GUILTY UK - Helen Bailey, 51, Royston, 11 April 2016 #3

[icemaiden65]

I am so sorry for your loss, and in such terrible, cruel circumstances! Thank you for bravely sharing that with us on the forum. You remind us powerfully that murder creates many victims. And it is always a life sentence without parole for the deceased's loved ones. I hope you won't mind me asking - if the killer is to be released, will your family be informed? God bless.

Thank you Dolly for your very kind words.In truth, I have no idea if we will even be informed of his possible release - maybe as he knows where some of us live. I raised a few UK petitions and begged, almost on my knees, our Local MP and then the Home Secretary to review our situation - to no avail of course. We are/were bound by EU regulations. We do know that he had to be moved to another prison due to violent and mutilating attacks. How sad, I hope others stood back and let it happen. Yes, I'm very bitter as you can imagine as he had murdered a helpless elderly lady. In UK prisons you are the lowest scum if you murder children and older people as well as those who are helpless. I think IS has it coming to him! One very sweet member of this forum does have an inkling of my story - and for that, nice person, I thank you for your kindness after our initial misunderstanding. x

 

[Rayemonde]

You couldn't suffocate a dog in a pillowcase... My dog sleeps under my duvet and has no problem breathing even if his nose is pushed up against the duvet. And if you tried to suffocate a dog in a bin-bag they would just bite through the bag.

 

[mbmc]

And here is where I tell you a little bit of my own story. My beloved Aunt, in her 80's and also my Godmother - very much loved and trusting/harmless - was murdered by a young ****/neighbour of hers a few years ago.........whom she trusted. For money. He stole £400 in cash - that's all. In the process he beat my darling Aunt to an unrecognisable pulp (she had to be identified from ONE single eye left intact) as she fought back and tried to crawl to the telephone for help. Then he set her on fire before she was even dead. He used an Oriental wall hanging which my parents had sent many decades earlier from our Far East trips.

He got 28 years, deductions were due to his guilty plea (blood/DNA splattered all over the house and his prints everywhere - I was even returned some of my own correspondence a while after - splattered with her blood stains) AND the fact that he was only just 20+. When will he be out? God only knows but I suspect it will be sooner than later. Needless to say the horror lives on, and on, and on. It truly isn't until you experience it first hand that murder takes hold of the rest of your life and, to be honest, almost destroys it. It's a feeling totally different to sleuthing, commenting and so on - it actually rips your whole being apart. For months on end, some nights I just stood in our garden and screamed aloud in anguish. I weep for Helen's family and still for my beloved Aunt. Please, if there is a God or some other force, let justice prevail for Helen and little Boris.

Oh icemaiden I have tears here, bless you I cannot imagine your heartache.

I commend your wanting justice for Helen and Boris


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[Joely 123]

You couldn't suffocate a dog in a pillowcase... My dog sleeps under my duvet and has no problem breathing even if his nose is pushed up against the duvet. And if you tried to suffocate a dog in a bin-bag they would just bite through the bag.

Absolutely, Rayemonde - Dachshunds also love to bury themselves under bedding. Being originally 'Badger dogs' they can be susceptible to loss in Rabbit holes when out walking. They are strong and brave little dogs. I don't believe IS could have suffocated Boris without a huge struggle, and an alarming noise - and possible bite marks. It seems, horrifically that he would murder little Boris through deception. As he murdered Helen through manipulation and deception in a different way. Heartbreakingly evil.

 

[Joely 123]

Oh icemaiden I have tears here, bless you I cannot imagine your heartache.

I commend your wanting justice for Helen and Boris


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Nothing will take away the pain icemaiden - he stole your beloved Aunt and Godmother. I hope he doesn't ever steal the lovely memories you have with your Aunt, nor you strength in finding peace again, and that Justice shall keep this dangerous neighbour behind bars so you can feel safe and freer of him. Your Aunt would be so proud of you in your continuing plea for Justice for her - and for Helen and Boris.

 

[DollyDiamond]

Thank you Dolly for your very kind words.In truth, I have no idea if we will even be informed of his possible release - maybe as he knows where some of us live. I raised a few UK petitions and begged, almost on my knees, our Local MP and then the Home Secretary to review our situation - to no avail of course. We are/were bound by EU regulations. We do know that he had to be moved to another prison due to violent and mutilating attacks. How sad, I hope others stood back and let it happen. Yes, I'm very bitter as you can imagine as he had murdered a helpless elderly lady. In UK prisons you are the lowest scum if you murder children and older people as well as those who are helpless. I think IS has it coming to him! One very sweet member of this forum does have an inkling of my story - and for that, nice person, I thank you for your kindness after our initial misunderstanding. x

My heart goes out to you and yours Icemaiden, I'm sure you never get over the pain of such an appalling, cruel injustice but I hope at some point you learn to live with what you cannot change. I feel sure your lovely aunt would want you to remember the good times and find consolation in your happy memories of her and not the manner of her death. Without getting too political here, I found your comments about campaigning very interesting and alas (IMO) the rights of victims and their families have long been woefully neglected in the misguided pursuit of offenders' 'human rights'.

Yes, ultimately these scumbags get what's coming to them. It is small comfort I know and please don't think me trite, but I am a big believer in karma - I strongly believe the evil we do to others comes back on us, and if not in this world then the next.

I discovered this forum only recently and I have been amazed and humbled at the quality, brilliance and authenticity of the people and posts I have found here. Bless you for adding your voice, as someone who has experienced first hand the agony of losing a loved-one to murder, your perspective is especially pertinent. Thank you. X

 

[Joely 123]

Photo from Daily Mail shows there is a path around the conservatory .... Is that a gate through to the drive?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...t-man-55-suspicion-murder-disposing-body.html

I see a gate through to the drive - and 5 steps (equalling four to manoeuvre) ... although as has been said before, we know there were many ways to go from the house to the garage without impossible difficulty on the part of IS.

 

[Joely 123]

I have been reading that it is quite difficult to asphyxiate a dog.

I had a thought about Boris' demise but perhaps it would be insensitive to post about that and not of relevance. Although after what we have heard about Helen's discovery maybe not.........?

I think that little Boris would have evidence of 'crushing in his skeletal' if he had been asphyxiated. And would have been found by the Pathologists.

 

[BatFace]

Joely, if you zoom in on the photo of the steps, the path starts from just the second step.

 

[Cherwell]

I see a gate through to the drive - and 5 steps (equalling four to manoeuvre) ... although as has been said before, we know there were many ways to go from the house to the garage without impossible difficulty on the part of IS.

No, there's only one step down from the patio level to the path around the conservatory. The path is level with the second step down. This can be seen on another photo at the Daily Mail link.

 

[Joely 123]

I'm afraid I'm still thinking that Boris went in that pit alive and was overcome by the fumes. I don't think his barking (if he did bark) would have alerted any suspicion. He was a barky sort of dog and the neighbours would be used to hearing him, and the neighbours are a bit of a distance away anyway.

I wondered if the scent on the bench was due to IS sitting there wearing the trousers that the dog indicated too.

I can't image any way that IS could manage the demise of Boris, which, of course was essential to protect his 'missing' concerns of Helen, than to drown him. It is a horrific thought, but all of this is not horrific to someone who is saving his 'skin' rather than any consideration towards method, place of 'burial hiding'. It is vile beyond - any concerns of that which is sacred. There are so many levels of barking - dogs are talking - and any neighbour becomes accustomed to the difference between short, I hear the Postman - to long prolonged barking in being abandoned. Boris would follow IS with a certain trust but if he saw Helen in a pit, he would leap to her.

 

[peter010101]

... may have even used the toy as extra impetus for Boris to jump in.

I think the toy was found inside a pillow-case though.

 

[Joely 123]

Joely, if you zoom in on the photo of the steps, the path starts from just the second step.

Oh yes!! I am so NOT a Websleuth - that makes it relatively easy .. and certainly doesn't need 'stomach muscles'. Thank you, Batface.

 

[Joely 123]

I think the toy was found inside a pillow-case though.

Peter - where do we know this from. I remember each item being listed separately. But if the toy was in the pillowcase, that wouldn't necessarily help the question of how IS murdered him from within the pillowcase. I am interested in your thoughts - and everything to do with Boris.

 

[Tortoise]

Peter - where do we know this from. I remember each item being listed separately. But if the toy was in the pillowcase, that wouldn't necessarily help the question of how IS murdered him from within the pillowcase. I am interested in your thoughts - and everything to do with Boris.

[FONT=&quot]“After Helen’s body was recovered we also recovered a pillow case which contained a dog’s toy and two bin bags.”

http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/news/cambridge-news/helen-bailey-murder-trial-more-12512651
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[DollyDiamond]

Peter - where do we know this from. I remember each item being listed separately. But if the toy was in the pillowcase, that wouldn't necessarily help the question of how IS murdered him from within the pillowcase. I am interested in your thoughts - and everything to do with Boris.

I guess we will never know for sure unless the one person who knows, IS comes clean. He is such a coward, he will never tell the true story of his barbarity to Helen and Boris, and admit the monster he is. My one hope above all other is that Helen did not know of Boris' demise and Boris did not know of Helen's demise. They loved each other so much, if each knew the fate of the other that would a terrible added cruelty. My little dog happens to be snuggling me as I type this, and I must admit it has brought a tear to my eye!

 

[Joely 123]

I guess we will never know for sure unless the one person who knows, IS comes clean. He is such a coward, he will never tell the true story of his barbarity to Helen and Boris, and admit the monster he is. My one hope above all other is that Helen did not know of Boris' demise and Boris did not know of Helen's demise. They loved each other so much, if each knew the fate of the other that would a terrible added cruelty. My little dog happens to be snuggling me as I type this, and I must admit it has brought a tear to my eye!

I can't believe he, IS, could commit the horror towards Helen and Boris - without at least one of them knowing the horror. I would like to cover my eyes - but I can't ... as we all cannot.

 

[Joely 123]

[FONT=&amp]“After Helen’s body was recovered we also recovered a pillow case which contained a dog’s toy and two bin bags.”

http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/news/cambridge-news/helen-bailey-murder-trial-more-12512651
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Thank you Tortoise - what evilness did he commit

 

[Alyce]

[FONT="]“After Helen’s body was recovered we also recovered a pillow case which contained a dog’s toy and two bin bags.”

http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/news/cambridge-news/helen-bailey-murder-trial-more-12512651
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So
Helen's body is wrapped inside the duvet
The duvet is then placed inside the two bin liners, either one at each end of her body, or one inside the other, to add extra strength to pull the bag along the floor.
the toy........yes we know what that was used for
So what was the pillow case used for ?
do we come back to him using a pillow for the suffocation ? and if so, would he not get rid of the pillow as well as the duvet ? or is that why the duvet was so carefully folded to take to the dump, because there was a pillow inside ?

 

[cottonweaver]

So
Helen's body is wrapped inside the duvet
The duvet is then placed inside the two bin liners, either one at each end of her body, or one inside the other, to add extra strength to pull the bag along the floor.
the toy........yes we know what that was used for
So what was the pillow case used for ?
do we come back to him using a pillow for the suffocation ? and if so, would he not get rid of the pillow as well as the duvet ? or is that why the duvet was so carefully folded to take to the dump, because there was a pillow inside ?

Just on BIB
I always assumed.....
In another room he picks up tiny Boris, puts him in the pillowcase with the toy. Knots it.Puts the bundle inside bin liner one, ties it. Leaves it in that room, effective asphyxiation as deprived of oxygen. can't do more than wriggle. ( path noted his paws were well trimmed ) A few barks and whimpers. IS can just leave the room.

I've tried to avoid describing this previously, because I know it's upsetting but I see there's been a few posts on the topic.

This then goes into the wheelbarrow or whatever he uses, drags duvet etc