GUILTY UK - Ellie Butler, 6, brutally murdered, Sutton, 28 Oct 2013 #1

[cottonweaver]

I wonder why JG stayed at home, according to her work colleague, to look after Ellie on Friday 25th Oct. I don't recall there being any mention of a school absence on that date.

yeah there wasn't . Acc to past posts - it's the day BB rowed with the head.
I can't find the post that says JG took 25th off work, but I know she already had a poor record - she was likely in probationary period - dep on work contract of course.

 

[squish]

Two tweets on CourtNewsUK Twitter about JG, don't know how to embed

 

[Legally Bland]

Two tweets on CourtNewsUK Twitter about JG, don't know how to embed

If you click on an individual tweet, then copy and paste the address from the address bar it should automatically embed.

WS only lets you embed one tweet per post.

Hope that helps, or I can do it when I get a chance.

 

[Gigi-G]

CourtNewsUK ‏@CourtNewsUK
Alleged child killer's partner Jennie Gray says:There's nothing more annoying for Ben Butler than being accused of something he hasn't done

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[Gigi-G]

CourtNewsUK ‏@CourtNewsUK
Ellie's mum insists: 'Ours was no house of horrors'. - Court News UK http://scl.io/sRs4kl8K via @getsocial_io







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[Gigi-G]

I can only copy n paste text as don't have twitter

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[Legally Bland]

Some bits from this morning. This phone call seems familiar.

In February 2007, Ms Gray said when she dropped Ellie off with Mr Butler, he said: "Cor, she's pale, isn't she?"

Later, Mr Butler's friend phoned Ms Gray to tell her to get to the hospital.

During this phone call, she could hear Mr Butler screaming that Ellie was not breathing, Ms Gray told the court

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-36357835

 

[Legally Bland]

I can only copy n paste text as don't have twitter

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It's probably better tbh, I'm sure I've seen posters say they can't see embedded tweets on their phone.

 

[Gigi-G]

Depends how fast they tweet. I'm assuming their out for lunch atm.

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[cottonweaver]

from your link

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-36357835

Ms Gray, also 36, said the texts came across as "harsher than they were" and that his "bark is definitely worse than his bite".
She told jurors he used to threaten her but they were empty threats.
"He would say I'll maim you, I'll get you, and I would sit there in my room and say 'yeah of course you will treacle'."
She added: "I'm not afraid of Ben Butler. He does not scare me. I never felt like that. We were both very, very bad to each other. But I didn't feel threatened."

BIB Anyone feeling sickened by her little flourishes?

UL Part of the calculated scam- part of a claim the threats were never face to face - just words at a distance.
ETA - Ok, let's see these text responses which say "course you will duckie", "whatevs", "talk to the hand" etc etc. Not seen any response like that from her in all the text exchanges.

 

[Legally Bland]

Summary of this morning from the DM.

Ellie later made a full recovery. Gray accused the hospital of injuring Ellie at birth, saying they had 'overdosed her baby with radiation' and accused medics of misdiagnosing a rare condition. She continued: 'Had anybody listened to me and believed what I said, I don't believe half of this would have happened.'

Butler was later arrested over the alleged shaking incident and Ellie was taken into care, leaving Gray 'heartbroken'.
Gray sobbed as she told the jury: 'I remember walking out of that door, the foster carer holding Ellie and her head turned and Ellie watched me walk out of the door.

'I fell on the front driveway because they wouldn't let me take my baby home and it took me a while to get up off that floor.

'The social worker just sat in the car and didn't care. She wasn't even human. The foster carer had tears in her eyes.'
Gray told how she fell apart after losing her daughter and turned to drink 'because my heart was so broken'.

'I remember Ben picking me up off the floor one time and said: "Please get up, please survive. We will get your little girl back". Ben helped me, he helped me survive.'

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...aughter-mother-tells-court.html#ixzz49UCKUyx2

BIB. Is the radiation thing new? I thought they were claiming it was a polyps or cyst in the respiratory tract, or something to that effect.

They obviously aren't being tried for the 2007 incident, but I don't think it helps them if they aren't being consistent about it. Maybe it was clearer in the court room. IDK.

 

[tlcya]

While things are on a break this might be a good time for a new thread. I don't want to break your continuity. Thoughts?

 

[cottonweaver]

While things are on a break this might be a good time for a new thread. I don't want to break your continuity. Thoughts?

Go for it ticya

 

[cottonweaver]

Summary of this morning from the DM.



BIB. Is the radiation thing new? I thought they were claiming it was a polyps or cyst in the respiratory tract, or something to that effect.

They obviously aren't being tried for the 2007 incident, but I don't think it helps them if they aren't being consistent about it. Maybe it was clearer in the court room. IDK.

Yes radiation is new, never been mentioned before

 

[tlcya]

Okay, thread #2 is ready. Please begin moving over while court is on this break. This thread will close in about ten minutes.

 

[cottonweaver]

JG

".....has described three months of abusive texts to her as empty threats that were part of their “childish” rowing.....and that messages in which he called her a “****” or a “*****” meant nothing.

....She said he was never violent towards her or Ellie and the few times he had shoved her it was because she was “in his face”, and that texts in which she begged him not to kick her out or not to beat her up were just her being “*****y” or “dramatic”.

“When I’m in an argument with someone I can be very *****y and very sarcastic,” she told jurors .....

She said she felt hormonal after a botched abortion in January 2013 and texts in which she referred to him threatening to beat her were just “me being exaggerative”.

She said she was ashamed of the texts, telling the jury that the trial was about the death of Ellie, not their rows, which she described as childish......

Asked about one exchange in which she said Butler had kicked her in the genitals after he allegedly wanted her to mimic a *advertiser censored* scene, she responded: “All I can say is I have never been kicked by Ben Butler, let alone in the female regions.”

much more at the link guys - I'm snipping to keep to 10%
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/may/23/ben-butler-trial-partner-jennie-gray-abusive-texts

 

[tlcya]

This one is closed now.