UK - Healthcare worker arrested on suspicion of murder/attempted murder of a number of babies, 2018

[Kemug]

I know nothing about caring for a newborn, eg what a nurse is meant to do for a baby just born. I did wonder if a baby is bathed in warm water, but using cold water might be fatal? I suppose this is ridiculous.

 

[Marantz4250b]

I know nothing about caring for a newborn, eg what a nurse is meant to do for a baby just born. I did wonder if a baby is bathed in warm water, but using cold water might be fatal? I suppose this is ridiculous.

Given the totally bizarre nature of this case I don't think that anything is particularly ridiculous, to be honest.

 

[Tortoise]

Apologies if already discussed - it only just occurred to me to wonder about what was put on each of these baby's death certificates as to the cause of death. This could be a problem for the prosecution, that multiple errors of determination of a seemingly natural cause of death were made (I'm assuming). IMO

 

[Marantz4250b]

Apologies if already discussed - it only just occurred to me to wonder about what was put on each of these baby's death certificates as to the cause of death. This could be a problem for the prosecution, that multiple errors of determination of a seemingly natural cause of death were made (I'm assuming). IMO

I suspect that depending on when they occurred they may not have issued any yet. I think we'll see inquests after the trial is concluded. We definitely will if it results in convictions.

I think you're right in that differing causes noted on death certificates (or in individual medical records) are going to cause problems, potentially to both sides. Lots of medical determinations essentially come down to an individual's personal opinion. This, I believe, is why the trial is scheduled in for so much court time - there is unlikely to be any really damning evidence. If there were they'd have commenced it by now, I reckon.

 

[Tortoise]

Blunders on maternity wards are costing the NHS £2.3billion in payouts each year, the report revealed. Nearly four in ten maternity services are failing to meet safety standards.

The report by the health and social care select committee found that a 'debilitating culture of blame' had prevented the NHS from learning lessons from previous tragedies.

It looked at infant mortality rates in the UK, calculating that 'if we had the same rate as Sweden, approximately 1,000 more babies would survive each year'.

Professor Ted Baker, chief inspector at the Care Quality Commission (CQC), told MPs this was 'a reflection of the cultural issues in maternity services nationally'.

This includes a 'defensive culture, dysfunctional teams and safety lessons not learned'.

NHS failure to learn from tragedies led to hundreds of excess maternity unit deaths | Daily Mail Online

 

[HollyHunter9]

Blunders on maternity wards are costing the NHS £2.3billion in payouts each year, the report revealed. Nearly four in ten maternity services are failing to meet safety standards.

The report by the health and social care select committee found that a 'debilitating culture of blame' had prevented the NHS from learning lessons from previous tragedies.

It looked at infant mortality rates in the UK, calculating that 'if we had the same rate as Sweden, approximately 1,000 more babies would survive each year'.

Professor Ted Baker, chief inspector at the Care Quality Commission (CQC), told MPs this was 'a reflection of the cultural issues in maternity services nationally'.

This includes a 'defensive culture, dysfunctional teams and safety lessons not learned'.

NHS failure to learn from tragedies led to hundreds of excess maternity unit deaths | Daily Mail Online

Totally believe this! Both from a maternity patient perspective and also from the perspective of working within the NHS.

 

[Kitkat28]

Blunders on maternity wards are costing the NHS £2.3billion in payouts each year, the report revealed. Nearly four in ten maternity services are failing to meet safety standards.

The report by the health and social care select committee found that a 'debilitating culture of blame' had prevented the NHS from learning lessons from previous tragedies.

It looked at infant mortality rates in the UK, calculating that 'if we had the same rate as Sweden, approximately 1,000 more babies would survive each year'.

Professor Ted Baker, chief inspector at the Care Quality Commission (CQC), told MPs this was 'a reflection of the cultural issues in maternity services nationally'.

This includes a 'defensive culture, dysfunctional teams and safety lessons not learned'.

NHS failure to learn from tragedies led to hundreds of excess maternity unit deaths | Daily Mail Online

I agree with @HollyHunter9 in that I can totally believe it, however… how many other NHS staff have been charged with murdering any of those babies?

 

[Bakers]

I agree with @HollyHunter9 in that I can totally believe it, however… how many other NHS staff have been charged with murdering any of those babies?

How many other NHS were even arrested for the murder of these babies? ? Not forgetting it's only the police that say these babies were murdered in the 1st place

 

[Kitkat28]

How many other NHS were even arrested for the murder of these babies? ? Not forgetting it's only the police that say these babies were murdered in the 1st place

I didn’t mean the babies in this case, I meant the other 1000 babies in the report.

 

[Bakers]

I didn’t mean the babies in this case, I meant the other 1000 babies in the report.

Oh right sorry thought you meant on this case.I know one hospital blamed parents for babies deaths management should be looked at in this hospitals running wards understaffed and under graded nursing care

 

[Parker Knoll]

LL for plea at Manchester Crown Court Monday 4th 2pm

 

[Mrs Marple]

I can't figure this case out at all. Assuming we are expecting her to plead NG?

 

[Parker Knoll]

Me neither. It’s beyond odd. I can’t see her pleading on Monday but who knows. Everything is off on this case.

 

[Kemug]

What if she does plead guilty? Can we believe her?

 

[Sarahlou]

What if she does plead guilty? Can we believe her?

I highly doubt she'll plead guilty. But if she did then I'd assume the evidence against her was overwhelming.

 

[Catdetective]

If it turns out she is innocent, she must feel like she's in a living nightmare.

 

[Parker Knoll]

It’s all bizarre IMHO

 

[JosieJo]

There's a lot of "nervousness" around this case ..personally I don't understand that nervousness as at the minute we have no idea how much evidence they have.
Imo we do not have any more reasons to be nervous than with other charges in other cases at this stage.
I do think she will plead tomorrow as the judge was clear at the last hearing that its been a long time because of the amount of information required to be disclosed and didn't want further delays. JMO

 

[Parker Knoll]

She will enter a plea tomorrow as you quite rightly pointed out the trial judge does not want further delays. There has been issues over where the trial will take place that may have put delays in place but still. Listing cases in court as a barristers clerk was my job for many many years. This is beyond weird all round.

 

[MrsWatson]

I don't know what to think about this one. Not a whiff of an idea. There are a lot of charges. There must be a lot of evidence.

Yet no one had any thought of something being off with her?

Looking forward to what we find out tomorrow.