This one is doing my nut in now - I posted before about some ideas, but couldn't say what I really thought because of course if you say the wrong thing and inadvertently accuse someone or whatever, or imply X might have done Y then you end up in big trouble.
I've thought about it some more, and while I was banging on about the bin truck and the weight and why you maybe wouldn't take that all at face value - maybe that's a bit too obtuse, so I'm going to pose some questions in the form of a kind of logical argument / consideration.
Part is purely logic based on the known facts - of which there aren't many, others on the laws of physics based on my time in electronics - and I do want the £50K reward if they catch the kiler etc after this LoL.
So known knowns:
Corrie enters place covered 100% by CCTV - he goes in but is never seen to leave, which is impossibe on foot.
Therefore he must have left in a vehicle.
There were only 4 vehicles within the timeframe the Police consider important - 3 cars and a bin truck.
In the papers today it said the 3 cars have been discounted, that leaves the bin truck.
The phone "pinged" the masts on the route of the bin truck within the appropriate time frames.
It would therefore seem likely that the phone was travelling with the bin truck (note I didn't say in the bin truck).
The most likely assumption has been that Corrie got into a bin, fell asleep and was picked up and deposited in the bin trucks refuse collection area, along with his phone.
However, there are 2 problems with this:
1) The weight of the collected refuse was 11Kg and he weighed 85Kg, so this seem unlikely;
2) The back of the bin truck that the refuse is poured into is essentially a solid metal sealed cage - if it is earther then it is a perfect Faraday cage from which no radio signal could escape - which means it is impossible that the phone could ping the mast if it's inside the refuse area of the truck.
Even if it is not earthed and not a perfect Faraday cage, it would attenuate the signal so much it may still not be able to ping the mast (and the less of the mast the phone will have been able to "see" or comunicate with, the more it will have increased power usage to boost the signal, which will have drained the batteries faster);
Therefore is it not VERY unlikely that the phone was in the refuse deposit area or the truck?
And yet it still travelled the same route at the same times as the bin truck (assumed from reports and allegedly).
So what other options are available to explain this?
1) The phone was on the exterior of the truck.
If this was the case then either Corrie or someone else put the phone on the truck for some unknown reason while not getting on the truck himself, or Corrie and the phone got onto the exterior of the truck without the driver seeing.
Since the CCTV doesn't show Corrie on the truck as it exited that seems unlikely, as does him hanging onto it for several miles without falling off - but maybe he was "hidden" and got off later. Seems unlikely but this whole thing is unlikely.
If it was just the phone - it wasn't found on the truck in the investigation of the truck, so muct have fallen off, presumably on the road - so why hasn't it been found? And why hasn't Corrie been found, presumably at the place he became detached from the phone.
2) If Corrie wasn't in the back of the truck or clinging to the outside of the truck, the only other place is inside the cab of the truck.
This then explains why the phone travelled the route of the truck, was able to ping the masts (the glass allows the radio waves to permeate to the outside world), why the weight of Corrie isn't in the back of the truck (it weighs waste put into the recepticle, not weight put in the cab), and how he left the area unseen.
This seems to be the most likely (while not the only) course of events, so how did the phone and/or the phone AND Corrie end up in the cab of the truck (if that is what happened - and I'm not saying it did).
If you found a mobile phone and thought "I'll have that", then when the nature of the investigation becomes clear wouldn't you say what happened?
If someone else put the phone in the cab while the driver was distracted (it's a 1 man crew) - why? And why wasn't it found later?
If Corrie sneaked into the cab for a laugh or a free lift when the driver was distracted - would the driver have seen him / why did he still disappear?
If you were the Police wouldn't this be your major line of enquiry?
Bin truck with one man crew enters area, person in area disappears, phone pings masts on route of bin truck, is perhaps impossible (needs testing) for phone to ping masts if in back of metal box, phone is on person and person doesn't appear to be on exterior of bin truck (and he's drunk - difficult)...
What is left?
Tragic accident, something else, someone else involved other than the obvious protagonists, some weird accumulation of oddly conflicting factors?
Most likely, least likely.
Where do you start?
Who do you focus on?
What do you focus on?
Flights of fancy or the facts and the laws of physics - I bet the Police have not yet put a phone in the back of the same kind of truck used by Biffa and seen if it can send/receive calls, or ping a mast.
Maybe that's a good place to start - again?
Then work from there?
I've thought about it some more, and while I was banging on about the bin truck and the weight and why you maybe wouldn't take that all at face value - maybe that's a bit too obtuse, so I'm going to pose some questions in the form of a kind of logical argument / consideration.
Part is purely logic based on the known facts - of which there aren't many, others on the laws of physics based on my time in electronics - and I do want the £50K reward if they catch the kiler etc after this LoL.
So known knowns:
Corrie enters place covered 100% by CCTV - he goes in but is never seen to leave, which is impossibe on foot.
Therefore he must have left in a vehicle.
There were only 4 vehicles within the timeframe the Police consider important - 3 cars and a bin truck.
In the papers today it said the 3 cars have been discounted, that leaves the bin truck.
The phone "pinged" the masts on the route of the bin truck within the appropriate time frames.
It would therefore seem likely that the phone was travelling with the bin truck (note I didn't say in the bin truck).
The most likely assumption has been that Corrie got into a bin, fell asleep and was picked up and deposited in the bin trucks refuse collection area, along with his phone.
However, there are 2 problems with this:
1) The weight of the collected refuse was 11Kg and he weighed 85Kg, so this seem unlikely;
2) The back of the bin truck that the refuse is poured into is essentially a solid metal sealed cage - if it is earther then it is a perfect Faraday cage from which no radio signal could escape - which means it is impossible that the phone could ping the mast if it's inside the refuse area of the truck.
Even if it is not earthed and not a perfect Faraday cage, it would attenuate the signal so much it may still not be able to ping the mast (and the less of the mast the phone will have been able to "see" or comunicate with, the more it will have increased power usage to boost the signal, which will have drained the batteries faster);
Therefore is it not VERY unlikely that the phone was in the refuse deposit area or the truck?
And yet it still travelled the same route at the same times as the bin truck (assumed from reports and allegedly).
So what other options are available to explain this?
1) The phone was on the exterior of the truck.
If this was the case then either Corrie or someone else put the phone on the truck for some unknown reason while not getting on the truck himself, or Corrie and the phone got onto the exterior of the truck without the driver seeing.
Since the CCTV doesn't show Corrie on the truck as it exited that seems unlikely, as does him hanging onto it for several miles without falling off - but maybe he was "hidden" and got off later. Seems unlikely but this whole thing is unlikely.
If it was just the phone - it wasn't found on the truck in the investigation of the truck, so muct have fallen off, presumably on the road - so why hasn't it been found? And why hasn't Corrie been found, presumably at the place he became detached from the phone.
2) If Corrie wasn't in the back of the truck or clinging to the outside of the truck, the only other place is inside the cab of the truck.
This then explains why the phone travelled the route of the truck, was able to ping the masts (the glass allows the radio waves to permeate to the outside world), why the weight of Corrie isn't in the back of the truck (it weighs waste put into the recepticle, not weight put in the cab), and how he left the area unseen.
This seems to be the most likely (while not the only) course of events, so how did the phone and/or the phone AND Corrie end up in the cab of the truck (if that is what happened - and I'm not saying it did).
If you found a mobile phone and thought "I'll have that", then when the nature of the investigation becomes clear wouldn't you say what happened?
If someone else put the phone in the cab while the driver was distracted (it's a 1 man crew) - why? And why wasn't it found later?
If Corrie sneaked into the cab for a laugh or a free lift when the driver was distracted - would the driver have seen him / why did he still disappear?
If you were the Police wouldn't this be your major line of enquiry?
Bin truck with one man crew enters area, person in area disappears, phone pings masts on route of bin truck, is perhaps impossible (needs testing) for phone to ping masts if in back of metal box, phone is on person and person doesn't appear to be on exterior of bin truck (and he's drunk - difficult)...
What is left?
Tragic accident, something else, someone else involved other than the obvious protagonists, some weird accumulation of oddly conflicting factors?
Most likely, least likely.
Where do you start?
Who do you focus on?
What do you focus on?
Flights of fancy or the facts and the laws of physics - I bet the Police have not yet put a phone in the back of the same kind of truck used by Biffa and seen if it can send/receive calls, or ping a mast.
Maybe that's a good place to start - again?
Then work from there?
