UK UK - Corrie McKeague, 23, Bury St Edmunds, 24 September 2016 #19

[Scorpio1]

it's puzzled me for a long time how the phone stayed active until around 8am in the Barton mills area, that would suggest to me that if the phone was in the bin lorry then it never went direct to landfill but probely to a transfer station in the Barton mills area before going on to Milton landfill, IMO

 

[Amonet]

and if all the bin contents are crushed, then how did the phone survive to ping at the mast? There's no big pieces in landfill, not even anything phone sized by the look of it. The phone would surely have been rendered useless as soon as it went in the lorry

I would think that the size and condition of the landfill pieces is more a result of decomposition than any indication of what it looked like when it arrived there.

I am thinking that the initial load maybe cracked the phone, then it pinged its way to BM and Sainsbury's at Mildenhall. At that location there was another load for the lorry and maybe that did further damage and the phone didn't ping any more but as Uncle Tony said it just stayed on the BM mast until it was expunged several hours later. Or maybe the phone did ping all the way to Red Lodge transfer station, but I would think that was slightly outside the radius of the mast? But the phone could have got to the outside of the mast radius intact and then the signal was never picked up by another mast and so it stayed on the BM mast as in the last example.

If someone has a link to a BBC news article, I think from Friday or Thursday, the Katie Elliot of Suffolk Police was quoted as saying something like, "we first thought the waste processing would have noticed Corrie if he was in there, but later we learned that it could have missed him". It wasn't explained whether he could have been missed during the processing, what kind of processing she was referring to/it went through, or if it somehow went straight to landfill. But I thought that was an interesting quote.

Editing to add the link and quote

Det Supt Katie Elliott said the line of inquiry was not pursued at the time because of the weight given and details of the waste disposal process.

"We understood it would've been such that it would've been likely that Corrie would have been identified through the processing before he could've got here.

"We've done further lines of inquiry in to that processing and we understand there is the possibility that Corrie could've got to this landfill site without having been identified through that processing."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-suffolk-39218855

 

[Scorpio1]

Out of the 4 vehicles was it ever stated what they were, could we have two bin lorries , two vehicles still under investigation I think was the last we heard of the vehicles,

 

[TheTruthWillOut]

@Amonet

I don't understand that quote from DS Katie Elliott at all. So we are to believe before the weight revelation the answer to the question 'Could Corrie pass through here (recycling process) unnoticed?' was no, but after it was 'er, yes'?.

 

[Amonet]

@Amonet

I don't understand that quote from DS Katie Elliott at all. So we are to believe before the weight revelation the answer to the question 'Could Corrie pass through here (recycling process) unnoticed?' was no, but after it was 'er, yes'?.

I read it as two separate things.

At first they thought he couldn't be in the landfill because of the weight and they believed he would have been noticed during the processing. Then:

1) they found out he *could* have got to the landfill without being noticed (hence the search)
2) they found out the bin weight was wrong (further supporting the need to search there)

It is a shame that there's not more detail to explain exactly what she meant.

 

[Cherwell]

I don't understand that quote from DS Katie Elliott at all. So we are to believe before the weight revelation the answer to the question 'Could Corrie pass through here (recycling process) unnoticed?' was no, but after it was 'er, yes'?.

I think it's two separate things.

"the line of inquiry was not pursued at the time because of the weight given and details of the waste disposal process"

Snap, Amonet

 

[Cherwell]

It sounds like the recyclable waste collected by that bin lorry bypassed the proper sorting process and went straight into the landfill.

The police would have been assured by Biffa management that C would have been found during the sorting, but it later emerged that no sorting took place.

Now whether this is down to a rogue or inexperienced driver, or a regular corporate cutting of corners, remains to be seen, but it looks like a

 

[Reallyodd]

I read it as two separate things.

At first they thought he couldn't be in the landfill because of the weight and they believed he would have been noticed during the processing. Then:

1) they found out he *could* have got to the landfill without being noticed (hence the search)
2) they found out the bin weight was wrong (further supporting the need to search there)

It is a shame that there's not more detail to explain exactly what she meant.

This is very strange as I watched that video several times at the point where she says ""We understood it would've been such that it would've been likely that Corrie would have been identified through the processing before he could've got here.
so that I could write it down and I posted it on here.

But I don't recall her saying this bit:
"We've done further lines of inquiry in to that processing and we understand there is the possibility that Corrie could've got to this landfill site without having been identified through that processing."
and I was particularly listening for her to say something about the processing. I do recall her repeating the first bit in more or less the same way as the reporter was pressing her.

When I tried to find the full video again tonight, it has gone and there is only a short clip of her saying it was frustrating for her!

Still no answer as to why that load went to landfill. Still no answer as to whether that load did actually go the WTS to be processed.

 

[TheTruthWillOut]

My point is that early on SP must have checked (or assumed?) the recycling process and deduced he wouldn't/couldn't be missed. Now, since the bin weight change, checking that line of inquiry again he could be missed.

That is how it reads to me.

@Amonet

In your earlier post you mention the BM mast being just out of range of Red Lodge. I agree (I make it ~3.5 miles as the crow flies) but there is a closer mast to Red Lodge (between Golf Links Road and the A11) that I posted about yesterday. I believe this mast was filmed by ForcesTV in their doc from December. Is that coincidence or do they know more?

 

[Amonet]

My point is that early on SP must have checked (or assumed?) the recycling process and deduced he wouldn't/couldn't be missed. Now, since the bin weight change, checking that line of inquiry again he could be missed.

That is how it reads to me.

@Amonet

In your earlier post you mention the BM mast being just out of range of Red Lodge. I agree (I make it ~3.5 miles as the crow flies) but there is a closer mast to Red Lodge (between Golf Links Road and the A11) that I posted about yesterday. I believe this mast was filmed by ForcesTV in their doc from December. Is that coincidence or do they know more?

The wording in the BBC quote, plus some others that have been posted here, suggests to me that it was the other way around. I think the discovery that Corrie could have been missed during processing (whether due to the processes or because the processes were missed) came first, and they decided to search the landfill.

In other quotes DS Elliot has said that the confirmation that the bin weight was wrong backs up their decision to search the landfill, as if the bin weight update came later.

ETA the bit about Red Lodge. I looked at that place and that name stood out to me so many times, but I always ruled it out due to the distance from the BM mast and not knowing about the transfer station and the other mast that you've mentioned!

They only ever said "the vicinity of Barton Mills and Mildenhall" they never mentioned it could be as far out as Red Lodge? I wonder if that was another thing they sort of approximated or if they did only find the signal on the BM mast? I would have thought those earlier appeals to people who might have seen him that night, and also for people in the BM and Mildenhall (as well as BSE) areas to check gardens and outbuildings would have been extended to Red Lodge if they did have the phone on that mast nearer Red Lodge at that time? Or you'd think they would have updated those advisories/requests to include Red Lodge if they found that signal later?

 

[Aye]

The wording in the BBC quote, plus some others that have been posted here, suggests to me that it was the other way around. I think the discovery that Corrie could have been missed during processing (whether due to the processes or because the processes were missed) came first, and they decided to search the landfill.

In other quotes DS Elliot has said that the confirmation that the bin weight was wrong backs up their decision to search the landfill, as if the bin weight update came later.

ETA the bit about Red Lodge. I looked at that place and that name stood out to me so many times, but I always ruled it out due to the distance from the BM mast and not knowing about the transfer station and the other mast that you've mentioned!

They only ever said "the vicinity of Barton Mills and Mildenhall" they never mentioned it could be as far out as Red Lodge? I wonder if that was another thing they sort of approximated or if they did only find the signal on the BM mast? I would have thought those earlier appeals to people who might have seen him that night, and also for people in the BM and Mildenhall (as well as BSE) areas to check gardens and outbuildings would have been extended to Red Lodge if they did have the phone on that mast nearer Red Lodge at that time? Or you'd think they would have updated those advisories/requests to include Red Lodge if they found that signal later?

Elliot needs media training & press conferences, her many same day interviews to various MSM are inconsistent and more akin to Birmingham spaghetti junction.

 

[Aye]

I think it's two separate things.

"the line of inquiry was not pursued at the time because of the weight given and details of the waste disposal process"

Snap, Amonet

the line of INVESTIGATION was taken as word and not looked into nor confirmed as suitably accurate by SP

 

[Aye]

Seems the local authority are very poor at enforcing waste management MANAGEMENT http://www.newmarketjournal.co.uk/news/crime/skip-hire-firm-fined-over-illegal-dump-1-2977912

 

[Shiressleuth]

This is very strange as I watched that video several times at the point where she says ""We understood it would've been such that it would've been likely that Corrie would have been identified through the processing before he could've got here.
so that I could write it down and I posted it on here.

But I don't recall her saying this bit:
"We've done further lines of inquiry in to that processing and we understand there is the possibility that Corrie could've got to this landfill site without having been identified through that processing."
and I was particularly listening for her to say something about the processing. I do recall her repeating the first bit in more or less the same way as the reporter was pressing her.

When I tried to find the full video again tonight, it has gone and there is only a short clip of her saying it was frustrating for her!

Still no answer as to why that load went to landfill. Still no answer as to whether that load did actually go the WTS to be processed.

It sounds to me like SP were misled (accidently on purpose?) by the waste company at some point. E.g. perhaps the normal process is to go to wts but if recyclables are 'contaminated' just call landfill to arrange an individual bin lorry drop off . Could be the reason for the arrest and caution, in the end, to get to the bottom of it. As I suggested, a cocker up. ( a cover up of a *advertiser censored* up?)

 

[Shiressleuth]

The wording in the BBC quote, plus some others that have been posted here, suggests to me that it was the other way around. I think the discovery that Corrie could have been missed during processing (whether due to the processes or because the processes were missed) came first, and they decided to search the landfill.

In other quotes DS Elliot has said that the confirmation that the bin weight was wrong backs up their decision to search the landfill, as if the bin weight update came later.

ETA the bit about Red Lodge. I looked at that place and that name stood out to me so many times, but I always ruled it out due to the distance from the BM mast and not knowing about the transfer station and the other mast that you've mentioned!

They only ever said "the vicinity of Barton Mills and Mildenhall" they never mentioned it could be as far out as Red Lodge? I wonder if that was another thing they sort of approximated or if they did only find the signal on the BM mast? I would have thought those earlier appeals to people who might have seen him that night, and also for people in the BM and Mildenhall (as well as BSE) areas to check gardens and outbuildings would have been extended to Red Lodge if they did have the phone on that mast nearer Red Lodge at that time? Or you'd think they would have updated those advisories/requests to include Red Lodge if they found that signal later?

The way I understand pings is that two masts and the phone triangulate as the phone moves between masts and the strength increases on the mast it is nearest to so if the phone moved away from BM mast towards RL it would be pinging off both as it approached RL.

 

[Shiressleuth]

the line of INVESTIGATION was taken as word and not looked into nor confirmed as suitably accurate by SP

Is this fact Aye? Do you have a link?

 

[Shiressleuth]

the line of INVESTIGATION was taken as word and not looked into nor confirmed as suitably accurate by SP

Aye, please do you have a link?
Edit. Sorry for dupe. Having probs posting as internet keeps going down.

 

[Shiressleuth]

Out of the 4 vehicles was it ever stated what they were, could we have two bin lorries , two vehicles still under investigation I think was the last we heard of the vehicles,

We were told the original bin lorry was cleared as well as 2 of the other 3 with one still being investigated IIRC. So now the original bin lorry is back in the frame due to weight and landfill issue so that leaves one mystery vehicle presumably still being investigated as there has been no further update on that. It could be a van, a car, a taxi, another bin lorry, we don't know the status. However, is the investigation of it on hold while they search LF or is it still ongoing? That is what MSM or family need to ask or SP need to clarify.

 

[Coach]

If SP have been rechecking all of the data and found out that the weight of the bin was not accurate re 11kgs, was the private company that was brought in not supposed to specialise in data - did they play any part in finding out the bin weight was wrong?

 

[Coach]

If the bin lorry collected the bin shortly after 4am, why did the phone last ping at 8am? When the lorry left the HS, did it go right to the landfill and was it a new driver on that morning?