. The elephant in the room for me is that there is a major problem or a controversal issue which is obviously present within this case but is avoided as a subject for discussion.
Did CL's policeman boyfriend feature more in all this than police are prepared to disclose..Were the police involved in a much bigger operation around the the NH and possibly Europe (maybe Cyprus) and full disclosure of this would jeopardise their operational cover and possible criminal contacts co operating with them
Just my thoughts....
pretty spot on
 
I dont see any of the people at the NH or their associates ever being arrested and charged even after Dai Malyn's review of the case 7 Years since they all appear to be living their lives as before.
You have to ask who are the people being protected here.
Maybe we will have to wait until someone retires before the full story comes out if thats the case we could be waiting a very long time.
Operational investigation its not always about catching the people involved because within the criminal fraternity other criminals rise through the ranks causing changes (so even banging someone up doesnt solve a lot he will either be replaced or has a network around him to carry on the his work when hes in jail)
Its more about the monitering the networks and the people within them these networks are forever changing and growing and this information for police in this type of work is extremely important..And Unfortunately when someone on the fringes of these networks dies the importance of the the work they are doing and the people carrying it out has to be protected.
I am not saying Claudia was directly involved in criminal activities but more that her death may have been caused by a person who was.
Claudia was said to be naive and its like Ray Galloway said and I think Dai Malyn agreed Claudia's life was complex I think some of the people she chose to asscoiate with made her life complex.
She liked to drink to excess and said things she would later regret. I would go back to the 13th March at the NH on Gold cup day when she was very drunk and SC was said not to have socialised with her but stood at the bar not in her company. Did Claudia spill out something that day she shouldnt have, was the problem she was helping JK the problem because of the major stink CL had caused by what she said and JK's partner and other major figures in that group were furious putting JK in the front line to address it with Claudia which she did on CL 15th March visit to the NH, did this erupt into another major argument which is why that visit turned out to be her last to the NG.. So was CL now a loose cannon. Did the situation prompt a visit from a more senior member of the network (maybe from Cyprus?) who could handle it. Was the purchase of vans just part of a cover for him being in the UK. Its has been said he had a relationship with CL even though he has denied this I believe he may well have had some influence over her. Was he the mystery lover on the nite of the 16th was it planned to try and sweetener up before returning on the evening of 17th to use threatening behaviour towards her regarding what she had said in the NH and that this would not be tolerated. (Claudias ex boyfriend said he was intimidating and not the sort of person you would want to get on the wrong side of)
Did he leave there feeling CL was not to be trusted to keep her mouth shut when drunk and so was another plan was put in place for the morning of the 18th that would include invloving the major players at the NH and their local knowledge for dipsosing of the problem permanently.
If a major argument erupted and CL was a loose cannon surely others would have noticed and heard ?
 
There appears to be quite major flaws in how the case was handled by the first investigating team, although to me a lot of the things would have been normal procedures of investigation. Even with the DM review of the case things have again stalled. The elephant in the room for me is that there is a major problem or a controversal issue which is obviously present within this case but is avoided as a subject for discussion.
Did CL's policeman boyfriend feature more in all this than police are prepared to disclose..Were the police involved in a much bigger operation around the the NH and possibly Europe (maybe Cyprus) and full disclosure of this would jeopardise their operational cover and possible criminal contacts co operating with them
Just my thoughts....
The elephant in the room could simply be the Dvd not just cL reputation but one of ‘the ten’ could be vip !
Incidentally Neil Root mentions ‘ten’ men that the police have / were trying to identify !
Ps Neil Root’s comment came well before Union_Jane’s revelation
 
The elephant in the room could simply be the Dvd not just cL reputation but one of ‘the ten’ could be vip !
Incidentally Neil Root mentions ‘ten’ men that the police have / were trying to identify !
Ps Neil Root’s comment came well before Union_Jane’s revelation
Yes-It May well have come before Union_Jane but was so bland and non descriptive it could have been about anything because the book was published after the author had it well scrutinised by those in control.
 
Yes-It May well have come before Union_Jane but was so bland and non descriptive it could have been about anything because the book was published after the author had it well scrutinised by those in control.
Agreed “for heaven’s sake don’t mention the dvd and don’t mention Cuba just say ‘and at least one other country’ okay Neil ?
 
Agreed “for heaven’s sake don’t mention the dvd and don’t mention Cuba just say ‘and at least one other country’ okay Neil ?
When the truth outs-There will be many embarrassed people.
The Prima-donnas TV documentary time will be over.
But this will not change the fact that poor Claudia is dead.
Perhaps they would rather not know.
 
When the truth outs-There will be many embarrassed people.
The Prima-donnas TV documentary time will be over.
But this will not change the fact that poor Claudia is dead.
Perhaps they would rather not know.
Hmm MajorLang do they know or don’t they?
 
They certainly send out signals that more is known than is being shared
I would really be very surprised if they do not know more but ‘share’ with us or the police ?
They might know things but not aware how important these things really are.
Perhaps they do not want to help the police with the exception of CL’s case .
 
If a major argument erupted and CL was a loose cannon surely others would have noticed and heard ?
Because of the nature of its content I believe the conversation would have been held in another room in the NH well away from the main bar.
But I think some people at the NH were aware of what CL had said, they would have definately felt the tensions rising, they just decided to keep out of it and not get involved
 
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