UK UK - Corrie McKeague, 23, Bury St Edmunds, 24 September 2016 #1

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The fact that the phone is old is exactly my point. If Corrie has went awol then he'd more than likely want a mobile with him and not an old one. As I previously said, he could've taken the battery out of the Nokia Lumia and is now using a new phone. It would be interesting to know if he bought a new phone recently but then again, if it was perfectly staged then he would have purchased it outside of town and paid cash. Just me thinking out loud.

Yes it would be interesting to know. I assumed this was an accident or foul play at first but now theres been nothing found for so long I think this is a strong possibility.
 
Look at poor Adrian Lynch...he was under the searchers noses the whole time.

The only differences between the two, I feel, is Corrie is getting alot more media attention and many more resources are being used to find him maybe due to his line of work. So I would have expected them to have found him by now. But in saying that they have continually stressed that they no longer believe he is in Bury or the vicinity, so where exactly should they search. Where are you Corrie?
 
Look at Adrian...he was under the searches noses all along.

The only differences between the two I feel is Corrie is getting alot more media attention and many more resources are being used to find him...maybe due to his line of work. So I would have expected them to have found him by now. But saying that they are saying they believe he is no longer in Bury, so where exactly should they search. Where are you Corrie?

I didn't know of Adrian until seeing him on this thread however your right, search, search and search again. He could still be close by.
 
I didn't know of Adrian until seeing him on this thread however your right, search, search and search again. He could still be close by.

Adrian had half of Jersey out looking for him and was found 8 months later in a reservoir just 100m from where he was last seen. He may not have the police or media coverage (being off the mainland and with limited resources) but I don't think the people of Jersey could have done much more, phenomenal efforts in searching every field and garden. Sadly, it takes more than the public to search a large body of water.

Do we know if water has been searched this time? I noticed an S shaped pond/lake about half way between BSE and Honington.
 
Adrian had half of Jersey out looking for him and was found 8 months later in a reservoir just 100m from where he was last seen. He may not have the police or media coverage (being off the mainland and with limited resources) but I don't think the people of Jersey could have done much more, phenomenal efforts in searching every field and garden. Sadly, it takes more than the public to search a large body of water.

Do we know if water has been searched this time? I noticed an S shaped pond/lake about half way between BSE and Honington.

I hadn't heard of Adrian Lynch either until he was mentioned upthread and I looked him up. My strongest theory at the moment is still tragic accident and the searchers just haven't found the right place yet.

The phone pings are a confusing factor but a drunk person and his phone are easily separeted either by accident or theft so imo the nor necessarily relevant to wherever Corrie now. I also don't read much into the type or age of the phone, not everyone is bothered about the latest model or maybe he had a more expensive phone and it broke or got lost and the Nokia was a temp one.

I agree that attention needs to be paid to bodies of water
 
Adrian had half of Jersey out looking for him and was found 8 months later in a reservoir just 100m from where he was last seen. He may not have the police or media coverage (being off the mainland and with limited resources) but I don't think the people of Jersey could have done much more, phenomenal efforts in searching every field and garden. Sadly, it takes more than the public to search a large body of water.

Do we know if water has been searched this time? I noticed an S shaped pond/lake about half way between BSE and Honington.

I am not sure if they have been searched but I am going to check it out now on the map. See whats round and about.
 
FWIW this is what I managed to put together, mostly from family info:

http://shadwellsblog.blogspot.co.uk/2016/10/timeline-corrie-mckeague.html

Location links click through to streetview - if you click on the last sighting location you'll get an idea why bin lorries became a factor early on. Media and police are coy about identifying this location, perhaps because it invites immediate conclusions. Why did he go into that area? At a guess he simply woke up needing a pee and was looking for somewhere out of sight of the street.
 
FWIW this is what I managed to put together, mostly from family info:

http://shadwellsblog.blogspot.co.uk/2016/10/timeline-corrie-mckeague.html

Location links click through to streetview - if you click on the last sighting location you'll get an idea why bin lorries became a factor early on. Media and police are coy about identifying this location, perhaps because it invites immediate conclusions. Why did he go into that area? At a guess he simply woke up needing a pee and was looking for somewhere out of sight of the street.
What conclusions do you mean? It's the back of some shops with some bins. Am I missing something?
 
Truly a bizarre disappearance indeed (but, I guess they all are, in reality).


Some thoughts that having been fully explained so far.


They say that Corrie left camp at 11.00pm/11.15pm (he had spoken to his brother and he reported that he was in good spirits).
He arrived in BSE and parked up, no doubt with the intention of collecting his car sometime later the next day (but where ? That may be relevant).


Corrie then goes off to meet his mates in a nightclub....and then at 1.20am he is seen by CCTV cameras. The footage which has been released.
My thoughts on hearing the "timeline" to this point is, he sure has had a few drinks in such as short space of time. Lets say he was in BSE at 11.30pm and in the club. It is under two hours later that he is outside that club....and "crashes out" in a doorway.
I would accept that on leaving the camp, by car, he had not had a drink. I can't imaging the Guard Room allowing him to pass through in a car, in anyway under the influence of alcohol. So what happened to Corrie between 11.30pm and 1.20am ?
And does that indeed have anything to do with his disappearance.


Corrie was picked up by CCTV at 1.20am. From a quick search of the web, it appears that BSE has 61 cameras in the "city centre". A possibility is that Corrie would not be picked up by any other cameras if he walked toward his base from where he was.
For example, Short Brackland, Cannon Street, across the round-a-bout there and then up past the railway station (which does have camera, but not on the main road).
That puts you on the A1101. From there you can travel directly to Barton Mills OR turn off on to the B1106, which will eventually (and with some twists and turns) lead you to the RAF Honington.
Basically, there is no CCTV in all that area, that would have picked him up. However, I don't know if "traffic cameras" come under "CCTV", nor do I know if there are any on that route which are constantly on (or indeed, if they would be pointing in his direction). At this point, I suspect not.


The phone "pings". They suggest at least Corrie's mobile phone was in the Barton Mills or Mildenhall area. Triangulating "pings" is an exact science. It produces a "within this large geographic area" type answer. Still, it is enough to suggest that, at least the mobile phone was transported by a motor vehicle.
If at 4.00am, mobile phone "ping" data suggest Corrie and his phone were in the BSE, and by 4.30am the same "ping" data suggests his mobile phone at least were a "twenty minute drive" up the road.... then "whatever happened" appears to have happened between "Corrie leaving the doorway of Hughes and at least Half an Hour into his walk home". Basically "pretty earlier on" into his journey.


Which brings me back to his car. At 3.24am Corrie is facing "at least" a "2hr 40min" walk, through some very quiet and unlit roads. RAF Regiment or not, it isn't a "pleasant end" to a Friday night. Especially after spending 2hrs in a doorway.
Maybe he felt better after his doorway kip. Maybe he didn't have any cash on him, only cards. Maybe he was use to walking back to base in the wee small hours of the morning.
Maybe he was heading to his car for a kip. It all depends where it was parked. If it was in the "opposite direction" to his travel, then it's safe to say "he had no intention of him sleeping in it". If it's not, then it could be "50/50" whether or not he was going to sleep in it...depending how "bad" he was feeling (and no CCTV has been released pertaining to his condition at 3024am).


The "logical" place to get a taxi at that time in the morning, is the railway station. There are cash machines there, there are toilets and I think trains run to and from London from 5.00am (not sure on a Saturday). But it's on Corrie's way home.
It is also about "a ten minute" walk away (a slightly longer stagger, perhaps).
Note...there is CCTV at the station. But he wasn't seen there.
The "other thing" worthy of note is, he bought "fast food". And that "aint cheep". I would suspect he did have cash on him....or "at least enough" to get home by taxi.


So lets say the other option was "walk it". And it's his only option.
About 20 minutes from Hughes doorway (and I don't now what condition he is in at this time) Corrie would have reached the A1101 / B1106 divide. As I mentioned above, from here you would get to Barton Mills in about "20 mins" by car or you would "turn right" and head towards RAF Honington.
That area "maybe" crucial, in finding out what happened to Corrie.


On the mobile phone ceasing to transmit a "ping".
Was the battery removed ? Did the battery run out of juice ? Was it placed somewhere it would no longer be able to transmit. All three options are "possibilities".
What can be said is, "it did reach the Barton Mills / Mildenhall area. And it reached it faster than a person walking".
Given the three possibilities above, I would tend to rule out "the battery being removed".
And I think that, if that was the case, coupled with the fact that there has been no "claim or event by a terror group", a "terrorist abduction" can be ruled out.


The "elephant in the room" is, has Corrie been murdered.
The fact that a body has not been found, I would image it is not a simple "hit and run" case. The fact that Corrie's phone was "pinging" at around 4.00am in the larger geographic location of BSE and then "pinging" in a complete different larger geographic location of Barton Mills at 4.30am suggests that "possibly" he and his mobile was transported up there....and the fact that his phone "remained" in that area, not moving, till 8.00am, suggests "at least the phone" is still in that area....but remains hidden, rather than discarded.


A very disturbing element in this disappearance is, Corrie is a 23 year old, serving member of the RAF Regiment. And possibly "fuelled up" (or "semi fuelled up"). If he was going to walk home that morning, then he must have felt at least capable of getting the job done. Any "one" person picking him up in a car, would mean hat person was driving.
Trying to tackle a combat soldier....whilst driving a car.....in a direction he did not wish to go in.... would be quite a task. Assuming it could have been a "random abduction", then they pretty much chose the wrong guy.




So after all that (and thanks for reading it, if you did !) what is the most "stick out" thing.
Other than a "massively prepared" abduction, that isn't terrorist linked....
....maybe the "8.00am phone signal ceasing" is the biggest thing.


1. Why "8.00am".
Say Corrie became the victim of a "hit and run" driver. And that driver decided to "hide the body".
Well, lets say someone was heading home at that time. But after the incident, they didn't want to appear to be "heading home" at that time.
They could transport Corrie and his phone....and then arrive home "as normal". There would be "no questions" as to where they have been.
Someone with "good" local knowledge as to "where to hide a body" and that lived in that area...but may not have come from there.


After thinking about all this. And the geographical location (even though it would be large), and the timings. And what is in that area. I think I would be searching the water and enquiring as to the arrivals at a local base, for 8.00am and after.


Just a thought.
 
:welcome6: JamesKing

Thank you for joining & for your insight!

Excellent first post!

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FWIW this is what I managed to put together, mostly from family info:

http://shadwellsblog.blogspot.co.uk/2016/10/timeline-corrie-mckeague.html

Location links click through to streetview - if you click on the last sighting location you'll get an idea why bin lorries became a factor early on. Media and police are coy about identifying this location, perhaps because it invites immediate conclusions. Why did he go into that area? At a guess he simply woke up needing a pee and was looking for somewhere out of sight of the street.

:welcome5: shadwell....

I look forward to reading your blog!

Thanks for coming around.

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:greetings: JamesKing! Congrats on a great first post. Good to hear your thoughts.
 
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From what I see, from the world around me, most "abductions" are pretty much planned.
In this case, it maybe so.
Earlier morning, lone walker, already slightly incapacitated, good escape routes with no CCTV coverage (of an attack, a murder or a disposal).


But then comes "motivation".
Okay, a nutter is a nutter. No one really knows what they think.
So without ruling that out, what else is there ?


Say someone didn't want to lose their career. That's motivation right there.
I only heard that Corrie's signal was "lost" at 8.00am.
Maybe he didn't have enough charge on his phone. He'd spoken to his brother and 8.00am is 9 hours later. But he'd been in a club for nearly 2 hours. And he'd been asleep for another 2 hours ish. Maybe the battery was "good" till way past 8.00am.


IF and it's a big IF, it was....then why did it die at 8.00am ?
From past experience, I can tell you "water" does a good job at killing a phone. And guess what, there's a lot of water around Mildenhall and Barton Mills.


If (again) they waited (and didn't move) until 8.00am, what would be so "special" about that time ? Well, for one, it could prove you weren't in the area at 4.00am.


And the last "leap of faith" is.... how do you prove that ?
Well, you need to make it official.
But if you're "on your own" you can't. But a Guard Room can.
Every car entering or leaving a base, is "noted". Reg number and time.


Caveat.... the big problem is, you'd have damage to your car. And that would be seen.
How would you explain that away. Of course it depends on "how much damage".


It's just a "line of investigation" that hasn't been touched on.
Publicly at least.
 
By the way.....
....this case jut got "more bizarre".

This appears on the NEW Suffolk police poster


Please notify police if you have found anything.
For example
Phone
Phone case
BIKE
Clothing
Wallet


A BIKE ????


This is where the police start doing odd things.
And they need to clarify what they are saying.


Did Corrie set off home on a bike ?
Seems logical. Why walk, when you can ride.
Was this his own bike ?
Had he taken a bike with him on his car.
Or had he just "taken" a bike.
There is a bike in the CCT footage at 1.20

There is no footage of him at 3.24

Is this because he "took" that bike ?


[video=youtube;1vRQZEplK6Y]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vRQZEplK6Y[/video]
 
Corrie is too drunk to walk in a straight line or hold on to his takeaway properly, I doubt he would get very far on a bike or even be able to take one locked to a lamppost. The bike comment is very interesting though, I think it must be the suspect who had a bike.

The police are under no obligation to tell the general public everything they know, they just have to release information that will help solve the case.

I think they know who it is that did something to Corrie, they are appealing to everyone in BSE that night to contact them. This means they will be able to speak to the suspect either by the suspect contacting them or by them confronting the suspect as to why they didn't get in touch. Once they have a wee chat with the suspect they can get the suspects phone data which would connect them to the same locations.

The mass postering and sharing of facebook appeals is all to freak out the person who harmed him.
 
The bike reference is not about something of specific interest according to a comment on the help find Corrie facebook: https://www.facebook.com/groups/307450186284715/

Anyone have any info on the bike in the poster ??

Cheryl Hickman
Cheryl Hickman No specific bike - it's just saying have you seen 'anything' - as in absolutely anything that's not yours ?

Hope this is OK to post. It is a confusing thing to add to the poster when listed alongside specific items of Corrie's.
 
Corrie is too drunk to walk in a straight line or hold on to his takeaway properly, I doubt he would get very far on a bike or even be able to take one locked to a lamppost. The bike comment is very interesting though, I think it must be the suspect who had a bike.

My Dad, when I was very small so 35 odd years ago, was once arrested and charged with riding a bicycle on a public highway whilst under the influence of alcohol! According to family stories, the police man put his bike on the roof of the panda car with those stretchy cables and then delivered my Dad home to the angry wife, my mum nearly died of shock opening the door to a policeman!

Potential bad people on bikes gives me flashbacks to poor sweetheart, Alice Gross 😢💔
 
Surely the RAF would be able to say if Corrie left with a bike attached to his car.

Therefore,if the police are looking for a "discarded bike", there has to be more to that than "because there is no sightings of him walking".
As pointed out above, Bury St Edmunds has 61 cameras. Non of which are on Corrie's possible route back to base.

If he has not been seen walking, then he wouldn't have been seen riding either (by CCTV anyway).

The police must have some "relevant information" to suggest Corrie may have been riding a bike.



If that is so (and it has been withheld inorder that it does not inhibit the investigation), Corrie may well have been "further away from" Bury St Edmunds City Centre than previously thought.


The police must have some "more relevant information" to suggest Corrie may have been riding a bike. In such a case, I doubt the police just come out with "random stuff" on an off chance that it "may have" happened/played a part/be relevant.


If that is so (and it has been withheld inorder that it does not inhibit the investigation), Corrie may well have been "further away from" Bury St Edmunds City Centre than previously thought.



If neither Corrie, his mobile phone or a bike are found (if indeed he was riding one), then the police may be looking for a vehicle "large enough" to carry a person and a bike.


Personally, I think the police believe that Corrie was involved in a road incident. And from that point, Corrie was transported "elsewhere" in an attempt to "cover up" that incident.


An additional thought crossed my mind, re the "why 8.00am" question.
By that time it will be lighter.
And by that time, any "moving vehicle" would probably be "unrelated" to the prior incident, due to Corrie's disappearance being timed at 4.00am in the morning.
 
More out of curiosity than anything - If perhaps Corrie was drinking from 11:30 to 1:15ish, then ate solid food and took a two hour nap, wouldn't he wake up just about sober? I'm not much of a drinker since my college days so I'm not entirely sure but I seem remember those two things will sober a person up by 3:30-4am. It's not like he was drinking for 6 or 8 hours and would wake up intoxicated...
On a side note - I'm not saying he's not intoxicated after grabbing some take out but I can't walk in a straight line either when I'm wandering down the street eating or looking at my phone :)
 
Corrie is too drunk to walk in a straight line or hold on to his takeaway properly, I doubt he would get very far on a bike or even be able to take one locked to a lamppost. The bike comment is very interesting though, I think it must be the suspect who had a bike.


Call my Dad crazy but every time he goes to the game he drinks and drinks and watches the game with my brother then cycles back home (albeit he probably shouldn't) but he always gets back.(Bless Him.)
 
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