Especially since they are aware that his phone was tracked to a certain address early that morning! They said they have "visited" that address, but that was it, no searches or formal interviews etc. Why have they never said what happened when they went to that address? How did they explain the fact that his phone was supposedly there? Did the police just assume the data was incorrect?? Or did they not speak to anyone when they went there? Maybe no one answered, but would they just leave and not follow up? Maybe there's been more reported on what happened at that address, but I haven't read anything about it other than that they visited. That makes no sense. They can't just leave it at that!A lot of clothing and personal items that haven't been found. If he'd entered the water as some suspect surely something would have washed up? It makes me more suspicious of foul play. Moo
Looking at that map and of his movements, he seems to have been on a circuitous route - lost? bit drink? both? Was he trying to find a taxi on street? Gone in wrong direction?
In my opinion judging by his long stride on that photo where he is crossing the road he seems out of it... Do we know whether it was just alcohol consumed at this party has anyone spoken up whether maybe some drugs were involved even cannabis can cause confusion and disorientation put that on top of alcohol in Bristol which is my local city and I still get lost ....it's a recipe for disaster... There are a lot of dodgy people out on the streets in Bristol too... You even get hassled by them in Daylight nevermind at night under bridges and what notAfter a full run-through of his route, found here video...I have changed my mind somewhat.
- I think the phone location signal has potential to mislead, because doesn't it rely on having battery? You'd be lucky to get charge after a full night out into the hours of 6am, even if you went out on full charge. I believe the phone probably run out of battery, especially as he was known to be using it as well. So would this stop the location? Also the Air-Tag would cut out if the phone ran out of battery because the bluetooth stops too. Whatssap messages are unopened too, again, could indicate Batt gone.
- From the full route re-run on Facebook - he is definitely lost and confused. The area he goes to by "integrated facilities Bristol Workplace" (here) is a dead end, on the banks of the River Avon and indeed he turns back. He's lost.
- He then goes under the bridge complex at Brunel Lock Development. I saw a post earlier saying he'd be unlucky to fall to foul play in this area, I have to respectfully disagree, and this is an area I would 100% avoid. Looks like he continued from this point, but I can't rule out foul play at some point.
- No wonder the route was hard to follow on maps, he changes direction many times. Going back on himself multiple times.
- Makes it across the Plimsoll Swingbridge (going North) and down the slip road and opens whatssap messages at 3:38 and 3:39am. He can see Granby Hill at this point, looking right. This view. That is Granby Hill, and I believe he has his sights set on that. Once again turns back on himself to go back up the bridge. Looks precarious here in traffic. And here was his last sighting ( here, going back up ).
So doing that run through, I am less sure about being in water now. Because I believe he tries to get over to the Granby Hill location, this explains going back up the bridge, because it looks a nightmare to get to from the above linked location. He must have made it because of the phone ping. And he's now not near to water. There's a lot of barriers everywhere too....he'd have to really climb over them to end up in Water (or thrown over I suppose).
There's just no more evidence he went back near water from Granby. Unless his phone went to Granby and he did not. But I do believe it was his aim to get there.
I don't think he would of managed walk all that way drunk, or off his head on something lmoIn my opinion judging by his long stride on that photo where he is crossing the road he seems out of it... Do we know whether it was just alcohol consumed at this party has anyone spoken up whether maybe some drugs were involved even cannabis can cause confusion and disorientation put that on top of alcohol in Bristol which is my local city and I still get lost ....it's a recipe for disaster... There are a lot of dodgy people out on the streets in Bristol too... You even get hassled by them in Daylight nevermind at night under bridges and what not
There is also spiking to consider too. JMOIn my opinion judging by his long stride on that photo where he is crossing the road he seems out of it... Do we know whether it was just alcohol consumed at this party has anyone spoken up whether maybe some drugs were involved even cannabis can cause confusion and disorientation put that on top of alcohol in Bristol which is my local city and I still get lost ....it's a recipe for disaster... There are a lot of dodgy people out on the streets in Bristol too... You even get hassled by them in Daylight nevermind at night under bridges and what not
Exactly and to be fair I in my younger days have been on some massive walks trying to find my way home off my head just drunk..There is also spiking to consider too. JMO
I don't think we know. We do need people from the party to give us more information, it's weirdly quiet from them.In my opinion judging by his long stride on that photo where he is crossing the road he seems out of it... Do we know whether it was just alcohol consumed at this party has anyone spoken up whether maybe some drugs were involved even cannabis can cause confusion and disorientation put that on top of alcohol in Bristol which is my local city and I still get lost ....it's a recipe for disaster... There are a lot of dodgy people out on the streets in Bristol too... You even get hassled by them in Daylight nevermind at night under bridges and what not
Ya I have kids your age I understand what it's like and some people can see spiking someone's drink as a joke until something like this occurs... Bristol has pretty big problem for Ketamine I believe ...which is a dissociative type of drug ....I'm not saying tht happened but there is a chance he. Could have been spiked or peer pressured into taking something... He may not have expected it to be so strong and that's why he fell over on the way out of the party... The girl rang him too was this prompted by his mother asking her too or just off her own back... If it was just her own idea to ring him was there a reason she was worried was he out of it...I don't think we know. We do need people from the party to give us more information, it's weirdly quiet from them.
I'm not too far removed from Jack's age and going to uni house parties etc - I'd be surprised if everyone was just doing booze. I'll never forget a story from a guy I knew at uni, who took some kind of 'something' and it made him think the house was on fire (it wasn't) and he ended up walking the outskirts of Brighton. All the way around the city, getting home finally at about 9am. Scary stuff. I'm not accusing Jack of that, but I'm saying you're right, people often do go on drunken adventures after a night out.
I personally think he knew where he wanted to go, and was just trying to get there. The road system around that part is a maze, and you can't just hope over the rails and cross the roads. It's why he's going back and forth multiple times, I think. I reckon he had a goal and was trying to get there. Before he came into danger.
Jack phoned the girl first. She didn't answer at the time but returned the call 10 mins later. Jack answered and said "hello" before the line was cut off.The girl rang him too was this prompted by his mother asking her too or just off her own back... If it was just her own idea to ring him was there a reason she was worried was he out of it...
Ya I have kids your age I understand what it's like and some people can see spiking someone's drink as a joke until something like this occurs... Bristol has pretty big problem for Ketamine I believe ...which is a dissociative type of drug ....I'm not saying tht happened but there is a chance he. Could have been spiked or peer pressured into taking something... He may not have expected it to be so strong and that's why he fell over on the way out of the party... The girl rang him too was this prompted by his mother asking her too or just off her own back... If it was just her own idea to ring him was there a reason she was worried was he out of it...
If substances were involved and he's walking along river banks he could have easily gone in.. your vision is blurry and you can't judge distance.,, on the other hand he could have suffered a bad enough head injury for memory loss and has no idea who he is....such people tend to draw attention to themselves and get found... Especially when it's been in the paper..
It's certainly a strange story personally I'd like to know more bout this party... Am sure there is a level of secrecy between the students and the police if drugs were involved but maybe if his mum went down there,.,,am sure she must have
Consider it, yes, but it should not be over-estimated as there are strong elements of urban legend and denial involved with the overwhelming majority of spiking claims in the UK.There is also spiking to consider too. JMO
Especially since they are aware that his phone was tracked to a certain address early that morning! They said they have "visited" that address, but that was it