GUILTY UK - Ellie Butler, 6, brutally murdered, Sutton, 28 Oct 2013 #1

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See my first post on this thread. I believe there are reporting restrictions around "the other child in the house" in the current trial, and that's why the reports are vague about it.
Gotchya. I also think that possibly has been taken care of by others. Going by some of the reports. Family members firstly. Then more distant carers. Either way I'm glad they've not had to endure the reasoning behind the trial now.
I hope that this toxic turn of events is kept on hold from knowing till maybe a more suitable age..
Thank you Supernovae

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Not seen any posts as yet today regarding the trial. Unless it was just a day for evidence to be got thru.

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Sorry I've just seen that Legally Bland has posted the same link.
 
I don't think there was any evidence heard yesterday, at least the case wasn't listed on Law Pages. There was evidence heard today, however: the 999 call and testimony from the ambulance crew. Some of it is pretty graphic:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/harrowing-999-call-reveals-mum-7809477
No the case was adjourned yesterday for what ever reason. Maybe the Barristers had to go thru paperwork etc etc.

Yeah I've gone thru today's notes. The one thing that got me was when the lady paramedic put her hand under Ellie's head to reposition her as there was an orange/red fluid filling up the face mask.. and she described "on gently moving Ellie's head I noticed there was a boggy mass.. Nothing solid at all. Nothing hard as it should be. Not seen that kind of injury from a fall inside a house before"
The other colleague also noted similar. That Ellie's head was boggy.

Soo soo sad this.

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I was wondering the other day about the 2nd child... she's in this pic even though she's cut out of it mostly.

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I was wondering the other day about the 2nd child... she's in this pic even though she's cut out of it mostly.

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The younger daughter is called Izzy. Info still readily available on the internet - they (he) went to great lengths to "prove" their innocence and persuade people that this was a miscarriage of justice. Really quite terrifying - not only that the father was able to manipulate the authorities but even more so that he was able to persuade the mother to cover for him (and take the children back when they were clearly in so much danger). And she still appears to be under his control.

http://www.wwwparentsagainstinjusticeorguk.com/2012_10_14_archive.html
http://shakenbabyandsuddeninfantdeath.blogspot.co.uk/2012/10/sbs-parents-reunited-with-children.html
http://nojusticeinthejudicialsystem.blogspot.co.uk/2012/12/first-christmas-with-his-girls-for.html
http://www.lebanontimes.com/first-c...-for-father-wrongly-jailed-for-child-cruelty/
 
Thank you Lola for clarifying that.
Will check the link in a moment.
As for getting the children back. I'm sure I read somewhere that the injuries Ellie was found to have at 7 weeks old. We're actually due to some trauma/incident that actually happened at childbirth.
The small bleed/lesion that was on Ellie's brain. Wasn't actually due to the dad and SBS. (Shaken baby syndrome)
However I'm not sure of the time scale or who eventually set the record straight. I'm sure it's Googleable.
So maybe the 'doting dad' did get his temper up with her. But was exonerated by a Physician.
Which led to Ellie coming home and met her horrible demise less than a year later.
I do wonder if the other daughter Izzy has suffered similar. I hope not. But I would want to know why.
He can put on a very professional front. Cold and calculating. Like a switch. To relevant people/situations.
Then he explodes into a psychotic rage. Spitting venom. At Jennie or Ellie it seems... possibly the puppy has had a kicking too.... I wouldn't put anything past someone who can turn on n off like that.

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And she still appears to be under his control.

Well she's plead guilty to perverting the course of justice in relation to the events after Ellie's death:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-36110279

Ms Gray admits perverting the course of justice by hiding or destroying evidence.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...ix-year-old-injured-like-car-crash-court-told

Gray has admitted perverting the course of justice by allegedly helping her partner destroy evidence and stage the scene in the two hours after Ellie was fatally hurt.

The extent of her admissions remain to be seen but hopefully she's told the police pretty much everything. She seems to have been caught in multiple lies:

http://metro.co.uk/2016/04/19/mothe...up-that-hed-just-murdered-daughter-6-5827224/

Gray’s actions flowed from the ‘abusive and violent’ relationship with Butler and her ‘irrational devotion’ to him, always putting him first, jurors were told.

When he was arrested, Butler made no comment while Gray stuck to her ‘lying’ account that they had found Ellie on the bedroom floor, having been alerted by another child in the house at the time, who cannot be named for legal reasons.

http://news.sky.com/story/1681610/girl-murdered-after-dads-conviction-quashed

Gray is said to have had an "irrational devotion" to Butler – but last May admitted lying about her daughter’s death and sobbed in court as the 999 call was played.

There are so many chilling aspects of this but among them is his preoccupation, in your links, with having to be around child abusers in prison.

Finally in March 2009 Ben faced trial at Croydon Crown Court.
He said: “It all revolved around medical evidence. But unless you were a qualified medic I can’t see how you’d understand any of it.”
To his horror he was found guilty and sentenced to 18 months’ imprisonment.
Ben said: “I had to serve my time on the nonces’ wing.
“It was hideous, being in with men that had done unspeakable things to children.
“I never spoke a word to any of them the whole time.
“I couldn’t even have a photo of Ellie in there in case any paedos got off on it.”

Given an 18-month sentence, he was forced to share a prison cell with a convicted child abuser.
He said: 'I was put with sex offenders. I never spoke to the guy I shared a cell with - it's like being put in a mental hospital when you're not mental. It was just a horrible, dirty feeling where everyone is on a different wavelength.'

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The full 999 call:

[video=youtube;eNYEZGZHCe0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNYEZGZHCe0[/video]
 
The full 999 call:

[video=youtube;eNYEZGZHCe0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNYEZGZHCe0[/video]
 
Today's Daily Mail article titled "Mother accused of lying 'to protect abusive partner who murdered their six-year-old daughter searched for urgent magic spells to make him love her'

About letters, diaries Gray had written, later found by the police.

"She typed: 'I wish he was dead because he hurts me so much and nobody really cares about me' and searched online for an 'urgent spell to make him be sorry for hurting me' and a 'magic spell to make him love me again'.
She also wrote: 'I am with a bully man who beats me and tells me I am ugly and fat and hurts me all the time' followed by 'magic spell to stop his hate'.

"Please make Ben become completely supportive and don't let it be true about Lauren or anyone else."

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...magic-spells-make-love-her.html#ixzz46whm2v8g

She was definitely "irrational" as was described at trial last week - instead of looking for spells and prayers she could have just left him.
Awful crime. Have been following it but once again didn't know there was a WS thread for this case.
Real pity there is not a simple sub forum button under Crimes in the News on the home page for UK, Europe etc. (Mods - if you're reading.)

The emergency call, what I could make out - how utterly conniving is he? Being able to act out that drama and even act out the abuse to the call handler two hours after the crime.

also this says a lot IMO :
"A note discovered in a suitcase in the couple's bedroom was headed 'To Jennie'. It stated: 'I just wanted to tell you I'm proud of how well you are doing, I know it's hard.'Please try harder with your mouth as it's a trigger for me.'


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...magic-spells-make-love-her.html#ixzz46wk4ZFeu
 
This is the 2012 interview with him talking about "their ordeal" over his first 3/ 18 month imprisonment on the 2007 conviction, quashed in 2010, but children remained in care til 2012 hence giving interviews two years later in 2012.

"Removals man Ben said yesterday: “We should be over the moon. But my fear is we will never, ever be able to be a real family again.
“Ellie has been away from us for over five years. And Izzy came home last week and for the first few days was confused and upset.
“It tore me apart to see her sitting there crying for her foster parents.
“My fear is that although I’ve been cleared my family has been destroyed forever.
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The nightmare began in February 2007 when Ben, who was then separated from Jennie, took charge of baby Ellie for a night.Graphic designer Jennie had no qualms about leaving the newborn.She recalled: “If anything, he was an over-protective dad.“He would text me things like, ‘I think I’ve given her too much milk!’”
Ben said: “From the moment I saw her I fell in love. I just adored her and wanted to be a hands-on dad. I saw her as much as I could, even having her overnight if I could.”
That night in February, Jennie dropped Ellie off as usual........”

jennie says about conceiving her second child after his release pending appeal ( 3 months into his sentence) and when they had got back together as a couple:
"She revealed: “I was terrified that social services would take my baby away.“So I registered under a false name 60 miles away from where I was living.
“I kept the pregnancy a secret from everyone.“I had Izzy, but when the baby was six months old someone tipped off social services.

his/her description of rest of the 2007 event is in the link below

http://shakenbabyandsuddeninfantdeath.blogspot.co.uk/2012_10_01_archive.html
 
Well the Court were back in and sitting today. But so far no updates. Whether it was a day for just viewing evidence, and going over the testimonies from the paramedics. Or any late toxicology reports in.
It's far easier for the Jury to learn about the complexity of the case. As the CPS seem to want to tie the 2007 events along with Izzy's subsequent birth and all that came with a police chase. Arresting Jennie to take Izzy and place her into (as they say it) Foster Care.
Listening and reading leads to why the CPS and POLICE. Took this case and ran with it.
Huuuuuuufffftt!

Okay right. The residing Judge SHOULD of had all paperwork
Which shows the discrepancy between Ellie's injurys. ... and why/how/where/what had gone so wrong but there were nothing else to do but overturn the then Charges..

I'm hoping that Court will sit tomorrow.
I know it's been a very distressing trial. But we have got to place our faith in the Judicial team this time. As THIS time.. is a whole different ball game...

R.I.PELLIE ♡

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Gray's police interview played to the jury today

Jurors were today shown a video recording of the interview with a police officer in which Gray broke down in tears as she said she had 'no reason' to think her partner had anything to do with the death.
Through floods of tears, she said: 'I don't know what happened here and all I can say to you is I don't believe Ben has done anything to her. I have got no reason to think that.'

She added that if she had seen or thought anything untoward, she would say so.
On her jobless partner of seven years, she said: 'He does a bloody good job. He does the school run, takes into town.
'All the things I feel as a mother I should do and he does it really well. I have a skill I have a trade. He does not have that. It's the only way.'
While sat in an armchair wearing a black, fur-hooded gilet over a black top and green trousers: 'Part of me, she added: 'I keep thinking if I had not gone to work ....all these ifs and I'm just blaming myself. I will never forgive myself.'
'I feel like it was my fault, I didn't resuscitate her properly, I didn't check on her when I came home, I didn't check on her before I left for work,' said Gray.
She said she then had to tell Butler, who arrived at the hospital separately, his daughter had died.
'He just went to pieces,' she sobbed. 'He said: 'No, it's our little baby'.
'She looked like him, always looked like him, had dark eyes and dark hair. She looks just like him.'


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...magic-spells-make-love-her.html#ixzz46xrnamOZ

his and her letters to each other published in the link also
 
Reports from yesterday's trial: testimony from medics and police about their behaviour.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-36132678

Ben Butler allegedly became "hostile" and "aggressive" toward officers after six-year-old Ellie Butler died in hospital in October 2013.

He "stared accusingly" at an officer collecting evidence, the jury was told.

...

PC Steve Stewart told the court: "I discovered them both to be hostile and unwilling to speak to police until the previous matter was known where they believed there had been a miscarriage of justice."

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/crim...er-daughter-was-pronounced-dead-a3233216.html

Ben Butler, 36, allegedly became "hostile" and "aggressive" towards officers and even told one to "*advertiser censored** off" after little Ellie Butler was pronounced dead in hospital on the afternoon of October 28 2013.

The house husband "stared accusingly" at an officer after he went about collecting the little girl's pink pyjamas for evidence and examined her body for other injuries, the court heard.

...

According to an officer's notes, Butler went on to say that on the day of her death, he had given Ellie a jam sandwich, crisps and Chewitts before Gray arrived home from work early.

The next time he saw his daughter was when she was collapsed on the floor of her bedroom, the defendant allegedly said.

Following his arrest, Butler was observed to quietly mutter to himself "I have done nothing wrong" as he was taken to a police station.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...e-victim-of-miscarriage-of-justice-court-told

Butler explained he was “nervous” about talking to the authorities because of his previous experience with the criminal justice system, allegedly telling officers: “Years ago Ellie had a ventouse section delivery and had a bleed on the brain at six weeks old which caused accusations. I went to court, jail, came out.

“They found out it was a medical problem and a miscarriage of justice. I have nothing to hide but that’s why I’m nervous. I’m currently suing the police. Everything was twisted and turned.”

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Earlier that day, his and Gray’s behaviour was noted by medics as they tried to save Ellie’s life.

Ambulance technician Marcin Gmach said he saw Butler tell the other child in the house: “Ellie is asleep and they are trying to wake her up and she’s going to be OK.”

Gray was sitting next to Ellie shouting and screaming “You are strong like mummy. You will be fine,” Gmach said.

As Ellie was taken into an ambulance, Butler asked: “What am I supposed to do now?” and Gmach advised him to stay at home with the other child.

But Butler replied: “There’s no way. I’m going with you,” and took the other child into the second ambulance to the hospital.

Gmach told jurors: “When I leaned over the stretcher to make sure the seatbelt was fastened I smelt a strong smell of aftershave from the father which I had not noticed in the corridor when I was standing next to him.”

Asked by prosecutor Ben FitzGerald if he found that strange, Gmach said: “Yes. If that were me, that would be the last thing I would be thinking about, to spray myself before I left the house.”
 
And today:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/10-things-ellie-wrong-anguished-7837948

Jurors at the Old Bailey were read notes written by his partner Jennie Gray, 36, found inside a make-up bag in her wardrobe.

One read: "Please let Ben become completely supportive. Do not let it be true about Lauren or anyone else.

"Make him stop being angry, hateful and violent. Make him sorry and willing to be nice."

Another said: "Dear Jesus, dear beautiful goddess and most (illegible) God.

"Please make my home.. Ellie, Ben and I all happy together as a family.

"Please don't let Ben leave me but make him learn to like me. Stop violence and make him WANT ME and be there at the birth if I have a baby boy."

...

Another note written by Ms Gray fretted over Ellie's behaviour, outlining 10 points including "lying, not doing as she's told, does not listen or pay attention, constantly answers back, argues, constantly manipulative, feel you can't trust her, acts like a child prior to her years, we feel she is aware she is doing this".

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http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/apr/26/ben-butler-trial-accused-court

An account of Jennie Gray's (first?) police interview.

Jurors were shown a recording of the interview with a police officer in which Gray said she heard Ellie playing in her room after she got home.

She told the officer she left work early that day because there were not many staff around and she thought she “might as well”.

In the taxi, she said she received a text from Butler saying he “fancied chilli tonight” and she thought: “Great, thanks a lot.”

When she arrived home, Gray said she could hear Ellie “playing in her room” with the door closed before she called her downstairs for cake – a treat she would “normally jump at”.

She told the officer: “We thought she was messing about because sometimes she says she can’t hear us. You think she’s having a joke.”

She became worried after another child in the house went to rouse her saying: “Ellie wake up.”

Weeping, Gray described finding Ellie lying on the floor of her bedroom not breathing. She said: “I was like ‘Ellie, what’s going on?’ and she’s just lying there on her back and I’m like ‘Ellie what are you doing’. Stop mucking about. I screamed so much I lost my voice.”

Gray went on to describe the fraught 999 call and efforts of medical staff to resuscitate Ellie before she was pronounced dead at St George’s hospital at 4.01pm. She said: “I was saying ‘please, please bring my baby back’. It was just chaos.”

Butler “went to pieces” but Gray said she tried to stay strong as she told the other child Ellie was “with Jesus now”.

Contrast this with the earlier evidence of her colleagues and a taxi driver:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/ben-butler-trial-recap-dad-7793323

Gray arrived home sometime around 1.50pm, the court heard. Around 20 minutes, she messaged her boss saying she had had to go home because she was feeling unwell.
At 2.46pm, Butler and Gray rang 999.
In a statement read out to the court, Gray’s work colleague Tracey Bernstein said she suspected something “was just not right” throughout the short time the defendant was in the office on October 28.
Gray, a graphic designer, had only been with the company for less than two weeks, the jury were told.
Ms Bernstein said: “She gathered her things, just stood up and walked out.
“The way she got up was just not right. I had the feeling she was walking out of the job and not coming back.
“I wondered if she just had enough and it wasn’t for her.”
Ms Bernstein said Gray had come into work and told her her partner was down in Cornwall, looking after his ill father, and that Ellie was being looked after by her godfather.
Other colleagues saw Gray on the phone shortly before she left the office.

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Derek Greenwood, the taxi driver who picked Gray up in central London and drove her back to Sutton, took the witness stand just before the court broke for lunch.
He said she seemed “quite keen and desperate to get a cab”.
Mr Greenwood said: “She said ‘Can you take me? My child is really ill.’
“She was quite anxious. I said yes to the fare.”
He remembered her talking on her phone during the journey, he told the jury, and hearing the words ‘You’re joking’ and ‘You’ve done what?’ or ‘You’ve gone where?’
He said: “I remember hearing ‘you’ve gone where?’ because I was waiting to be told to change the destination.”
Gray, Mr Greenwood said, was “slightly agitated” during the journey and paid cash for the £50 fare.
“She paid me and was gone,” he said.
The next evening, while watching local TV news and a report about Ellie’s death, he realised his fare might have been a significant one, Mr Greenwood said.
He will be cross-examined after lunch.
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After the lunch break, taxi driver Mr Greenwood said he was set to refuse to take Gray to Sutton because storm damage had left felled trees in the roads outside central London.
But Gray’s alleged plea about her sick child made him change his mind.
Under cross-examination by Bernard Tetlow QC, for Gray, Mr Greenwood said: “I distinctly remember those words [’Can you take me? My child is really ill’ as allegedly said by Gray] because it made me take the job. I was going to refuse the job.”

This article shows CCTV of her running from her office to catch a taxi:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/cctv-captures-mum-running-home-7800305
 
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