GUILTY UK - Iuliana Tudos, 22, found dead in Finsbury Park, London, 24 Dec 2017

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What a tragedy to move to another country for work only to be murdered :frown: Horrific.
RIP Iuliana.
 
yurena said:
What a tragedy to move to another country for work only to be murdered :frown: Horrific.
RIP Iuliana.
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I know, awful wherever you are but, it should be a time of carefree fun for youngsters. And it makes things even worse for the families maybe not knowing the language, having to try and get to the other country, deal with a different court system etc. Has reminded me of that lovely Czech woman who died after the terrorist attack in London after falling into the Thames off the bridge. Horrific. And Lingling Zhang too. Good people taken away by evil losers.

Could be random attack but my mind always jumps to someone who saw her where she was working when the victim is a waitress or barmaid. They have to be sort of friendly but often men misinterpret this and then get angry. My niece had a stalker when she worked in a restaurant while she was at uni in Canterbury, and had to take him to court and believe me, she is a tough cookie but he just wouldn't leave her alone, so creepy. Luckily she is well away from him now as she moved back North after graduating.

Hopefully in this area they should have a fair bit of CCTV coverage, although the quality is often so poor. And a good chance of some DNA I would think. I hope I'm wrong but the reports are mentioning scattered pieces of clothing so it seems a probable sexually motivated attack? Poor little thing, and condolences to her family and friends.
 
It is very sad and very unusual for a young person to be murdered in this way in the UK. When I first moved to London a long time ago Finsbury Park had a very bad reputation and was considered too dangerous to walk through or near at night. I have no idea how it has changed since then but I would still not venture there in the hours of darkness. My view is this is likely to be a random attack - maybe starting out as a mugging where she resisted or she could have been mistaken for a prostitute and approached for sex. I think she will have been approached by a stranger and then been attacked. A terrible tragedy. Hopefully there will be some dna evidence but I very much doubt there will be any useful cctv in the area.
 
The police will be trying to trying to create a timeline of the evening when she was last seen. If I was making the journey from Camden to Upper Tollington Park I would take the bus along Camden Road and Seven Sisters Road. There wouldn't be any need for her to walk inside the park on her way home. There is the possibility she might have been given a lift in a car by someone she was acquainted was from the pub. The police have appealed for witnesses and sightings of her in the area on the evening of Christmas Eve will be crucial in piecing together her last known movements.
 
Distant Observer said:
...... If I was making the journey from Camden to Upper Tollington Park I would take the bus along, Camden Road and Seven Sisters Road. There wouldn't be any need for her to walk inside the park on her way home. .........
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You appear to know the area DistantObserver, is it local to you?

News reports say she was last seen at 8.00 pm Camden Road to get a bus home, then later plans for visiting friends to stay with them for Christmas. Would you know if this park area is close to her home in Upper Tollington ? TIA
 
Upper Tollington Park is a street on the edge of the park. However, as Distant Observer says, if she was returning from Camden Road by bus and wished to go straight home by the most direct route, she would have got off near Finsbury Park station and approached her home in Upper Tollington Park via Stroud Green Road. Walking through the park to get to her home would have been taking a much longer way round.

I note from the news reports that she was due that same evening to make her way to Enfield, to spend Christmas with friends. It seems possible to me that she made it home, via Stroud Green Road, picked up whatever she needed over Christmas (e.g. change of clothing, Christmas presents, etc.) and then made her way towards Green Lanes, where she could catch a bus towards Enfield.

Assuming she did make it home, it seems unlikely to me that she would have then walked through the park to get the bus towards Enfield, as it is not really a shortcut (see map link below). She might have done, of course, because maybe she liked walking through the park (but in the dark?). But more likely she would have skirted the park, by walking to the eastern end of Upper Tollington Park, then round the park, along Endymion Road, to the junction with Green Lanes. If that's what she did, it's possible someone accosted her along there and forced her into the park (e.g. at the point where the New River crosses Endymion Road, which is adjacent to the baseball field where her body was found).

All complete speculation of course, and I note that the police taped off other parts of the park yesterday, so perhaps they have good reason to believe she did go through there before being attacked.

NB: I live in the area and know it well.

See map: http://www.streetmap.co.uk/map.srf?...ark,+London,+N_4&searchp=ids.srf&mapp=map.srf
 
@ dubmill Thank you for such a wealth of information - and the map also helps clarify things.
Great first post by the way.
 
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MailOnline can reveal that specialist officers are forensically examining a tent and a purple suitcase found inside around 100 yards away with specialist divers searching the river next to it.


Locals have said that the area around the pavilion where Iuliana was found is popular with the homeless and a park warden has confirmed a man was sleeping rough there over Christmas.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...en-friend-murdered-barmaid.html#ixzz52es64VsW
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In that new Daily Mail article it says, 'It appears she was walking on a path crossing the park, which she regularly used as a shortcut to home.'

That is presented as fact, so I guess the police have talked to her friends, flatmate, etc. and learned that she did often take that route. There is a bus stop right outside the park gates on Seven Sisters Road, so I guess she would get off there and take the footpath north through the park. It's not exactly a shortcut as going by road seems roughly the same distance, but maybe she was just accustomed to going that way, which would be a pleasant walk in the summer, and saw no reason to use another route, even though it was dark.

From the way the article is written it seems to rule out the possibility I suggested earlier, i.e. that she made it home and then left for Enfield. Perhaps her flatmate was home at the time and has confirmed to police that she never arrived at the flat.


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shocking crime. I take that bus home to North London from Camden and know the scene and the transport well. I've never heard of this kind of thing happening in all my time of living, working and socialising in Camden.
 
dubmill said:
In that new Daily Mail article it says, 'It appears she was walking on a path crossing the park, which she regularly used as a shortcut to home.'

That is presented as fact, so I guess the police have talked to her friends, flatmate, etc. and learned that she did often take that route. There is a bus stop right outside the park gates on Seven Sisters Road, so I guess she would get off there and take the footpath north through the park. It's not exactly a shortcut as going by road seems roughly the same distance, but maybe she was just accustomed to going that way, which would be a pleasant walk in the summer, and saw no reason to use another route, even though it was dark.

From the way the article is written it seems to rule out the possibility I suggested earlier, i.e. that she made it home and then left for Enfield. Perhaps her flatmate was home at the time and has confirmed to police that she never arrived at the flat.


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I had also been leaning towards the idea that she may have made it home and then been heading towards Enfield. Clearly not the case.

All IMO
 
dubmill said:
Upper Tollington Park is a street on the edge of the park. However, as Distant Observer says, if she was returning from Camden Road by bus and wished to go straight home by the most direct route, she would have got off near Finsbury Park station and approached her home in Upper Tollington Park via Stroud Green Road. Walking through the park to get to her home would have been taking a much longer way round.
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The suggested fastest route from the World's End Pub to her home at 94 Upper Tollington Park (at the junction of Oakfield Road) using Citymapper app suggests taking the bus to stop Q and then walking through the park. She lives very near the park.

https://citymapper.com/trip/Tkjm4oo

https://snag.gy/JO5174.jpg

https://goo.gl/maps/CHi6H8dUbrx

Where exactly in the park is the clubhouse for the baseball team? Because that's where she was found, I think. London Mets baseball team is advising its members that "the clubhouse is currently off limits. It’s probably best to avoid the field in general until further notice."

http://www.londonmets.org/news_article/show/870567

As someone who does not live in the area, I would hate to walk through Finsbury Park after dark, although if it was the quickest route home, I would probably get used to doing it on a regular basis to the point that I would no longer be scared but just keep my wits about me. I do have a vague memory of walking this exact route once in the winter when it was getting dark, probably around 3-4pm, and keen to get out before daylight receded into darkness.

Tell me: is the park open after dark, or do they shut it at sunset? If it's open, then you might actually have a regular pattern of locals going through it to get to and from their homes. Along with familiarity, this might have created a false sense of security to Juliana. However if the park is locked after dark then one needs to think about how she was found there. Is it easy to get into?
 
Lit Up said:
The suggested fastest route from the World's End Pub to her home at 94 Upper Tollington Park (at the junction of Oakfield Road) using Citymapper app suggests taking the bus to stop Q and then walking through the park. She lives very near the park.

https://citymapper.com/trip/Tkjm4oo

https://snag.gy/JO5174.jpg

Where exactly in the park is the clubhouse for the baseball team? Because that's where she was found, I think. London Mets baseball team is advising its members that "the clubhouse is currently off limits. It’s probably best to avoid the field in general until further notice."

http://www.londonmets.org/news_article/show/870567

As someone who does not live in the area, I would hate to walk through Finsbury Park after dark, although if it was the quickest route home, I would probably get used to doing it on a regular basis to the point that I would no longer be scared but just keep my wits about me. I do have a vague memory of walking this exact route once in the winter when it was getting dark, probably around 3-4pm, and keen to get out before daylight receded into darkness.

Tell me: is the park open after dark, or do they shut it at sunset? If it's open, then you might actually have a regular pattern of locals going through it to get to and from their homes. Along with familiarity, this might have created a false sense of security to Juliana.
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Roughly where the yellow dot is, top right of the park.

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