Found Deceased UK - Libby Squire, 21, last seen outside Welly club, Hull, 31 Jan 2019 #10 *ARREST*

[HopeForGoodNews]

*Regarding the witness who reported a scream, a banging gate and male voices*

Now that we know what house was hers, and after looking at the photos on Rightmove, the garden gate does look like a logical place to try to gain entry to the property if you had no key. Especially that PR is good at getting into houses, it really makes we wonder whether that’s where something initially happened.

I'm guessing the police checked the back garden of the property too. It looks like a tenfoot at the back. Does anyone know if this is the case?

It seems risky to me for him to take her around to the back garden, attack her and then try to bundle her in the car again (unless the car was down the tenfoot and not on the street)

 

[Zazie]

Why would she go out to a club with no cash? Unless her friends were going to buy her drinks?

Cos she had managed to lose keys and cash by that point in the night? (We'd really need the MSM link from Welly to know why they paid for cab.)

 

[Ched]

Where does it say the club paid for her taxi ? I haven’t seen that in MSM . My son hardly ever has cash at uni he pays for all his drinks using his dap and pay bank card

 

[Joolz1975]

Cos she had managed to lose keys and cash by that point in the night? (We'd really need the MSM link from Welly to know why they paid for cab.)

Yet I agree, think that one needs to be confirmed.

If she already knew she had lost her keys and cash when she wasn't allowed in the Welly why the taxi to her home?

If she knew she had no keys surely she would have borrowed a friends that lived with her (assuming she was with with them)

We havnt had it confirmed she had no keys either at this point though so the whole point is speculation.

 

[Zazie]

The bag could have been removed from the boot at any one of those points and placed to the rear of the car/grabbed out of frame before going onto Bev Rd

Could fit with the toolbag theory then. She's locked out, he brings and shows her his tools (as opposed to tool), says he can help her break in? Pops them in footwell for easy access and to keep evidence of his false narrative clearly in front of her for reassurance.

Parks in lane round the back of the house, after a show of breaking in, he shows her his tool (screams) and she tries to get away (banging gate).

At this stage he has to have subdued/silenced her v rapidly or else surely we'd have more audio witnesses. Does he swing a hammer at her in panic, she is knocked unconscious or worse, and he bundles her back into the car again? Then...?

Drawback of theory - am not aware of a huge forensics focus on the lane. If police suspected this was a scene of struggle, surely they'd be combing it like the park?

Back to the drawing board.

 

[Atoz]

But don't forget this was earlier hours Friday Morning. They started searching the pond and park Saturday on the Saturday. I believe the police had Spidercam on the Friday when Haworth street was searched. They saw he's car on cctv leaving Haworth and also around Oak rd.

What if they think P hid his own mobile in the park perhaps?

 

[Audiohoney]

I really can’t see her being out without cash or at the very least a bank card. And many licenced taxis will take card payment these days. If I don’t want a bulky wallet with me I’ll stick my contactless card in a coat pocket. I can potentially see them leave the house together and only one of the group taking a key - although we haven’t had confirmation she was without her keys.

I also can’t see the Welly covering her cab fee. She was too drunk to get in the club and sadly, but quite rightly, refused entry. They’re not obliged to pay the cab fare home for every student too drunk to gain entry. I’ve not seen this reported anywhere and can’t believe that would be the case.

 

[Inspecthernightly]

Don't like it when witnesses speak to the media.

I just worry about the reliability and the motives for telling the press.

If I'd heard either of those screams I'd have.

A. Gone to inspect myself (I'm nosey wouldn't be able to help myself).

B. Phoned 101 straightaway.

Not wait till the police come knocking,..still not tell them...then ring 101 later.

By that point they have seen news reports about timings etc...and could convince themselves that what they heard was at a different time to what It really was and imagined the noise to be worse than it was.

Agreed on point A i would at the very least have looked out the window surely its a natural thing to do especially if the screams were that bad to make you situp

Don't like it when witnesses speak to the media.

I just worry about the reliability and the motives for telling the press.

If I'd heard either of those screams I'd have.

A. Gone to inspect myself (I'm nosey wouldn't be able to help myself).

B. Phoned 101 straightaway.

Not wait till the police come knocking,..still not tell them...then ring 101 later.

By that point they have seen news reports about timings etc...and could convince themselves that what they heard was at a different time to what It really was and imagined the noise to be worse than it was.

I myself would at least have looked out the window ( she did say it was coming from the street near the witnesses house) yet my partner wouldnt have done anything so depends on the individual, some dont like to get involved i suppose because of possible repercussions.

 

[Strontium69]

I'm guessing the police checked the back garden of the property too. It looks like a tenfoot at the back. Does anyone know if this is the case?

It seems risky to me for him to take her around to the back garden, attack her and then try to bundle her in the car again (unless the car was down the tenfoot and not on the street)

The Police were physically searching gardens of those streets for a few days in the early stages, don't know in detail which ones.

 

[Quintet]

I thought that too, at first, but the more I watch the footage, the more it seems that the item was introduced into the car from outside it. Obviously could be completely wrong, of course.

I believe he may have taken a coat or blanket to wrap around a cold girl (takes it out in the edited time 2 mins missing) to convince her he wanted to help. The vision that some see of her pulling back slightly is the coat being removed from around her shoulders and put in the footwell, before LS is then helped/placed into the passenger seat.

 

[Inspecthernightly]

I also believe it's Libby getting into the car which is why I cannot watch that footage to the end. I always halt it before.

But even if she did get IN voluntarily I guess it's still abduction / kidnapping if she didn't arrive home in one piece and unharmed afterwards.

Its really hard to tell if it is or isnt LS from the clip we have the resolution / lighting just isnt good enough but im sure the bits edited out DID show LS at somepoint, she would have been captured walking/ being escorted from near the bench by PR back to the car.

 

[Joolz1975]

Its really hard to tell if it is or isnt LS from the clip we have the resolution / lighting just isnt good enough but im sure the bits edited out DID show LS at somepoint, she would have been captured walking/ being escorted from near the bench by PR back to the car.

The camera was fixed on the car it wasn't moving.

It would only capture what happened in the vicinity of the car so any edited bits would not show what was happening further up the street or around the bench.

I think cctv from on Beverley Rd probably got that but certainly not the Howarth St spider cctv.

 

[Spy Versus Spy]

I'm guessing the police checked the back garden of the property too. It looks like a tenfoot at the back. Does anyone know if this is the case?

It seems risky to me for him to take her around to the back garden, attack her and then try to bundle her in the car again (unless the car was down the tenfoot and not on the street)

Are we in danger of giving the report of the screams on Heathcote/Wellesley too much credence? A prev post pointed out the troubling delay in reporting such dramatic event. Not only the actual time of hearing but after the door to door enquiry contact .

For me its the above that is worrying ,plus iirc the resident reported hearing scream slam and whispered ' .....male voices' in the plural?
Interesting for those favouring an accomplice theory ....but at this point? How did another male get to the alley? Where did HE park up, let alone PR? Where did he go afterwards?Any scenario based around the statement re screams has to include these practicalities.

 

[Joolz1975]

Are we in danger of giving the report of the screams on Heathcote/Wellesley too much credence? A prev post pointed out the troubling delay in reporting such dramatic event. Not only the actual time of hearing but after the door to door enquiry contact .

For me its the above that is worrying ,plus iirc the resident reported hearing scream slam and whispered ' .....male voices' on the plural?
Interesting for those favouring an accomplice theory ....but at this point? How did another male get to the alley? Where did HE park up, let alone PR? Where did he go afterwards?Any scenario based around the statement re screams has to include these practicalities.

I think so yes.

If it had been reported straight away I'd think it more reliable.

But they didn't even report it when the police knocked on the door they rang 101 later.

In that time they would have heard news reports etc...

And I'm not saying they lied but maybe the times were not as accurate as they say and maybe the scream seemed more urgent 0nce they knew there had been an incident.

 

[Spy Versus Spy]

I think so yes.

If it had been reported straight away I'd think it more reliable.

But they didn't even report it when the police knocked on the door they rang 101 later.

In that time they would have heard news reports etc...

And I'm not saying they lied but maybe the times were not as accurate as they say and maybe the scream seemed more urgent 0nce they knew there had been an incident.

Agree.

Its potentially a really important part of the events of that night.. so its valid of course to explore it.

I think there was a delay from LE even after the delayed report? Wasnt there a later article bemoaning the fact that the reportee had not heard from LE since the report?

 

[CoverMeCagney]

Are we in danger of giving the report of the screams on Heathcote/Wellesley too much credence?

Yes, we are, even though I quite like the theory. We've only heard from two witnesses but there might be loads. It's a triangular area with around 50 houses backing onto it in total, so you'd think someone else would have heard something. Seems likely the police might have ruled it out, as far as I know there hasn't been any activity round there (not that the tenfoot/alley is visible from the street).

 

[CoverMeCagney]

The police focus is very much on the park. Given that they know 100 times what us mere mortals know, I reckon that theory is more likely.

 

[Inspecthernightly]

The camera was fixed on the car it wasn't moving.

It would only capture what happened in the vicinity of the car so any edited bits would not show what was happening further up the street or around the bench.

I think cctv from on Beverley Rd probably got that but certainly not the Howarth St spider cctv.

I think so yes.

If it had been reported straight away I'd think it more reliable.

But they didn't even report it when the police knocked on the door they rang 101 later.

In that time they would have heard news reports etc...

And I'm not saying they lied but maybe the times were not as accurate as they say and maybe the scream seemed more urgent 0nce they knew there had been an incident.

She did mention it when LE knocked on her door

 

[Joolz1975]

She did mention it when LE knocked on her door

That's not what was reported.

It states in the reports that she rang 101 AFTER police had knocked on her door.

 

[Spy Versus Spy]

Yes, we are, even though I quite like the theory. We've only heard from two witnesses but there might be loads. It's a triangular area with around 50 houses backing onto it in total, so you'd think someone else would have heard something. Seems likely the police might have ruled it out, as far as I know there hasn't been any activity round there (not that the tenfoot/alley is visible from the street).

Yeah Id like it to be a bit more solid. It does appeal to me too to some degree but theres so many things against it imo.

Id not even considered a lack of other reports of the same incident. There may well be of course but youd think a cluster of reports wouldve brought obvious notable LE activity or reports of activity in the locale