GUILTY UK - Joanna Yeates, 25, Clifton, Bristol, 17 Dec 2010 #17

[aneurin]

According to the recent interview with CJ in the Financial Times, action against A&S for counts of false imprisonment, breach of human rights and trespass has already begun.

What it said in the FT was that he was "currently suing Avon and Somerset police" a rather imprecise phrase that probably means nothing more than that CJ's lawyers have written a letter.

Given the success of CJ's legal team in the High Court in July, and the fact that the country's Attorney General went so far as to publically declare CJ "entirely innocent", I have no doubt whatsoever that A&S police will be delving deep into the public purse to ensure that the reasons for their arrest and detention of CJ are not made public - if, indeed they have any at all other than the criticisms at the time that they were making poor progress in the case.

It's important not to confuse the behaviour of the media with that of the A&SC. The latter has no responsibility for the actions of the former.

I'm simply stating my opinion that I believe that you are wrong, and that A&SC had 'reasonable grounds' to arrest CJ, and as I've said here before, it's not all that difficult to guess what they might be.

I think it is entirely wrong to suggest that CJ wants to avoid "answering inconvenient questions". Do you have any grounds for making that suggestion?

Since he is currently suing Avon and Somerset police for false imprisonment, breach of his human rights and trespass, the grounds for his arrest can’t be discussed here.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/22eac290-eee2-11e0-959a-00144feab49a.html

CJ knows why he was arrested, he'd have been told at the time. If all he wanted to do was to 'clear his name' he could now tell the public what they were without any fear of prejudicing any criminal proceedings.

 

[kINGFISHER]

We have no idea why CJ was being considered a suspect and possibly the month is how long it took for LE to clear him. No mystery really

I wouldn't be that happy if they took that long especially if I had been on bail that long. Perhaps it does take that time ,anyone know.

 

[aneurin]

Other charges do you mean ,if not why take all that time to release him they had proof of his inocence on the 8th of Feb.

Well yes, obviously other potential charges that related to the reasons why they had arrested him in the first place.

 

[veggiefan]

What it said in the FT was that he was "currently suing Avon and Somerset police" a rather imprecise phrase that probably means nothing more than that CJ's lawyers have written a letter.

We have no idea what stage the case has now reached, but his soliciters issued a statement that "Mr Jefferies has given notice of a claim to the Chief Constable of Avon and Somerset Constabulary in relation to his arrest on 30th December 2010 and his subsequent detention in police custody."

As reported by the BBC on 12 May (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-13371918)

I'm simply stating my opinion that I believe that you are wrong, and that A&SC had 'reasonable grounds' to arrest CJ

If you are right, CJ's case against the chief constable is likely to fail. We will no doubt find out in due course, unless the A&S lawyers insist on a gagging clause when they pay out.

and as I've said here before, it's not all that difficult to guess what they might be.

In view of the pending case, I think it is unwise of you to suggest that CJ has something to hide, especially as it is obvious that you have no proof whatsoever of such innuendo. You even suggest that the CPS has decided "not to bring charges" against CJ without any evidence whatsoever that they have ever even considered doing so. You seem little better than the tabloid press with all its "suggestions" and innuendo about CJ, back in January. I really don't know why you have such a perversely biased view of the man.

That's my view.

 

[FiestyFairy]

Here is the EU document explaining the Repatriation of convicts

http://www.conventions.coe.int/Treaty/en/Treaties/Html/112.htm

 

[FiestyFairy]

I think it's inappropriate to have this thread with a tag about the Masons. Does anyone know how to remove the tag?

 

[bees]

This gets even worse!

Child *advertiser censored* found on Vincent Tabak's laptop

http://www.thisisbristol.co.uk/CHIL...tml?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

Another devastating revelation for his family, particularly those who have children he's had contact with.

 

[kINGFISHER]

I think it's inappropriate to have this thread with a tag about the Masons. Does anyone know how to remove the tag?

There are other sites out there referring to them , so I don't think it's a problem , as we have been told not to mention them in further threads and are now abiding by those of rules.

 

[aneurin]

We have no idea what stage the case has now reached, but his soliciters issued a statement that "Mr Jefferies has given notice of a claim to the Chief Constable of Avon and Somerset Constabulary in relation to his arrest on 30th December 2010 and his subsequent detention in police custody."

As reported by the BBC on 12 May (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-13371918)

Giving 'notice of a claim' means that CJ's lawyers have written a letter. If every notice of claim issued resulted in an actual court case the system would collapse under the workload.

If you are right, CJ's case against the chief constable is likely to fail. We will no doubt find out in due course, unless the A&S lawyers insist on a gagging clause when they pay out.

Time will tell eventually.

In view of the pending case, I think it is unwise of you to suggest that CJ has something to hide, especially as it is obvious that you have no proof whatsoever of such innuendo. You even suggest that the CPS has decided "not to bring charges" against CJ without any evidence whatsoever that they have ever even considered doing so. You seem little better than the tabloid press with all its "suggestions" and innuendo about CJ, back in January. I really don't know why you have such a perversely biased view of the man.

That's my view.

At the moment there is no 'pending case', and there won't be until arrangements are made for the hearing, if ever.

I am simply making deductions from the available evidence. As I've said, it's not that difficult to work out why perhaps A&SC might have been in possession of reasonable grounds to arrest CJ, and why possibly CJ does not wish to discuss this in public. Neither is it that difficult to work out why the A&SC might then have decided to refer the matter to the CPS, just in case they felt it was in the public interest to take things further. I can't quite make out why reaching these tentative conclusions reveal "a perversely biased view of the man". I'd have thought that concluding that A&SC were guilty of false arrest etc on the quite mistaken grounds that the police had only arrested CJ because "the actual murderer rang them up" was itself indicative of a perversely biased view of A&SC.

But I shall leave it at that. I don't want to be accused of bickering after all.

 

[aneurin]

Here is the EU document explaining the Repatriation of convicts

http://www.conventions.coe.int/Treaty/en/Treaties/Html/112.htm

It's a Council of Europe document not an European Union document. They are two quite different organisations.

 

[kINGFISHER]

So if there were to be a gagging order and at some later stage information was leaked about why he was arrested wouldn't there be an outcry that he should not have sued the police, because they had certain evidence and were only doing their job , So in that case how can he sue , I can see this might not happen.

 

[weeeva]

This was exactly my point avfew days ago. How exactly did he do this without leaving trace evidence?

If Jo was attacked outside, before she entered her flat. maybe that is why the witnesses heard the screams so clearly, and noticed that the security light was on.
Then again that would mean he had to take Jo into her flat and remove her jacket and boots which would leave traces of him.
He would also have to touch her bag, the cider bottles and shopping bag. It's a riddle inside a conundrum to me.
I think he could have met Jo when he was out doing whatever he was doing. He approached her, they chatted, and this is when Jo innocently mentioned that Greg was away.
After a short time he went to the flat and rang the bell. Jo looked through the spy hole and opened the door. She had just spoken to him and he seemed just like a friendly neighbour. He attacked her instantly and this is when the witnesses heard Jo's screams, because the door was opened.
It does not account for lack of forensics inside the flat. I just cannot think of any other scenario, none of it makes sense.

 

[kINGFISHER]

Ann Reddrop, head of the CPS South West Complex Casework Unit, confirmed: 'The CPS has been asked for initial guidance about other material.'
A number of criteria are considered by the CPS when it decides whether to charge someone with an offence, including whether it is in the public interest.
Towards the end of Tabak's trial, prosecutor Nigel Lickley QC failed in an application to the judge to ban any reporting of the pornographic material found on Tabak's laptop, for fear it could hinder possible separate proceedings against him.It appears Mr Lickley was referring to the child *advertiser censored* revealed today, which was not divulged in court at the time.

What can they do with this, his sentence won't alter much if he is just viewing, just go on his record presumably.

 

[Sammyme]

Article by Stephen Glover in The Daily Mail:

Internet *advertiser censored* is a poison seeping through society. We can - and must - stop its spread

Vincent Tabak, who was sentenced  last Friday to at least 20 years in prison for the murder of Joanna Yeates, was obsessed with violent *advertiser censored* on the internet. Rightly or wrongly, the trial judge had ruled that the jury should not be told about his extreme predilections.

But there can be little doubt that the images which Tabak found online literally corrupted his imagination, and influenced his behaviour. In the words of the prosecution, he ‘moved from observer to participator’ as a result of his relentless trawling of hard-core sites.
...
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/a...ed*-poison-seeping-society.html#ixzz1cSiGNbLc

 

[Sammyme]

Small item on the BBC's Inside Out West Programme last night available here

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00807r6

Actually quite an interesting report, having just watched it - see from 1min 30secs to 9 mins 50secs.

It has a short interview with VT's solicitor about the inadmissible evidence, an ex-neighbour of VT's talking about his past home life and the views of Joanna's father and brother about the inadmissible evidence.

I hadn't quite appreciated VT's family circumstances until after the trial when it came out that he had been a late child and that he had lived in a flat away from home while at university. I had thought that he'd grown up in the heart of a large family with three sisters and a brother and had lived there even while studying. The ex-neighbour describes a solitary boy who seemed sometimes not to notice people and says that his sisters and brother had left home when he was growing up. So this is a very different picture. It is of a loner, really. Not one who grew up in the warmth and rough and tumble of a crowd of siblings. I couldn't understand how someone who had grown up with three sisters would have any difficulty in making friendships and relationships with women.

 

[FiestyFairy]

What can they do with this, his sentence won't alter much if he is just viewing, just go on his record presumably.

Child *advertiser censored* is a vastly different issue. I imagine the first question to be asked is where did he get the images? How do we know he didn't take the photographs?

 

[FiestyFairy]

Actually quite an interesting report, having just watched it - see from 1min 30secs to 9 mins 50secs.
Snip

I hadn't quite appreciated VT's family circumstances until after the trial when it came out that he had been a late child and that he had lived in a flat away from home while at university. I had thought that he'd grown up in the heart of a large family with three sisters and a brother and had lived there even while studying. The ex-neighbour describes a solitary boy who seemed sometimes not to notice people and says that his sisters and brother had left home when he was growing up. So this is a very different picture. It is of a loner, really. Not one who grew up in the warmth and rough and tumble of a crowd of siblings. I couldn't understand how someone who had grown up with three sisters would have any difficulty in making friendships and relationships with women.

I don't see the relevane here. I was a late child with my siblings having left home before I was old enough to know any different. I also left home to go to university and then emigrated 12,000 miles with no family or friends. I am nothing like VT although I am self reliant

 

[Sammyme]

I don't see the relevane here. I was a late child with my siblings having left home before I was old enough to know any different. I also left home to go to university and then emigrated 12,000 miles with no family or friends. I am nothing like VT although I am self reliant

So did I - well not 12 000 miles - though I was never alone while at university or anywhere I lived. Always lived with and surrounded by friends.
It seems VT spent a long time at university and lived in a flat. I don't know whether that was alone too but there do appear to be indications of his having been a loner in terms of making friends and relationships with women until he met Tanja.

I have always thought you are nothing like VT.

 

[kINGFISHER]

Child *advertiser censored* is a vastly different issue. I imagine the first question to be asked is where did he get the images? How do we know he didn't take the photographs?

The imagination could run riot there and with his love of photography. So agree there could be some real issues, if they are allowed to come out.

 

[weeeva]

This gets even worse!

Child *advertiser censored* found on Vincent Tabak's laptop

http://www.thisisbristol.co.uk/CHIL...tml?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

Jeezzzz. What is it about sex, that drives some people to do these things, to have these urges?
There must be some sort of explanation. We never seem to hear about any research in this field.
It's all very well calling these folk scum, perverts, evil etc. but that won't help the next child who is abused.
What causes it to happen????????????????