The more I hear of images the more I'm thinking the camera he had/was using to take snow pics is involved. A memory card is easy to hide, I think it's there somewhere, hidden away. Maybe that's what he was doing with the missing time, taking pics.
Back to VT - Holland is renowned for its *advertiser censored* so I'm guessing his taste for it started way back.
I guess my point is, it's not that easy to pick up unless you come into direct contact with someone's bodily fluid ie. blood, semen, saliva, or a hair or bit of skin.
Tests showed that both Miss Yeates's and Tabak's DNA were recovered from her body and that it was statistically one million times more likely it was their DNA than others.
Tabak's and another unidentified person's DNA was also found on Miss Yeates's jeans - behind her knees - which would have been consistent with Tabak carrying her body, the court was told.
Ms Lennen said the statistical interpretation of the results from Miss Yeates's jeans showed that it was 1,100 times more likely that the DNA was from Vincent Tabak and another person, rather than two unknown people unrelated to the defendant.
BBC Radio 4 interview with CJ from earlier today
Mr Jefferies received damages payments from eight newspapers who brandished him a "freak" and "a peeping tom" and raised concerns that changes in the rules governing "no-win, no-fee" cases could have prevented him from pursuing the cases.
"There is absolutely no question that I wouldn't have been able to take the action I did," without no-win, no-fee rules, he said
http://news.bbc.co.uk/today/hi/today/newsid_9629000/9629799.stm
Written article covering mosstly the same thing
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-15551619
He has been sentenced to 20 years before any possibility of parole. That's a long time.
Ironically the sock was not Jos. It *belonged to boyfriend Greg Reardon, 28, who was away visiting relatives when she was attacked.
She had borrowed a pair of Gregs thick socks to keep out the cold.
And a senior police scenes-of-crimes *officer said: The removal of a trophy from a victim is often the hallmark of a serial offender.
The item usually has no obvious *value except to the individual in his *fantasy world.
The discovery that the trophy didnt *belong to the victim but to her boyfriend would be devastating to the offender.
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/posts/view/218521/Tabak-kept-Jo-s-sock-as-sick-trophy/
Maybe this is old news but I didn't know the socks were GR's. Not much of a trophy then for the murdering pervert!
Holland reknowned for *advertiser censored*? That's news to me. Prostitution is not against the law, but I think that's quite different from reknowned for *advertiser censored*. I would have considered a place like Bangkok or even the US to be more "reknowned for *advertiser censored*".
I think that's a bit unfair on the Dutch. According to http://internet-filter-review.toptenreviews.com/internet-*advertiser censored*-statistics.html the expenditure per capita on *advertiser censored* is far less in the Netherlands than in countries such as Italy, the UK, Canada and the USA. The really big users appear to be Finland, Australia, Japan and (above all) South Korea.
The Dutch are known to produce "good" hardcore p orn. Maybe in more recent years its faded out of favour compared to other countries, I don't know, but I do know it was highly sought after.
I think there's been a fair bit of research, but the results are often contradictory and inconclusive.
From the little I've read, I think there is some evidence that sex offenders often display a type of behaviour that could be classed within the autism spectrum - a lack of empathy with their victims, and a tendency to "excuse" their own behaviour with claims that their victim didn't mind or encouraged them (remember "she invited me in"?).
I'm quite persuaded by this argument, as it fits with the "loner" image of the sex offender that we often read about, and also goes some way to explaining why sex offenders are mainly men (autism is much more prevalent in males than females). However, I think it's best to avoid simplistic arguments in these matters - apart from anything else, everyone differs.
Lol! Sorry.
I think he was probably twisted before he got himself on the internet (or met TM) - the birth of the internet has just made this stuff more accessable hasn't it. Why or how someone realises they have a certain kink though is anyone's guess.
I recall an accountant who used to frequent a forum years ago. He was in to feet- to be more specific he was in to smelly feet. He used to ask people to post him their well worn slippers and other footwear so he could sniff (and got knows what else) them. If he was still around I'd ask him how he got in to that. Another one - he liked dressing up as a maid. He used to ask for tips on how to be the perfect "lady's maid". He wanted to pop round to clean people's houses dressed like that too.
Back to VT - Holland is renowned for its *advertiser censored* so I'm guessing his taste for it started way back. Obviously "normal" *advertiser censored* didn't do it for him hence he's probably gone looking (and obviously found) the more extreme stuff and developed a taste for it. And we know what that escalated to.
Some probably have a reason in their background as to why they go a certain way sexually. And some people probably don't - they're just wired to be perverse...same as I believe some people are just wired to be bad and/or evil.
The thing is, Tabak seems to have been showing symptoms of being "different" as a child, if his neighbours are to be believed.
Robert Black has recently been convicted of his 4Th murder of a little girl, going back 30 odd years. He has always denied everything.
His warped interest in sex started when he was still a child himself. He actually experimented on himself, before moving on to other children.
The things he did to himself are far too explicit to repeat on here.
Black had a very difficult childhood, which I imagine would contribute to how he turned out to be.
It is worrying to know that this type of behaviour can manifest itself at a very young age, when a child should be too young to know about such things.
Some may hate the adult but how can we hate the child?
You are right there will be no simplistic answer to such questions.
The point that I have had the most difficulty with processing is the fact that VT went to Joanna's flat that night having made the decisions to murder her. We know this to be true. He went there to attack his neighbour and it appears to me that he knew she was alone. He had to have known that if he left her alive, he would immediately be arrested, so before he went there he knew perfectly well that he was going to commit murder. That means that everything he did leading up to the murder would have been cold and calculating - all 43 injuries that occurred in a period of about 30 minutes. He also appears to have made a calculated decision that he could get away with it. No one in his right mind would spend 11 years completing three university degrees only to then make a decision which he thought could land him in jail for the remainder of his life. He fully expected that he could commit murder and get away with it. It just blows my mind ... the arrogance and calculating coldness.
I get the impression that VT was a bit of a loner (per the neighbour) as a child. We know that he is very bright. We have also heard (not sure if this is true) that his mother was an agoraphobic. His next older sibling is 10 years older and the four older children are grouped together in age. I don't consider it all that unusual for an exceptionally bright child to be more introverted or to spend time doing activities at home rather than playing with other children. The parents are responsible for arranging social activities and ensuring normal socialization at an early age. It's possible that with the four older siblings VT fell between the cracks, or that he was spoiled, indulged and babied for too long.
I see parallels with the Scott Peterson case. We had the same situation where Scott was a bit of a loner and didn't socialize with other children. His mother took him to work with her and I got the impression that he was kind of ignored, but managed, as a child; that he was babied, indulged. We heard that he didn't need to learn how to walk because his siblings carried him everywhere.
There's a connection that I'm seeing between parents that, for whatever reason, don't engage with a child in the very early stages of development. We saw it in video footage of Casey Anthony with her daughter. Cayley was trying to interact with her mother, but Casey was miles away. Eventually, it seemed like Cayley was miles away too. It's my understanding that when a young child attempts to engage with a parent and is contiually ignored, they learn to suppress not only their natural desire to interact emotionally with others, but they learn to suppress the disappointment they feel when their efforts are ignored or neglected. This is where these children begin to cut off their own emotional responses ... where they first stop feeling. As adults, they lack empathy for others, but still feel sorry for themselves.Given what I understand of the premeditated attack on Joanna, I don't believe that VT had any empathy for her. He must have sociopathic tendencies to have carried out such a calculated attack on someone he didn't know.
It's definitely mind blowing. We just couldn't fathom that someone who seemed so decent and shy, could behave the way he did. I don't believe that he went to Jo with the intention of making a pass. He was too far gone by then, he must have known that whatever he was going to do, Jo must not live to tell the tale and making a silly pass would not satisfy his needs.
It is still hard to believe that he could do this so close to home and run such a risk of being caught.
I think I mentioned before that the urge he had to fulfill his fantasy must have been stronger than the very will to survive. Only when the deed was done did he go into survival mode.
Your post made my stomach churn. The thought of a child being ignored or pushed away by it's mother is just so sad, and of course would have dyer consequences for the child.
I remember reading that a baby can actually become depressed.
I am really quite upset by this topic and feeling depressed myself.
Think I will take a break for a while.
Sorry for being such a misery guts.
