Found Deceased UK - Leah Croucher - Emerson Valley - Milton Keynes - #7

[tedtink]

It wasn't a 'final ping'. Her phone was switched off at 8.34 am

ETA - IF it was LC on the phone crying near the lake then she must have had a second phone.

 

[jackal67]

This is not unusual at all. NM was not personally handed the keys by the owners.

As far as we know, he was working on behalf of a property management company. The house owners happened to choose that property management company to take care of their house. That's just what many people do who can't take care of property day to day.

More context: I can't speak for all of them of course, but property management companies are notorious for employing absolute *cowboys* to do maintenence work on the properties they manage. They want the work done quick, cheap and hassle free. To demonstrate this point, in this case, the property management company employed a well known convicted rapist to go into people's homes...

(Edited due to typo)

I had thought that the owners would most likely use a property management company. But the police said that the owners had employed him no mention of a company. If it was a company I assume they gave the owners NM name to give to the police. Still doesn't mean he was the only one with a key or had access though.

 

[Miss_French]

That's what I mean, check which phones were active in that area, all of them and eliminate them one by one.

The police aren't allowed to do that and would require a change to an Act of Parliament. They have to submit a request with known numbers of phones belonging to a victim, suspect or witness and check if those were on a mast.

 

[jackal67]

I believe he would be comfortable enough to give his name to someone in another country, although do we know he gave the exact name?

Well be must have given his name for the owners to pass it to the police

 

[pedronz06]

Most lofts are accessible with a step-ladder and I would think a handy man would carry one for general maintenance, such as painting ceilings etc

He could have sealed the body in something or simply used lime to reduce the smell. I'm sure there are lots of options, who knows what he knew about body disposal. He could have even dismembered it and even cooked it slowly over days etc. Autopsy should reveal this, I'm sure there will be blunt force trauma.

 

[Outside the box]

The police aren't allowed to do that and would require a change to an Act of Parliament. They have to submit a request with known numbers of phones belonging to a victim, suspect or witness and check if those were on a mast.

I think there needs to be a change personally, they do it when they have to, intelligence agencies etc..

 

[Miss_French]

This sort of approach should be more common in investigations. I know it's relatively complex now, but it needn't be. For certain categories of crimes the police should routinely have a list of mobile identifiers (GSM IDs I guess) connected to the immediately local masts. I know it's a bit big brother but actually - especially outside of massive cities like London - if you can say with some certainty was in Places A, B and C when a cluster of crimes happened in the same places, there's no reason not to at least want to rule them out.

The police can use mobile phone surveillance for serious crimes, but it's usually for terrorism.

 

[Outside the box]

Well be must have given his name for the owners to pass it to the police

He may have gave an alias that the police linked to him.

 

[LammyTheRobot]

The police can use mobile phone surveillance for serious crimes, but it's usually for terrorism.

Indeed - I'd suggest it shouldn't just be for terrorism though. If the cat's out the bag, they have the tools, they should be used to track down wanted very dangerous criminals a bit more often.

 

[Officer Dibble]

Ladders are mostly used for outside maintenance, such as gutter clearing. There might have been a ladder kept in the garage, NM wouldn't necessarily have needed to bring one.

Absolutely. I was just replying to the previous poster who suggested there was no access to the loft and why a ladder was required.

 

[Officer Dibble]

He may have gave an alias that the police linked to him.

That is a really good point. JMO

 

[jackal67]

Is it possible he'd carried out work for the owners previously? Possibly a family member or friend recommended him. Or maybe the property owner returned to the UK in Oct/Nov 2018, discovered some maintenance work needed to be done and hired him to do it, before returning abroad.

possibly ,but wonder how they found him? Seems like he travelled around a lot. Some people are saying that he was actually working for a property management company that the owners used and not hired him directly. Not sure what is true

 

[jackal67]

He may have gave an alias that the police linked to him.

Yes. Good point

 

[Vera_dci]

If NB was on the run for previous attacks I doubt very much that he gave his real name. The police may have put dna/finger prints found in the loft through the national database.

 

[Jaesu]

possibly ,but wonder how they found him? Seems like he travelled around a lot. Some people are saying that he was actually working for a property management company that the owners used and not hired him directly. Not sure what is true

Well at one point it sounds like he worked for a company to have a 'former boss' that has commented about him in the newspapers yesterday. So it's possible he was or used to work for a property management company but then went solo, did bits on the side.

 

[jackal67]

Despite the initial reports, I think it's still to be confirmed that the owners were in the the UK in 2019.

Ok. I hope the police are checking this out and also other key holders /workman . Seems strange to me that no one else has been in the property for over 3 years if even to check mail,security,etc. I believe basic checks of an empty home are a requirement of house insurance also.

 

[pedronz06]

It wasn't a 'final ping'. Her phone was switched off at 8.34 am

ETA - IF it was LC on the phone crying near the lake then she must have had a second phone.

Yeh I didn't think there was much auto pinging occuring on a network as this would be network intensive so wondered how they got the information or even if they had it in the first place. Some phones including my one will report their location as they are turned off by long pressing the power button, or even if the battery is low, I think this is even if location services is turned off, in her case it would go to samsung. I heard they did help in this investigation so maybe it came from them. I'll have to look for a source.
Edit
Here is the source

Missing Leah Croucher 'may have been abducted' as woman shares worrying sighting

A woman has come forward to tell of the worrying encounter she spotted while driving near the area of Milton Keynes - where the teen vanished without a trace on her way to work two years ago

www.mirror.co.uk

Also from reading this and it may be another red herring, someone mentioned her being tossed in a front seat, wasn't it a front seat and bedding tossed out along Loxbeare Drive a few months after NM's suicide.

Hopefully now that people are coming forward mentioning phone calls with him, they can now learn what his phone numbers/ call history were.

 

[Miss_French]

Ok. I hope the police are checking this out and also other key holders /workman . Seems strange to me that no one else has been in the property for over 3 years if even to check mail,security,etc. I believe basic checks of an empty home are a requirement of house insurance also.

There's specialist insurance available for unoccupied houses.

 

[tedtink]

So according to the DM, The penultimate offence must have been committed in October/November 2018 - Around the same time that he had received the keys to the house.

Looks like his offences escalated very quickly in that last year IMO.

Leah Croucher murder suspect Neil Maxwell 'once tried to strangle ex'

The prime suspect behind the disappearance of 19-year-old Leah Croucher tried to throttle his ex girlfriend.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[jackal67]

There's specialist insurance available for unoccupied houses.

ah ok thanks.