Deceased/Not Found UK - Margaret Fleming, 19, Inverclyde, Scotland, 17 Dec 1999 *Guilty*

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Work appears to have finished at the property, the steel shutters are all down
 
Taskforce88 said:
Work appears to have finished at the property, the steel shutters are all down
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Keep us posted if anything comes out. I can't find anything recent.

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I've googled Margaret's name every day hoping for an update. I don't believe the police will let this drop.

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So sad, I don't believe she left to lead a new life. From my understanding it takes a lot of sly planning to disappear on your own terms. It would take a lot of being very careful, somehow creating a new identity, getting new cards, money.. a job. I cant even imagine starting a new life, how could someone who's "disabled" be able to get away with it?
 
MOTORUNNER said:
So sad, I don't believe she left to lead a new life. From my understanding it takes a lot of sly planning to disappear on your own terms. It would take a lot of being very careful, somehow creating a new identity, getting new cards, money.. a job. I cant even imagine starting a new life, how could someone who's "disabled" be able to get away with it?
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Her carers got away with claiming her benefits for years. Just depends how disabled she was. Someone could've helped her, she could've spoke to people at college and told them something. It's funny her mum keeps quiet


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There is no way in hell she has started another life somewhere. It's even a huge hassle to do so legally under your own name - I emigrated to the UK so know this!


This is a woman with learning difficulties whose carers claim lived with them up until a few hours before the police chapped their door. I really can't see her having the mental capacity to do a canoe man.

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Taskforce88 said:
I think bugging requires approval from the Surveillance Commissioner but some form of low level 'covert' activity is probably on-going
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It requires authorisation under RIPA, the Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act, which covers any form of surveillance (electronic or otherwise) carried out by a public body, including the police, on members of the public. Any body subject to RIPA will have a duly appointed person who must consider and approve or otherwise all requests to carry out surveillance.
 
Ironside said:
There is no way in hell she has started another life somewhere. It's even a huge hassle to do so legally under your own name - I emigrated to the UK so know this!


This is a woman with learning difficulties whose carers claim lived with them up until a few hours before the police chapped their door. I really can't see her having the mental capacity to do a canoe man.

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Nope, IMO shes been dead since 1999.
 
guruagain said:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4456090/Woman-seen-1999-victim-sinister-plot.html
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No way... :

The disappearance of a vulnerable woman last seen in public more than 17 years ago may be down to something 'more sinister' than originally thought, police have said.
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Hmmm. I think they're gonna get away with it:

'Once we have everything we will review the situation and then have a discussion with the procurator fiscal office to see if they consider that there is anything further that we should do. If there are no further avenues we work on the premise that Margaret is still alive and this remains a missing person inquiry.
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And sorry, lady, in my opinion you lost the right to feel upset about this quite a long time ago:

Police said they remain in contact with Ms Fleming's mother, who 'understandably is shocked and distressed at her disappearance'.
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A bit more from that MSM link. Let us hope the poring over documents provides a lead. Poor Margaret.:(

Her carers - who told police that they last saw Margaret at 5.40pm on October 28 last year - have so far declined to issue a public appeal to help find her.

Detective Chief Inspector Livingstone said: 'It would be foolish not to consider that something sinister has happened.

'That is still a consideration and has been a consideration from day one but there is no evidence to suggest anything other than this is a missing person situation.

'We have finished our examination of the house and grounds and we are now poring over a number of documents to establish anything that can point us in the right direction.
 
Anyone know where in America her relatives live?


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Why doesn't mummy do a public appeal?

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Body language via a public appeal has been used many times to get an arrest, they are not stupid :)

IMO the police had hoped to find remains in the garden, so that indicates what the police believed from day one. Digging up the garden and the continual police presence was very costly and not something that would have been sanctioned unless senior officers had strong reason to believe something would be found.
 
Perhaps someone had alerted the police to strange activity in the garden they remembered seeing at some point from 1999-2016?
 
I actually think the police dug up the garden knowing it was unlikely they would find anything but to show the carers they mean business.

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Ironside said:
I actually think the police dug up the garden knowing it was unlikely they would find anything but to show the carers they mean business.

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Possible but IMO unlikely since the length of time they had specialists deployed doing ground work and the cost involved in digging the garden up. Anytime I went past there was always a lot of movement (still visible between the shutters) in the garden and property. Clearly they had strong indications that something was in the garden and I doubt they would waste forensic specialists time for a photo op.
 
I went passed on Saturday, police do appear to have returned, very interesting development.

Soil samples? hmm

Points to a garden disposal of some kind.
 
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