UK UK - Corrie McKeague, 23, Bury St Edmunds, 24 September 2016 #9

[Dcflag]

I agree le updates take precendence however I don't see any le update that specifically references the phone pings. So we can either forget about the phone pings entirely or we can agree with what the family have said unless the police have contradicted them.

It's a hard one because the family have been rather muddled in their fact giving but if we discount anything they've said the police have not corroborated then we're excluding things like there was no altercation in the club or the families character statements etc

I don't think I've seen any le statement that mentions the phrase "phone ping"

 

[CoverMeCagney]

I just think we have to be careful about deciding on things that we cannot prove one way or the other. I have heard several different times stated, not all of them correlate with others.

Bottom line is Corrie's phone was probably in the Mildenhall area in the early hours of Saturday morning, and Corrie may or may not have been with it. The fact there are zero sightings of him after 3:24am suggest he was most likely in a vehicle though I'm yet to be 100% convinced he didn't walk up Short B and accidentally end up in a river/ditch/woods. The given information, for me, is too flaky to be able to sleuth properly and with any degree of confidence.

 

[MidsummersDay]

I've just trawled through the Suffolk Police's website for Corrie and I cannot see any references to 'phone pings'. What I did see though was a reference to Corrie being seen (possibly) in the Mildenhall area between 0430-0800.
Based on that, I'll be taking my info from the police and enhancing it with the family's information albeit with a pinch of salt. Thirdly, I'll be reading between the lines and trying to interpret what could have happened given that info.

So, from what we have so far...

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[Deleted member 178385]

The police don't mention pings specifically, but do mention mobile phone data:

3rd October:

"Analysis of mobile phone data shows his phone moved between Bury and Barton Mills on the morning of his disappearance. The work shows the phone was in Bury St Edmunds early on Saturday 24 September and but then moved to the Barton Mills area. It doesn’t move after this and has not been used since. This phone has not been found at this time.

Police are looking at what happened but are exploring the possibility that the phone may have been lost or discarded as the timings of the movement has been found to coincide with that of a bin lorry that is known to have travelled between the locations at the time. The bin lorry has been seized for examination.

The weight of the pick-up has been analysed at it appears the weight of the load was under 15kg – so it is not thought that Corrie was with the phone, however searches are being carried out between Bury and Barton Mills."

 

[Shiressleuth]

Ok maybe we can discuss what gave LE reason to believe Corrie was in the mildenhall area between 4 and 8 a.m that day?
Edit. Just read it waa based on mobile data but we can still discuss the reasonable belief. Also I too am having big probs posting today. Apologies for any dupes.

 

[CoverMeCagney]

Having problems posting this morning - not quoting things I wanted to, multi quoting things I didn't want to, and posting everything twice!

 

[suzyjackson]

I just think we have to be careful about deciding on things that we cannot prove one way or the other. I have heard several different times stated, not all of them correlate with others.

Bottom line is Corrie's phone was probably in the Mildenhall area in the early hours of Saturday morning, and Corrie may or may not have been with it. The fact there are zero sightings of him after 3:24am suggest he was most likely in a vehicle though I'm yet to be 100% convinced he didn't walk up Short B and accidentally end up in a river/ditch/woods. The given information, for me, is too flaky to be able to sleuth properly and with any degree of confidence.

BBM in that case we know nothing more than that Corrie was last seen at 3.24 and to our knowledge hasn't been seen since :tantrum:

 

[cotswoldemmie]

I think it may be helpful for us to have a bullet point timeline of events as well as a bullet point of facts. Next to each timeline event and each fact, should be the source.
Perhaps then we could have a clear picture of what may or may not have happened based on where that info came from.
I'm not disputing the family's updates, however hearsay, goodwill & emotions are likely to be clouding this case & it's updates.
IMO the police will be working with an unemotional & fact based approach.

 

[Shiressleuth]

Me too Cagney. If you get two similar messages from me take the last one as the correct one.

 

[PurpleWitch]

Still reading along, not thought of anything new to add. just saw this article and there's a photo of Corrie's Dad and grandparents at the Short Brackland Street sign and despite possible private cctv an area of cctv black hole..Hoping they are going to do some more searches soon.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/742050/Missing-airman-Corrie-McKeague-father-Christmas-agony

 

[cotswoldemmie]

Ok maybe we can discuss what gave LE reason to believe Corrie was in the mildenhall area between 4 and 8 a.m that day?

I posted a message yesterday about the police tracing Corrie/phone using apps that give your location.
I'll see if I can find it and repost to explain what I mean
This is what I posted yesterday...
Just thinking...
Tinder & POF both locate people near you and AFAIK they do this using both GPS and triangulation.
Perhaps the police have people who came forward early on as having spoken to Corrie on either app and those apps would have shown Corries last location, quite definitively as in Barton Mills, Mildenhall, Brandon etc.
This could be even more accurate if he had the Happn app which gives a last "crossed path" location to an actual road name & time.
Any of the above apps would accurately give his location, especially if someone had messaged him & received a reply between 4ish - 8am. Not necessarily someone who'd been involved in his disappearance, just someone whose interaction could confirm he was alive.
Maybe the police have opened accounts in those apps, possibly Grindr too and are watching his accounts, possibly sending messages every now and then.
Maybe Corries POF account has been left open to see if the location changes or to "trap" someone who was involved with him.
Or perhaps sending private messages from Corries actual account.
Just trying to figure out what the police possibly know that may have lead them to conduct the investigation in the manner they have done.
Maybe, maybe, maybe...

 

[cotswoldemmie]

Me too Cagney. If you get two similar messages from me take the last one as the correct one.

It's doing that to me too and being incredibly slow

 

[DanceCard]

I think it may be helpful for us to have a bullet point timeline of events as well as a bullet point of facts. Next to each timeline event and each fact, should be the source.
Perhaps then we could have a clear picture of what may or may not have happened based on where that info came from.
I'm not disputing the family's updates, however hearsay, goodwill & emotions are likely to be clouding this case & it's updates.
IMO the police will be working with an unemotional & fact based approach.

We do usually have a timeline on the more complex cases, but this one is so confusing I'm not sure anyone's up to the job! I've wanted to ask for a volunteer to do this for a couple of weeks now but certainly wouldn't offer myself up for the task so didn't feel right asking someone else to do it! :blushing:
Anyone?

 

[CoverMeCagney]

BBM in that case we know nothing more than that Corrie was last seen at 3.24 and to our knowledge hasn't been seen since :tantrum:

Yep, that about sums it up and I'm tantrumming with you!

 

[PurpleWitch]

It took ages for my last post to show. Going to repost as I think it's important . Cctv black hole at Short Brackland according to Corrie's Dad. Photo of Dad and grandparents at Short BRockland sign. looks like even if there's private cctv it may not cover the full Street. http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/742050/Missing-airman-Corrie-McKeague-father-Christmas-agony

 

[DanceCard]

Add me to the tantrum crew!

 

[Shiressleuth]

I think a timeline could be a good idea. My data hardware not up to volunteering but bravo to who does though cos we're a demanding lot.

 

[Shiressleuth]

I posted a message yesterday about the police tracing Corrie/phone using apps that give your location.
I'll see if I can find it and repost to explain what I mean
This is what I posted yesterday...
Just thinking...
Tinder & POF both locate people near you and AFAIK they do this using both GPS and triangulation.
Perhaps the police have people who came forward early on as having spoken to Corrie on either app and those apps would have shown Corries last location, quite definitively as in Barton Mills, Mildenhall, Brandon etc.
This could be even more accurate if he had the Happn app which gives a last "crossed path" location to an actual road name & time.
Any of the above apps would accurately give his location, especially if someone had messaged him & received a reply between 4ish - 8am. Not necessarily someone who'd been involved in his disappearance, just someone whose interaction could confirm he was alive.
Maybe the police have opened accounts in those apps, possibly Grindr too and are watching his accounts, possibly sending messages every now and then.
Maybe Corries POF account has been left open to see if the location changes or to "trap" someone who was involved with him.
Or perhaps sending private messages from Corries actual account.
Just trying to figure out what the police possibly know that may have lead them to conduct the investigation in the manner they have done.
Maybe, maybe, maybe...

Very interesting so they may have other sources phone data that gave them that reasonable belief of being in mildenhall. Mystery deepens.

 

[CoverMeCagney]

Here you go, timeline of facts. Kind of.

Friday night - Corrie goes out, gets drunk, buys food, falls asleep, wakes up
3:24am - Corrie goes into the bin area
4:30ish - Corrie's phone goes for a ride
Blah blah / maybe / but / what if / perhaps / delete as applicable
Monday afternoon - Corrie is reported missing

 

[Dcflag]

It took ages for my last post to show. Going to repost as I think it's important . Cctv black hole at Short Brackland according to Corrie's Dad. Photo of Dad and grandparents at Short BRockland sign. looks like even if there's private cctv it may not cover the full Street. http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/742050/Missing-airman-Corrie-McKeague-father-Christmas-agony

I noticed the wording of black hole in reference to short brackland and the photo also. Looks like the fathers side believe he picked up a lift on short brackland in my opinion