Wait so she's saying she has less culpability because she didn't have the cajones to be more involved? Not because she didn't want to, she just didn't have the guts? Am I off base here? WTH? She sounds to me like she's disappointed that she didn't participate more fully? What a horrid person.I cant work out how statement one balances with statement two ?
1.The girl, now 15, has pleaded guilty to manslaughter but denies murder on the grounds of diminished responsibility.
She said: 'If I was a lot stronger and a bit more mentally capable I would have murdered them.
'But I don't think I could myself take away all of their thoughts and dreams and memories. I don't think I could ever take that away from someone myself.'
2.'I feel OK (about the murders). We made sure we were both definitely OK with it and he continuously asked me if I wanted to go through with it and I said "yes". I said the same to him. It just kind of happened.'
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Is it likely that their identities will ever be made public?
Wait so she's saying she has less culpability because she didn't have the cajones to be more involved? Not because she didn't want to, she just didn't have the guts? Am I off base here? WTH? She sounds to me like she's disappointed that she didn't participate more fully? What a horrid person.
A letter was read to Nottingham Crown Court detailing how the youngsters planned to kill themselves with pills.
It said: “*advertiser censored** you world. I want to be cremated and have our ashes scattered at our special place.”
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/lat...uicide-pact-ice-cream-movie-Elizabeth-Edwards
During a series of questions put to child psychiatrist Indranil Chakrabarti, Joyce suggested the girl and her boyfriend, who is also 15, had sex and watched films after the stabbings.Joyce also put it to the witness that as the first victim was attacked in a bedroom, the schoolgirl checked that her boyfriend was all right, suggesting that she was in control of her actions.
The barrister asked Chakrabarti: “The plan for afterwards was to have a bath together because of the inevitable blood there would be after the killings?”
Chakrabarti, who conceded that the girl had intended to kill both victims, answered: “Yes, there was planning. I do not think the planning was the result of her forming a rational judgment. She was unable to exercise self-control as a result of the medical condition that she was suffering from, in my opinion.”
During his second day in the witness box, Chakrabarti agreed with Joyce that “the plan, apart from who killed Katie, was carried out to the letter”.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...ied-out-plan-stab-mother-daughter-court-hears
Hmm hybristophilia? I don't know if I spelled that correctly. Reminds me of Paul Bernardo and Karla Homolka.Summing up already in this trial
On Thursday morning, the lawyers are expected to summarise evidence heard at Nottingham Crown Court over the past week.
During the hearing a clinical psychiatrist said it was the boy and girl's "intense and toxic relationship" that was behind the killings and that neither would have gone through with it without the other.
The boy has already admitted murder but the girl has pleaded guilty to manslaughter and denied murder on the grounds of diminished responsibility.
The case is expected to resume on Monday on what would have been Katie Edwards' 14th birthday.
http://www.lincolnshireecho.co.uk/j...murder-trial/story-29805100-detail/story.html
was the driving force behind the plot to kill, adding that 'brutality and contempt oozes from every pore of this girl'.
So from the above news
It appears that the press are still not allowed to reveal their names
It is also now clear that this was a targeted attack and that the girl did want Elizabeth and Katie to be killed , rather than the girl just wanted a random person/s to be killed
Amazing that the thought of suicide made her feel sick, but she had no problems in listening to, and being in close proximity to, these two people as they died a horrible death