UK UK - Corrie McKeague, 23, Bury St Edmunds, 24 September 2016 #2

[ChuckieD]

Another question, sorry. How long was it before they questioned the lorry driver?

 

[MidsummersDay]

To my knowledge we haven't been told that the phone stopped pinging at 4.20am?

All I remember seeing is that the phone traveled in the direction of the Barton Mills/Mildenhall area between around 4 and 4.30 am, then stayed in that area, and the pings stopped around 8am.

I'm working on the theory (and that's all it is at present) that the Barton Mills mast is owned/used primarily by Vodaphone. The Barton Mills mast location was actually stated. If it is a Vodaphone macromast which my research suggests, then here's a map to show signal areas and strengths based on a 3G system. Source is Vodaphone.

...here's also possible routes the LGV/HGV bin lorry went. I've checked the grading of the routes and that type of vehicle IS allowed to use it.

 

[suzyjackson]

Just playing catch up. Am I right in thinking that the bin lorry driver said he saw three teenagers hanging around yet there's no sight of them on CCTV etc? Do we know how long it was between Corrie going to towards the bin area and the bin lorry arriving? Has the bin lorry been forensically searched including the cab?.........:thinking:

Somebody on FB mentioned they had CCTV from that night and the police needed to hurry before they recorded over it (why would you even do that?!) - I wonder if Corrie was on it, surely he must have been if the person mentioned it at all.

This is just bizarre, you'd think people can't just vanish but they do. I lived in Ipswich when Luke Durbin disappeared and I have always been of the mind that he went into the river/canal but Corrie's disappearance is certainly making me rethink that.

As far as we know about 35 mins between Corrie going to the bin area and the bin lorry arriving

We've been told the lorry has been checked but I don't think we've had any specific details. Nicola has said many times she's sure Corrie was no where near the lorry, I'm happy to take this is a fact

I thought the same about the CCTV, surely the person would have made a copy before it was written over. My guess is it shows vehicles rather than people

Sadly people do vanish, I hadn't heard of Luke Durbin before I started following this case but I can think of several others just off the top of my head, not as uncommon as you might think

 

[MidsummersDay]

Someone on the FB page saw someone suspicious digging in a wooded area near the roundabout

Now that's interesting, why dig in woodland at 0400(?) in the morning in a nature reserve?

 

[guruagain]

No one said anyone was digging at 4am anywhere. A lady said that she saw a man acting suspiciously (but didn't say when she saw him) and posted it as a private message to Nicola (Corries mum) on Facebook on Sunday. She didn't say which nature reserve (maybe locals know what area she means) but said near railway line and security fence but it looks like there are two areas that match this description in Bury St Edmunds one near Fen Way and one near the Tesco roundabout. We don't know which one she was talking about. The PM was posted by Nicola on the facebook page on Monday but was removed later that day.

 

[TheTruthWillOut]

Just playing catch up. Am I right in thinking that the bin lorry driver said he saw three teenagers hanging around yet there's no sight of them on CCTV etc? Do we know how long it was between Corrie going to towards the bin area and the bin lorry arriving? Has the bin lorry been forensically searched including the cab?.........:thinking:

Somebody on FB mentioned they had CCTV from that night and the police needed to hurry before they recorded over it (why would you even do that?!) - I wonder if Corrie was on it, surely he must have been if the person mentioned it at all.

This is just bizarre, you'd think people can't just vanish but they do. I lived in Ipswich when Luke Durbin disappeared and I have always been of the mind that he went into the river/canal but Corrie's disappearance is certainly making me rethink that.

BBM.

The person is probably not tech savvy and the system is one that writes over old footage when the HDD/Flash is full? I know this is how dashcams work so similar for a home/consumer CCTV system?

 

[CoverMeCagney]

BBM.

The person is probably not tech savvy and the system is one that writes over old footage when the HDD/Flash is full? I know this is how dashcams work so similar for a home/consumer CCTV system?

That was your 1000th post!!

:cheer:

 

[MidsummersDay]

Looks like the paper/cardboard waste recycling bins could have ended up at Great Blakenham, Wimblington and Newport (near Telford) according to the official website? Or even Sittingbourne, Norfolk, Thetford or Ipswich!! :/

 

[CoverMeCagney]

Now that's interesting, why dig in woodland at 0400(?) in the morning in a nature reserve?

guruagain is right, the lady didn't say it was 4am, in fact it was likely day time as she took photos I believe. Regardless, I'd be up there like a shot if I were the family. Or the police for that matter.

 

[ChuckieD]

BBM.

The person is probably not tech savvy and the system is one that writes over old footage when the HDD/Flash is full? I know this is how dashcams work so similar for a home/consumer CCTV system?

That makes sense. Well I hope it found it's way into the right hands.

 

[CoverMeCagney]

No one said anyone was digging at 4am anywhere. A lady said that she saw a man acting suspiciously (but didn't say when she saw him) and posted it as a private message to Nicola (Corries mum) on Facebook on Sunday. She didn't say which nature reserve (maybe locals know what area she means) but said near railway line and security fence but it looks like there are two areas that match this description in Bury St Edmunds one near Fen Way and one near the Tesco roundabout. We don't know which one she was talking about. The PM was posted by Nicola on the facebook page on Monday but was removed later that day.

Thanks for clarifying. I was defo cherry picking info, but Occam's Razor / fewest assumptions and all that, it would make total sense if he was found in that general area.

 

[TheTruthWillOut]

That was your 1000th post!!

:cheer:

Thanks! Took a long time to get there.

That makes sense. Well I hope it found it's way into the right hands.

I hope so. My worry is that that there is little communication between the family and Suffolk Police right now and so we might not get an answer either way.

 

[Purplepixii]

I'm working on the theory (and that's all it is at present) that the Barton Mills mast is owned/used primarily by Vodaphone. The Barton Mills mast location was actually stated. If it is a Vodaphone macromast which my research suggests, then here's a map to show signal areas and strengths based on a 3G system. Source is Vodaphone.

...here's also possible routes the LGV/HGV bin lorry went. I've checked the grading of the routes and that type of vehicle IS allowed to use it.

Vodafone, 3 & T-Mobile all have masts on that roundabout http://www.mastdata.com/0/address/address.aspx?AdID=120361


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[MelmothTheLost]

My ignorant question could explain it: We're lead to believe that the phone was tracked by the way the phone apps were updated. After a bit of research it seems a low level app would update about once a month. A high level app with lots of data to monitor, around once a week. If as the police state, they were able to track the phone to the Barton Mills mast area that would suggest an algorithm with quite a few constants (ie quite a few apps to update all remarkably between 0324 and 0800 when thereafter the phone went dead or switched off into power save mode).

That depends on the apps, if it was actually updating them in real time during this period. I'm guessing that it's not the apps themselves which update but new data that gets downloaded. Twitter updates every few minutes, and I imagine Facebook does as well.

I'd imagine most people with a smartphone have some apps which update frequently. As well as Twitter, I have an aurora alert and share prices on mine for a start.

 

[Amonet]

The police release from October 6th mentions seraches along the railway line. It also mentions searching around the Fiveways roundabout. Each release mentions different search places and who's taking part in those searches.

British Transport Police assisted with searches along the railway line from Bury St Edmunds yesterday, as part of the ongoing search strategy to locate Corrie. Today the A1101 between the Fiveways roundabout at Barton Mills and Icklingham was closed for a brief time while officers conducted further searches along this road, and more work has been carried out along the A11.

https://www.suffolk.police.uk/news/missing-persons/corrie-mckeague

 

[MelmothTheLost]

Wow....

Now where is the landfill located?

There's a recycling centre on the A1065, 1 mile north the 5 ways roundabout, past the lorry park and picnic area. It's labeled Mildenhall Household Waste and Recycling Site on Google maps.

 

[MidsummersDay]

That depends on the apps, if it was actually updating them in real time during this period. I'm guessing that it's not the apps themselves which update but new data that gets downloaded. Twitter updates very few minutes, and I imagine Facebook does as well.

I'd imagine most people with a smartphone have some apps which update frequently. As well as Twitter, I have an aurora alert and share prices on mine for a start.

Good point, well presented

 

[MidsummersDay]

There's a recycling centre on the A1065, 1 mile north the 5 ways roundabout, past the lorry park and picnic area. It's labeled Mildenhall Household Waste and Recycling Site on Google maps.

but that would be for cars and small vans though wouldn't it and not LGV/HGVs with corporate waste?

 

[TheTruthWillOut]

There's a recycling centre on the A1065, 1 mile north the 5 ways roundabout, past the lorry park and picnic area. It's labeled Mildenhall Household Waste and Recycling Site on Google maps.

That's what isn't clear. Are the family using the generic term landfill to mean the recycling centre? I think it likely. So why did the Police deem it not worth searching and then release the bin lorry back to them?

If the Police genuinely do not have any information or evidence like they have stated then they would search it as a matter of course, right?

Edit: If the Mildenhall recycling centre isn't the location we really need to know what location is being talked about. It could change everything.

 

[MelmothTheLost]

According to this there are no landfill sites in Barton Mills or nearby.

Edit- link doesn't work but go to environment agency website.

So basically, if the bin lorry travelled to Barton Mills via either the A14/A11 or the A1101 it would have passed one or more current licenced actual landfill sites, but I'm guessing none would have been open at the time in question. I'm starting to wonder if the original reference to landfill was in the most generic terms as being any type of site where waste is taken.