GUILTY UK - Joanna Yeates, 25, Clifton, Bristol, 17 Dec 2010 #11

[otto]

Just one initial thought on the Crimewatch filming location. I'm not saying it isn't the exact same spot. It just very well might be. But on the other hand, I think it could possibly be the nearest best location.

Meaning for practical reasons really. You notice the Crimewatch snow scene has a nice tree lined backdrop. You can't see anything in the distance. I'm just wondering how many days, and how much money it would cost them to make a snow scene look realistic way into the quarry, and as far as the eye can see??

Perhaps if I were the film crew, I'd go for the easiest option and use a backdrop to save all that work and expense. It all depends on how crucial the Police thought the exact location was to the appeal. My thoughts are it's not very much looking at the shots above. That small snowy grass verge area when filmed, would give you absolutely no idea where it was situated on the lane. IMO that could have been filmed in any lane in the country and you wouldn't be any wiser. Until we have firm evidence of the exact spot, then I'm not going to take this for granted on the strength of this film shoot.

Just a thought to ponder

True, if the film crew had a say, they would choose the easiest location along a stretch of road to film a scene ... but ... this was not the film crew's call. This is a crime scene re-enactment and accuracy is crucial ... in my opinion. The re-enactment already presents the possibility that someone will see the woman from the re-enactment and remember seeing her three days after the murder ... perhaps thinking they saw Joanna three days after the 17th. I hope that police would be accurate with the scene of the crime in the re-enactment. The only other electrical post is between the quarry entrance and the intersection, and coincidentally that also is characterized by a grove of tall trees followed by smaller trees. What is different is the stone wall on the other side of the road. It's difficult to tell for sure, but based on signage and re-enactment photos, it is looking like Joanna was found just a little to the North of the quarry entrance.

 

[otto]

The following (announced a couple of weeks ago) comes close (although 25 Cromwell Street itself was demolished some years ago):

"TV is facing fresh controversy after it unveiled plans to make a new drama about notorious serial killers Fred and Rosemary West."

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1347995/ITVs-planned-Fred-Rose-West-drama-upsets-victims-families.html

That is one of the ugliest cases I've ever read.

 

[Phillb]

Yes, I know, but towards the end of this extended clip, after having placed the flowers, they go towards the actual spot, which is out of sight but definitely beyond the quarry entrance.



You may be right. But going by the film clips showing the police tape and movements beyond it, I am now convinced the spot was north of the quarry entrance.

But the family were stood on the opposite side of the road to the recreated scene, and they were looking at the verge in the other direction. So one can't be right if your going on where they walked to? You can clearly see that on the video.

I don't think the laying of flowers, or where they stood in silence later is like a treasure hunt, X marks the exact spot. It really is just to pay there last respects yes? It has to be a practical thing while Police were doing their forensics too. Nothing is hard fact enough to count on it for certain IMO.

We have two memorial stones in Leeds for gunned down Policemen, neither of them are in the exact spot. People would trip over then in the middle of the pavement. Practicalities sometimes take precedence over accuracy in situations like this.

 

[otto]

Yes, I know, but towards the end of this extended clip, after having placed the flowers, they go towards the actual spot, which is out of sight but definitely beyond the quarry entrance. Plus early on (about 45 secs in) there is a shot of a place marked by a single bunch of flowers.

http://www.itnsource.com/shotlist//ITN/2010/12/27/R27121002/?s=Greg+Reardon



You may be right. But going by the film clips showing the police tape and movements beyond it, I am now convinced the spot was north of the quarry entrance.

Google earth shows the "Give Way" sign across from the quarry entrance as saying "125 yds". The sign in the re-enactment says "Give Way 300 yds". That's 200 yards up the road, and we've seen a refernce to 200 yards up the road in news articles ... I wondered how anyone could estimate 200 yards, but now we know there were signs. The 300 yds sign is not yet visible on google earth, but that is where the fake snow was put; just North of the quarry road along Longwood Lane.

 

[enzeder]

Yes, I know, but towards the end of this extended clip, after having placed the flowers, they go towards the actual spot, which is out of sight but definitely beyond the quarry entrance. Plus early on (about 45 secs in) there is a shot of a place marked by a single bunch of flowers.

http://www.itnsource.com/shotlist//ITN/2010/12/27/R27121002/?s=Greg+Reardon



You may be right. But going by the film clips showing the police tape and movements beyond it, I am now convinced the spot was north of the quarry entrance.

Yes, they walked up to the "exact spot" after laying the flowers.

Tuesday, December 28, 2010

Yesterday David, 63, and Theresa, 58, arrived at the scene at around 2.30pm and walked arm-in-arm along the lane while flanked by three police officers.

After laying flowers they had an emotional hug with Greg, 27, Miss Yeates brother Chris and his girlfriend.

They then walked a further 200 yards up the lane to the exact spot where she was found, which is sealed off for forensic examinations.

The group walked back down the hill 10 minutes later, with Mrs Yeates clasping a tissue to her face as the tears spilled down her cheeks.

http://www.thisissomerset.co.uk/new...l-goodbye/article-3043420-detail/article.html

 

[Phillb]

Google earth shows the "Give Way" sign across from the quarry entrance as saying "125 yds". The sign in the re-enactment says "Give Way 300 yds". That's 200 yards up the road, and we've seen a refernce to 200 yards up the road in news articles ... I wondered how anyone could estimate 200 yards, but now we know there were signs. The 300 yds sign is not yet visible on google earth, but that is where the fake snow was put; just North of the quarry road along Longwood Lane.

I wouldn't take the 200 yard 'reference' to be Gods gospel spot on. It is only an estimate isn't it? Journalists don't normally carry 100 ft long steel measuring tapes. Hacks aren't noted for absolute accuracy at the best of times

True, if the film crew had a say, they would choose the easiest location along a stretch of road to film a scene ... but ... this was not the film crew's call. This is a crime scene re-enactment and accuracy is crucial ... in my opinion.

You can see by the very small snow recreated area you wouldn't have a clue where that was on the lane. How can you get your bearings with a few trees in shot? Actual location accuracy can't be shown here, you wouldn't be able to see up, or down the lane on film. Just trees in front, that could be anywhere.

 

[Phillb]

Yes, they walked up to the "exact spot" after laying the flowers.

Who said this? Where did the quote come from?
The Police or Dog walkers?

 

[veggiefan]

I repeat - in my opinion as a LGV driver myself, at the height of the cab the drivers entered & departed the quarry as part of natural observation of the surrounding i am surprised a body so close to the roadside had not been spotted with just a couple of inches of snow in say 7 days ?? Not unless of course they drive around with their eyes shut that is.

But it has never been established that the quarry was open in the week leading up to Christmas Day. According to the owners, operations have been scaled back in recent years and there have already been public consultations about landscaping the site once extraction finally ends.

In addition, I believe it supplies stone and aggregate, and I doubt that many building firms would order bulk delivery of such materials immediately before the long Christmas holiday, especially given the weather.

So it could simply be that there were no lorry drivers to notice anything unusual on the five days in question.

 

[Cherwell]

But the family were stood on the opposite side of the road to the recreated scene, and they were looking at the verge in the other direction. So one can't be right if your going on where they walked to? You can clearly see that on the video.

They stand on the opposite site of the road, yes, but there was still police activity there so they were probably not able to go closer. I do think they are looking across the road. What is beyond doubt is that they have gone well beyond the quarry entrance.

 

[enzeder]

I've been going through many of the early pic's that I've saved and imo the body was found somewhere in the vicinity of where the CSI people are in the below photo.

 

[Cherwell]

Yes, they walked up to the "exact spot" after laying the flowers.

Who said this? Where did the quote come from?
The Police or Dog walkers?

I think we can accept that they did go to the exact spot. They had already placed flowers at a 'symbolic' spot - why would they then go to a second spot unless it was the actual place?

 

[Phillb]

I think we can accept that they did go to the exact spot. They had already placed flowers at a 'symbolic' spot - why would they then go to a second spot unless it was the actual place?

I never accept things for granted on assumptions. Police can't work on what they 'think' it has to be fact.

I remember a guy setting up a market stall in Leeds, great salesman he was, very convincing and honest looking. He had the crowds flocking round selling D.B radios for £20. They went like hotcakes. The people rushed home with their new boxes they believed to be a great bargain radio. Mighty peeved they were when they opened the box and found their very expensive new brick inside.

They'd have been far better checking inside their box for fact first IMO

 

[Cherwell]

I never accept things for granted on assumptions. Police can't work on what they 'think' it has to be fact.

Not for the first time, we are speculating about facts the police have known from the start. We have no choice but to take the Sherlock Holmes approach and use deduction.

 

[veggiefan]

But VT has been charged with the murder of JY by the police, which I'm sure is much more than just speculation.

I agree, but the evidence hasn't been disclosed or tested. Somebody else in the thread mentioned that the only person to say anything bad about VT was probably the "sobbing girl". But David Carrington-Jones was wrongly convicted of rape after accusations by his step-daughter, who later admitted that she made up the story because she didn't like him (and the jury were never told of her history of accusing many others she didn't like of rape). She merely received a caution for wasting police time, he served more than 6 years in jail for a crime he didn't commit (and parole was refused because he wouldn't admit his guilt).

I'm not saying that's the case here, but we really mustn't assume that being charged means that VT must have something to hide. He could have been set up, and the police do make mistakes, as do the courts: Barry George, Colin Stagg, Winston Sillcott, the Cardiff Three, and many others.

 

[Phillb]

Not for the first time, we are speculating about facts the police have known from the start. We have no choice but to take the Sherlock Holmes approach and use deduction.

Exactly. Well said.
Some we'll get, and others we won't :websleuther:

 

[bees]

I've been going through many of the early pic's that I've saved and imo the body was found somewhere in the vicinity of where the CSI people are in the below photo.

In the photo you can see the police tape on both sides of the area that's under forensic investigation. That area is the quarry entrance to the left I'm sure (I'll check with some other pics).

I agree with Phill that the amount of fake snow used in the reconstruction means that the actual filmed spot could be anywhere. I expect they filmed it further up so that the quarry could still operate.

 

[otto]

... a possibility ... 200 yds N of the Quarry Entrance.

 

[enzeder]

In the photo you can see the police tape on both sides of the area that's under forensic investigation. That area is the quarry entrance to the left I'm sure (I'll check with some other pics).

I agree with Phill that the amount of fake snow used in the reconstruction means that the actual filmed spot could be anywhere. I expect they filmed it further up so that the quarry could still operate.

Yes, you can see that particular police vehicle (showing in the above pic) at the quarry entrance in this photo.

 

[enzeder]

... a possibility ... 200 yds N of the Quarry Entrance.

Nice work otto.

I noticed that you had written 300 yards (Give Way sign) on one of your earlier pic's. It actually says 200 yards.

Key Scenes From Jo Yeates Murder Case - (January 2, 2011 - Photo by Matt Cardy/Getty Images Europe)
http://www.zimbio.com/pictures/EqOFurheX4w/Key+Scenes+Jo+Yeates+Murder+Case/xE7IfEso5AR

Lightened by me

 

[Phillb]

... a possibility ... 200 yds N of the Quarry Entrance.

Why the magical 200 yds Otto?
Who measured this, and from exactly what point? Isn't it just a journalist guessing to write his story?
Afterall, if he never saw where the body was in the first place, then he would have no idea himself.

This channel 4 story says she was found on a Golf course.
But I'm not believing that for fact, because it isn't true? Just because the press, or news say something.
It doesn't always have to be true.

Channel 4 News
Joanna Yeates' body was found on a golf course in Bristol on Christmas Day. The 25-year-old had been strangled to death.

http://www.channel4.com/news/joanna-yeates-parents-plea-to-end-torment