UK- Major incident declared in Southport after multiple stabbings, 29 July 2024

[dotr]

Just a thought, fwiw, speculation, imo.
Wondering if one of the reasons for the perp's murderous rampage, had anything to do with recent discussions concerning sending migrants to Rwanda?
June 2024

What is the UK's plan to send asylum seekers to Rwanda?

Plans to send some asylum seekers to Rwanda were passed by Parliament, but still face legal challenge.

www.bbc.com

''What is the Rwanda asylum plan?
In April 2022, the government said that any asylum seeker entering the UK "illegally" after 1 January 2022, from a safe country such as France, could be sent to Rwanda.
They would have their asylum claims processed there, rather than in the UK.
If successful, they could be granted refugee status and allowed to stay in the landlocked east-central African country.

If not, they could apply to settle in Rwanda on other grounds, or seek asylum in another "safe third country".
No asylum seeker would be able to apply to return to the UK.''

 

[Dotta]

Just a thought, fwiw, speculation, imo.
Wondering if one of the reasons for the perp's murderous rampage, had anything to do with recent discussions concerning sending migrants to Rwanda?
June 2024

What is the UK's plan to send asylum seekers to Rwanda?

Plans to send some asylum seekers to Rwanda were passed by Parliament, but still face legal challenge.

www.bbc.com

''What is the Rwanda asylum plan?
In April 2022, the government said that any asylum seeker entering the UK "illegally" after 1 January 2022, from a safe country such as France, could be sent to Rwanda.
They would have their asylum claims processed there, rather than in the UK.
If successful, they could be granted refugee status and allowed to stay in the landlocked east-central African country.

If not, they could apply to settle in Rwanda on other grounds, or seek asylum in another "safe third country".
No asylum seeker would be able to apply to return to the UK.''

The attacker was born in the UK.
This plan would not apply to him.
Besides,
as I read, this idea was rejected by new government.

Well,
that is from my point of view as a foreigner
living far away from the UK.

So,
I might be wrong.

JMO

 

[Alyce]

Just a thought, fwiw, speculation, imo.
Wondering if one of the reasons for the perp's murderous rampage, had anything to do with recent discussions concerning sending migrants to Rwanda?
June 2024

What is the UK's plan to send asylum seekers to Rwanda?

Plans to send some asylum seekers to Rwanda were passed by Parliament, but still face legal challenge.

www.bbc.com

''What is the Rwanda asylum plan?
In April 2022, the government said that any asylum seeker entering the UK "illegally" after 1 January 2022, from a safe country such as France, could be sent to Rwanda.
They would have their asylum claims processed there, rather than in the UK.
If successful, they could be granted refugee status and allowed to stay in the landlocked east-central African country.

If not, they could apply to settle in Rwanda on other grounds, or seek asylum in another "safe third country".
No asylum seeker would be able to apply to return to the UK.''

I really don't think so. He was born here, as was his elder brother. The family have been here for over 20 years, they must surely have settled status by now.

 

[BaronessWombat]

The BBC have reported that the suspect has an older brother. No mention of a younger sister. Southport stabbing latest: Third child dies after Southport dance class stabbing, say police

 

[Yellowbelly]

Just a thought, fwiw, speculation, imo.
Wondering if one of the reasons for the perp's murderous rampage, had anything to do with recent discussions concerning sending migrants to Rwanda?
June 2024

What is the UK's plan to send asylum seekers to Rwanda?

Plans to send some asylum seekers to Rwanda were passed by Parliament, but still face legal challenge.

www.bbc.com

''What is the Rwanda asylum plan?
In April 2022, the government said that any asylum seeker entering the UK "illegally" after 1 January 2022, from a safe country such as France, could be sent to Rwanda.
They would have their asylum claims processed there, rather than in the UK.
If successful, they could be granted refugee status and allowed to stay in the landlocked east-central African country.

If not, they could apply to settle in Rwanda on other grounds, or seek asylum in another "safe third country".
No asylum seeker would be able to apply to return to the UK.''

Two points. Firstly, this scheme was the first thing that the incoming Labour government scrapped. Secondly, the perp was born here, so nobody's going to be repatriating him to Rwanda, or anywhere else. I'm sure it's just a coincidence.

 

[dotr]

Jul 30, 2024 #thesun #southport #attack
'A masked man has been pictured outside a house that was later raided by police in Southport after a horror knife rampage that left two children dead.Six other youngsters were left in critical condition after being stabbed at the Taylor Swift-themed event in Merseyside yesterday.Dozens of youngsters had gathered for a "yoga and dance" holiday club before the chaos unfolded.A newly released video from ITV shows an individual wearing a green hoodie and a face mask walking back and forth outside the front door of a separate property in Southport.'

 

[Officer Dibble]

On the basis of what we know at the moment I'm coming down on the side of this being a deliberately targetted attack rather the random killings of somebody suffering from a psychotic event. We know that he took a taxi straight to the venue, which argues in favour of this being targetted rather than random. The venue itself, The Hart Space, is on the first floor of the business centre. In British English that means that it's upstairs. He would have had to go into the business centre and go upstairs to The Hart Space, which again, makes this look like a targetted attack. But who has anything against primary school aged girls dancing to Taylor Swift and doing Yoga? That's the unfathomable thing. If it's the targetting of one particular child who was known to the perpetrator, that would be one way of making sense of this.

About The Space - The Hart Space

The Hart Space in Southport with classes everyday including antenatal and pregnancy, baby classes, yoga and more!

thehartspace.co.uk

plus the fact the perp wore a hoodie and a face mask to conceal identity. JMO MOO

 

[Officer Dibble]

Beyond heartbreaking and beyond cruel. What sort of world are we living in now? My heart breaks for the loved ones of the victims and the victims themselves.

 

[Bluebear15]

Just a thought, fwiw, speculation, imo.
Wondering if one of the reasons for the perp's murderous rampage, had anything to do with recent discussions concerning sending migrants to Rwanda?
June 2024

What is the UK's plan to send asylum seekers to Rwanda?

Plans to send some asylum seekers to Rwanda were passed by Parliament, but still face legal challenge.

www.bbc.com

''What is the Rwanda asylum plan?
In April 2022, the government said that any asylum seeker entering the UK "illegally" after 1 January 2022, from a safe country such as France, could be sent to Rwanda.
They would have their asylum claims processed there, rather than in the UK.
If successful, they could be granted refugee status and allowed to stay in the landlocked east-central African country.

If not, they could apply to settle in Rwanda on other grounds, or seek asylum in another "safe third country".
No asylum seeker would be able to apply to return to the UK.''

That plan has been scrapped though, due to the supreme court ruling that Rwanda is an unsafe country, and the astronomical cost of the scheme. I don't think that it's of any relevance. Jmo, moo

 

[VerityGumshoe]

Another possibility [along with several other valid potential motives that were outlined earlier in this thread] is that he is a relative of someone who was attending the dance event. A furious disgruntled older sibling of a much younger and favoured sister, perhaps.

I live 15 minutes walk away from what happened. It's been a terrible day here.

It’s unbelievable that something like this can happen so nearby. It’s horrific and so heartbreaking

 

[Dotta]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1818254573620093274

 

[Alyce]

A third child who died in the horror knife attack in Southport was today named as Alice Aguiar. It is understood the nine-year-old was originally from Portugal but had moved to Crossens in Sefton.

'Happy smiley girl', 9, killed in Southport stabbing named

Alice Aguiar was among children at a Taylor Swift dance party when a knife attacker struck

www.liverpoolecho.co.uk

 

[Inthedetails]

UK riots latest: Thousands take part in anti-racism protests; petrol bomb thrown at mosque in 'racially motivated' incident

Police are on high alert this weekend amid concerns over more disorder breaking out as protests take place across the country. In Northern Ireland, police are investigating a "racially motivated" attack on a mosque.

news.sky.com

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By targeting this specific dance class (which I bet the little dancers simply LOVED), the perp extended the hurt and pain across the world, likely scaring many, many little girls. That was part of his point, imo.

jmo

 

[dotr]

Southport suspect allegedly from Cardiff

A teenager being questioned over a 'ferocious' attack in Southport on Monday is reportedly from Cardiff.

www.southwalesargus.co.uk

''The 17-year-old boy was born in Cardiff after his family moved in Britain apparently from Rwanda - then moved north to Merseyside about ten years ago.

The family of four lived in St Mellons and Thornhill areas of Cardiff before moving to Southport in 2013.

His former neighbours described their shock at events yesterday, saying the boys was a "typical, normal five year old"

 

[Yellowbelly]

A member of the public arrived just before the first police on the scene and helped them wrestle the attacker to the ground.

'Hero' window cleaner tackled knifeman after hearing girls scream in dance class

Joel Verite, 25, has been described as a "true hero" after he tackled the knifeman stabbing children at a Taylor Swift themed dance class in yesterday's horrific Southport stabbings

www.mirror.co.uk

 

[dotr]

Clashes in Southport after town mourns in vigil for victims of stabbing attack

Police say items have been thrown towards a local mosque, hours after a vigil for those killed and injured in Monday's stabbing.

www.bbc.com

''Helen, a neighbour of the suspect's family while they lived in Cardiff, has spoken of her shock at hearing the news from Southport.

"They were a lovely young couple. They were little boys, they were boisterous. Mum was a stay-at-home mum, Dad was nice, he went to work every day.

"They had a small family car, a little hatchback. They said they'd come from Rwanda and I thought, whatever you've been through, you deserve privacy.

"I'm not going to pry, you know, you've already got a story, and it's probably not a good one. It (the Rwandan genocide) had been in the news about a year before that.

"They were a normal family and they were normal kids trying to make ends meet. We chatted over the garden fence. You know, in the summer the back doors open, we chatted over the fence."

 

[Dotta]

Clashes in Southport after town mourns in vigil for victims of stabbing attack

Police say items have been thrown towards a local mosque, hours after a vigil for those killed and injured in Monday's stabbing.

www.bbc.com

''Helen, a neighbour of the suspect's family while they lived in Cardiff, has spoken of her shock at hearing the news from Southport.

"They were a lovely young couple. They were little boys, they were boisterous. Mum was a stay-at-home mum, Dad was nice, he went to work every day.

"They had a small family car, a little hatchback. They said they'd come from Rwanda and I thought, whatever you've been through, you deserve privacy.

"I'm not going to pry, you know, you've already got a story, and it's probably not a good one. It (the Rwandan genocide) had been in the news about a year before that.

"They were a normal family and they were normal kids trying to make ends meet. We chatted over the garden fence. You know, in the summer the back doors open, we chatted over the fence."

Oh well,
Neighbours are always so surprised.
I'm waiting for:
"He was so nice.
He always said Hello".

JMO

 

[Officer Dibble]

First child victim, nine, of Southport stabbing attack is named

One of the three children killed in the horror Southport stabbing attack was today named as Alice Aguiar, as her devastated loved ones said their princess had been taken by a 'despicable' man.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[dotr]

Teenager, 17, arrested over Southport stabbings had 'nice family'

The 17-year-old boy was born in Cardiff after his family moved from the African nation - then moved north to Merseyside about ten years ago.

www.dailymail.co.uk

rbbm
''The teenager held over the Southport stabbings was an 'introvert' who lived in a nearby village with his 'nice family', who had moved to the UK from Rwanda.''

''As a youngster he trained in karate with his father doing classes with Sensei Chico Mbakwe, 79, at St Cadoc's church hall in Llanrumney - a suburb of the Welsh capital.''

''Mr Mbakwe said the boy was a 'typical, normal five year old' who continued to train at the dojo even after his father fell out with club leaders.
Mr Mbakwe said: 'He was a good child, a normal child, who had lots of energy.
'I remember him because he continued to train with us for around three months after his father left for another dojo I own.'
Mr Mbakwe said the family were nice but the boy's father fell out with him after he failed him for his black belt grading.''

'The youngest child was very quiet, an introvert
He was quite clingy to his mum while his older brother was more boisterous and would stick his tongue out at you.''
'They must have had lots of money, it wouldn't have been a cheap rent.
'This is a lovely estate in a nice part of Cardiff.'

 

[bluetit]

By targeting this specific dance class (which I bet the little dancers simply LOVED), the perp extended the hurt and pain across the world, likely scaring many, many little girls. That was part of his point, imo.

jmo

Which is why it’s disgusting they’re not calling it terrorism