UK UK - Corrie McKeague, 23, Bury St Edmunds, 24 September 2016 #15

[Shiressleuth]

Just listing times of old cctv shots to try to match up with new images if poss.

03.19 2 females possibly
03.21 white t male
03.35 dark clothing
03.56 grapes cyclist
05.01 dark clothing large bag over
Shoulder.
05.18 dark clothing & bag/backpack
Light top underneath.

I did not see times on these new shots, which are colour with old ones black and white? Need to catch up on comments now.

 

[db09striker]

In my mind if I knew nothing about this case, and watched the clip and was asked my opinion on what the person was doing I'd say that they either saw someone out of the corner of their eye, or were called over by someone.

I'm not convinced.

His direct path is towards a wall which is not far in front of him and he doesn't look like slowing down - he continues forward whilst even turning to look down the road again as he goes off camera - there isn't much room in front of him for someone to stand. It is totally possible there could be someone there - but I feel that with the momentum he's walking with that there probably isn't.

Also - as he walks towards the wall he is looking down at the ground as well as turning his head to look down the path. He therefore isn't making any eye contact with anyone.

He's going for a pee IMO. Reminds me of myself. Run down a more secluded area to buy some time, check nobody is around, get the job done.


Even if there was someone there that was dodgy - hence Corrie looking up and down the path - I further can't understand how they would be involved in his disappearance. They surely would have been seen on CCTV or someone surely would have come forward and said some dodgy person was hiding in the corner around that area. How does an individual on foot make Corrie disappear.... There are ways - duff him up and put him in a bin or take him into a property or somehow drag him or lure him into a car, but I am not convinced by any of those ideas either.

 

[JerricaBenton]

Not much to say about these CCTV images....

All there is to say is - they have highly likely all been identified already.

Only one which will be hard to identify is the cyclist, especially if he isn't a local.




So last CCTV identifications - PRACTICALLY DONE

Buildings all searched - PRACTICALLY DONE

Family search in unknown location in the area - NEXT SUNDAY

As well as all the other stuff that is going on including the extra specialist paid for services that Uncle T is involved in.

why do you think they were released today if they were already identified?

 

[bojarney]

It's weird how every time I watch it any of the situations could be true:
1. Going for a wee
2. Waiting for someone
3. Approaching someone
4. Called over

I thought wee as well but he looks like he's got to where he was going. It's just so strange.

Another thing that keeps irking me is his mates not calling him or anything from him leaving the club at 1 something am all that night and the following day. I know guys are different to girls but even my male friends would have text or called to say "couldn't find you mate, you left ok?" or "you get back ok?" or "did you pull?" or more likely to call him when leaving the club to see if he was already back at base or had waited around etc??? I'm wondering whether this means he left a lot alone (to hook up with guys/girls) or whether he isn't very close to his mates... were they just a group of lads he went out with and wasn't very close to?

<modsnip> Really interested in seeing the interview footage of the pizza workers.

 

[Bedouin]

In cctv image 16, the woman in the blue coat, does she only have one arm?

 

[daytripper100]

Indeed

http://www.factorwise.co.uk/images/... - No Fear - Mens T Shirts - 598571 15102.jpg

 

[TheTruthWillOut]

In cctv image 16, the woman in the blue coat, does she only have one arm?

Just her right hand in her pocket?

 

[I wonder]

why do you think they were released today if they were already identified?

They may not all be identified, but as the family and subsequently 'the public' have demanded more action the police may be doing their best to show that they are in fact trying really hard. They were arguably well overdue an update.

Considering the fact that Corrie seems to have vanished into thin air, I doubt the police could afford to assume they know everything relevant about those in the CCTV pictures.

 

[db09striker]

why do you think they were released today if they were already identified?

I was talking about today's photos.

They would have been identified instantaneously. Their faces are as clear as day and all over the news and Social Media.

So today's photos would have already been identified in a short space of time after releasing them.

 

[TheTruthWillOut]

I was talking about today's photos.

They would have been identified instantaneously. Their faces are as clear as day and all over the news and Social Media.

So today's photos would have already been identified in a short space of time after releasing them.

Would it be fair to assume these images were shown at the pods? If so then it is surprising at least some weren't identified then.

Still doesn't explain why it has been so many weeks before releasing them widely.

 

[I wonder]

One major problem we have with such limited access to CCTV is that we don't know whether he checked the time often or not at all. He doesn't seem to be looking up possibly for a clock and I haven't seen him get his phone out to check the time. My grasp of his sleeping time was that he likely to have been woken by his friend texting, but am not certain. We don't know that he intentionally went to sleep, his intentions possibly affecting his timing. The police must know more than we do here. Would they tell his family?

 

[martinwatts5]

Why start with terrible black and white pictures then move onto great pics with colour? Are they hoping they get recognised without having to put these more obvious pics out?

 

[I wonder]

Why start with terrible black and white pictures then move onto great pics with colour? Are they hoping they get recognised without having to put these more obvious pics out?

It takes a lot of time and a lot of money to do this. The photos today are new ones from CCTV taken elsewhere. They'll have had to 'follow' people via the cameras in an attempt to find a better image.

 

[TheTruthWillOut]

Why start with terrible black and white pictures then move onto great pics with colour? Are they hoping they get recognised without having to put these more obvious pics out?

It was my theory they released the grainy ones so that only the people themselves or someone very close could identify them. The problem I have with this is the amount of time and the seemingly lack of urgency of it all. Makes no sense to me unless the Police know a lot more than they are saying or telling the family.

 

[db09striker]

Why start with terrible black and white pictures then move onto great pics with colour? Are they hoping they get recognised without having to put these more obvious pics out?

Because they looked at the cameras that mattered first. The cameras that mattered are obviously the ones that cover the entries in and out of the area.

No good looking at footage from inside Mcdonalds to start with. Corrie didn't go missing inside Mcdonalds.

 

[emmamartha]

The man with the food, I wonder if he's RAF too? He looks in good physical condition, military type hair...Even if he is, he may not know Corrie if they are from different bases.

Also I don't think you can look into the amount of food he has too much, Corrie ate enough to feed a family of 4 that night. 2 take out containers of that size could easily carry a burger in one and chips in another. Or as someone else said, he's taking some home to his partner. I remember when my aunty was pregnant she would send her husband out at all hours for take out or whatever she was craving.

I'm glad this CCTV is a lot more clear, I agree that it looks like a supermarket rather than a train station/bus station in some of those pictures. Didn't I read that Tesco wasn't too far from Corrie's last location?

 

[TheTruthWillOut]

^ I think Northern Light might be right with the blue coat lady and man with glasses are just inside McDonalds. The time frame of 03:15-05:20 fits with McDonalds 05:00 opening time (I think blue coat lady is 05:01 in the Cornhill still?).

 

[CRQ57]

Everyone one knows how much hard work we've put into this case so far. It's been immense and I don't mind coming up with curveball ideas to stimulate a different way of thinking based on that hard work.
It occurred to me yesterday (I have no proof and I ain't suggesting this was his intentions), that IF he binned his phone there must have been an intent to 'do something' whether legal or illegal. The timings of the phone's movement have not yet categorically been proven to match any vehicle let alone the bin lorry as far as I know although that is the prime candidate for transference. I've worked tirelessly on trying to come up with an explanation for these timings but cannot say with absolute confidence that the phone went in the bin lorry. I'm 90% sure but not 100% sure.
Anyway, to bin that phone COULD be a way of not drawing attention to oneself whilst driving...ie, Corrie driving. He's already bladdered and to be caught in a car (his car?) with his phone as evidence of travel, would surely bring his world down around him. Damning evidence if you will. Just musing on it and the possibilities at the moment...hmmmmm...
JMO


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Perhaps phone was accidentally thrown in the bin along with the take away wrappers. Last seen on CCTV with hands in pockets,,, hence no take away or wrapping so must have disposed of it in HS before leaving. I hope they searched HS for this while carrying out the forensic search!

 

[martinwatts5]

The 'hands in pockets' thing has made me think. Normally younger people who have a phone tend to carry it in the open and fiddle about with it almost all of the time. Had the phone already gone?

 

[CRQ57]

The man with the food, I wonder if he's RAF too? He looks in good physical condition, military type hair...Even if he is, he may not know Corrie if they are from different bases.

Also I don't think you can look into the amount of food he has too much, Corrie ate enough to feed a family of 4 that night. 2 take out containers of that size could easily carry a burger in one and chips in another. Or as someone else said, he's taking some home to his partner. I remember when my aunty was pregnant she would send her husband out at all hours for take out or whatever she was craving.

I'm glad this CCTV is a lot more clear, I agree that it looks like a supermarket rather than a train station/bus station in some of those pictures. Didn't I read that Tesco wasn't too far from Corrie's last location?

Way back I seem to remember that during the search, dog/s were used and scent was lost somewhere near Tesco's. This was later discounted and never been mentioned again.