GUILTY UK - Joanna Yeates, 25, Clifton, Bristol, 17 Dec 2010 #14

[bees]

I took it to mean he logged in to TM's details to disguise it was him. Maybe I took it wrong and he was indeed acting controlling with TM.

Well he logged in under her profile to acces Dyson's webmail but he'd only be able to see what she'd sent & received so that seems "stalkerish" to me. I'd be incensed if anyone logged into my work email as me and read my correspondence with colleagues.

 

[Robin Hood]

Well he logged in under her profile to acces Dyson's webmail but he'd only be able to see what she'd sent & received so that seems "stalkerish" to me. I'd be incensed if anyone logged into my work email as me and read my correspondence with colleagues.

Maybe he was looking to see if anybody at TM's work had emailed her and brought his name into it. Or he could have been looking if she had emailed anybody that she had started to suspect him.

 

[bees]

Maybe he was looking to see if anybody at TM's work had emailed her and brought his name into it. Or he could have been looking if she had emailed anybody that she had started to suspect him.

Perhaps but I got the impression from @skynewsgatherer that he did it after he got home but before he killed JY. Here are the 3 tweets from court as they were posted:

• On the night of Joanna's death Vincent Tabak arrived home at 7.13pm and texted his girlfriend to say he was missing her.
by skynewsgatherer via twitter 12:29 PM

• Tabak logged in to the laptop he shared with his girlfriend Tanja and accessed the webmail address at Dyson - where she worked.
by skynewsgatherer via twitter 12:31 PM

• At 9.25pm - after Joanna was killed - Tabak texted Tanja: " Missing you loads. It's boring here without you"
by skynewsgatherer via twitter 12:34 PM

@rupertevelyn tweeted from court at the same time:
When Tabak got home he used his girlfriend's profile on their computer. Accessed the dyson.com webmail. Tanja worked at Dyson

Looks to me like he was reading TM's work emails while she was out but before he killed JY. He may well have continued reading them afterwards too - probably did it regularly if he had her password.

 

[aneurin]

rupertevelyn Rupert Evelyn
Jo yeates' killer Vincent Tabak looked on the web for info on "maximum sentence for manslaughter"

he must have liked what he saw :sick:

The maximum sentence for manslaughter is life imprisonment.

 

[Robin Hood]

Perhaps but I got the impression from @skynewsgatherer that he did it after he got home but before he killed JY. Here are the 3 tweets from court as they were posted:

• On the night of Joanna's death Vincent Tabak arrived home at 7.13pm and texted his girlfriend to say he was missing her.
by skynewsgatherer via twitter 12:29 PM

• Tabak logged in to the laptop he shared with his girlfriend Tanja and accessed the webmail address at Dyson - where she worked.
by skynewsgatherer via twitter 12:31 PM

• At 9.25pm - after Joanna was killed - Tabak texted Tanja: " Missing you loads. It's boring here without you"
by skynewsgatherer via twitter 12:34 PM

@rupertevelyn tweeted from court at the same time:
When Tabak got home he used his girlfriend's profile on their computer. Accessed the dyson.com webmail. Tanja worked at Dyson

Looks to me like he was reading TM's work emails while she was out but before he killed JY. He may well have continued reading them afterwards too - probably did it regularly if he had her password.

Thanks Bees, I see where you're coming from, not a good sign.

 

[bijoux]

Harriet Tolputt tweeted: "Vincent Tabak also looked up details on sexual assault on the Internet."

Will this help the prosecution's case or the defense's?

So much information to absorb this afternoon; however the defense may be able to refute some of it.

 

[veggiefan]

Interesting that he was spotted on CCTV in Asda at Bedminster shortly after killing JY - when there are other supermarkets closer to Clifton but he'd be able to get out to the quarry easily from Bedminster without having to go over any bridges, which it seems he did as he apparently disappeared for about 45 mins before arriving back in range of Bristol CCTV cams.

I don't think he had any idea what to do with the body - he even had to Google maps of the area to see where he's dumped the body after the event.

He made two visits to Asda, and I think the second may have been because he realised that a receipt for shopping might help explain why he was driving around the area late at night, should he be caught on CCTV - but, as you say, that route may have minimised his exposure to cameras.

 

[veggiefan]

Anyone else find it "stalkerish" that he logged into TM's work email?

No. Assuming that he and TM were an "item" at the time, and that there were no legal restrictions to reading each other's emails, I wouldn't find that any more unusual than Mrs VF opening my post and shouting up the stairs that I'm about to be overdrawn.

 

[Neurotripsy]

skynewsgatherer Harriet Tolputt
Tabak was asked by a friend what the killer must be like. Tabak replied that the killer must be a "detached crazy person".

Interesting choice of words, IMO... "Detached" isn't a word that would come to the forefront of my mind, had I answered that question.

 

[whiterum]

Well it's been very informative today and it looks very much like VT would have let CJ take the blame all the way

Remember GM's tweet.

I am 100% certain that Chris Jefferies, under suspicion for the murder of Jo Yeates, will be charged with murder within the next 12 hours.
10:09 AM Dec 31st, 2010

My source is an idiot and wrong!!!
3:04 PM Jan 1st

Looks like someone close to home, was pointing the finger in the wrong direction :innocent:

 

[kINGFISHER]

You where right whiterum according to local news she was killed in her flat. The sock is a mystery as the defence said only he knows why he took it. Always said his website picture had a touch of the macabre about it.

 

[badhorsie]

skynewsgatherer Harriet Tolputt
Tabak was asked by a friend what the killer must be like. Tabak replied that the killer must be a "detached crazy person".

Interesting choice of words, IMO... "Detached" isn't a word that would come to the forefront of my mind, had I answered that quest

Tabak is not lying, he is describing himself

 

[kINGFISHER]

Miss Morson contacted police to provide information about their landlord Christopher Jefferies - who was arrested and cleared - while she spent New Year with Tabak in Holland, the court heard.

But when detectives flew out to the Netherlands to take a statement from the couple, Tabak appeared to offer an inconsistent version of events, the court heard.

SO WHO WAS POINTING THE FINGER WAS HE TELLING HER HIS VERSION THEN SHE CONTACTED THE POLICE, OR DID SHE HAVE HER OWN VERSION.

 

[badhorsie]

Mods pretty please, this needs to be in trials

 

[2goldfish]

A&S police put up the CCTV footage of VT that was shown in court today.

interesting he keeps wiping his mouth in the videos. I wonder why.

 

[badhorsie]

I noticed that as well 2goldfish

 

[masekwm]

The thing that stands out today

1. Signs of struggle in hall way
2. Thud after the scream, Jo hitting the door
3. Killed shortly after arriving home, just after he checked his girlfriends emails.
4. Then the mention that someone drank the cider

Did he kill her as soon as she arrived home? Why?

 

[Robin Hood]

The thing that stands out today

1. Signs of struggle in hall way
2. Thud after the scream, Jo hitting the door
3. Killed shortly after arriving home, just after he checked his girlfriends emails.
4. Then the mention that someone drank the cider

Did he kill her as soon as she arrived home? Why?

Thousand dollar question...why ?

 

[Neurotripsy]

interesting he keeps wiping his mouth in the videos. I wonder why.

Nervous tic?

 

[notsure]

When we adjourned last January to await October and the trial, I was basically comfortable with the idea that some colossal accident had occurred, something that VT hadn't meant to happen at all. But as the months rolled by, I began to see him, more and more, as maybe a classic sociopath, someone who had successfully dwelt in that state for many years - but let free the demons with Jo. I'm not quite to the "Tyburn Hill with this one! bring back the rope!" stage, but, barring a great, picture-changing defense being presented, I hope he's put away for a long, long time.

My thoughts were basically the reverse of yours: starting off thinking he was a cold monster, then gradually starting to wonder if he was a basically decent guy who in a moment of insanity had wrecked his own and many others' lives. Reading today's news, however, I'm right back to my original thoughts. We have yet to hear the defence, though, which could still conceivably change our views yet again.