GUILTY UK - Mikaeel Kular, 3, Edinburgh, Scotland, 15 Jan 2014 - #2

[Lolacat]

This whole case leaves me with an overwhelming sadness. I hope that throughout this process, lessons are learned and somehow more funding is given to social services.

Anger and retribution is pointless. It must be about prevention and the slow process of healing the terrible ills of society. Such things take a lot of time, but we all have our part to play on a day to day basis.

I was wondering if someone could PM me the instagram page please?

In my mind, reducing the stigma of mental illness is a major first step. If you have a broken leg, everyone is supportive and sympathetic. If you have a mental illness noone wants to know. How can we expect people to seek help for depression/PPD etc.. if society constantly clings to negative images of mental illness in the media. Why, just recently, supermarkets here had to withdraw a "mental patient" halloween costume after a raft of complaints from the public, and rightly so. Grrr, it makes me so angry :banghead:

 

[skibaboo]

This whole case leaves me with an overwhelming sadness. I hope that throughout this process, lessons are learned and somehow more funding is given to social services.

Anger and retribution is pointless. It must be about prevention and the slow process of healing the terrible ills of society. Such things take a lot of time, but we all have our part to play on a day to day basis.

I was wondering if someone could PM me the instagram page please?

http://instagram.com/rosieallgood

 

[Alyce]

I wonder if anyone saw him safe and sound on the 14th. Because to me, this page looks like it was put up there for public consumption, as a cover. :moo:

Yes indeed.

From all the neighbour comments, saying they had not seen Mikaeel this year and the nursery saying she called in each day to say he was not well.......it looks as though the instagram pics were from an earlier time ( Xmas perhaps )

 

[Lots2Learn]

In my mind, reducing the stigma of mental illness is a major first step. If you have a broken leg, everyone is supportive and sympathetic. If you have a mental illness noone wants to know. How can we expect people to seek help for depression/PPD etc.. if society constantly clings to negative images of mental illness in the media. Why, just recently, supermarkets here had to withdraw a "mental patient" halloween costume after a raft of complaints from the public, and rightly so. Grrr, it makes me so angry :banghead:

I agree about the mental illness and it's stigma.
Are you saying that Rose had a mental illness?

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[YidArmyRach]

I think there might possibly be witnesses to this crime. But it could be a very long, delicate process to get that information, kwim? It is a horrible position for any member of a family to be in, but for very young ones it is terrible.

But I fear the most daming evidence in this case may come, 'out of the mouths of babes'.

Last night when watching SKY news for many hours, I'm sure that I remember (and I'm happy to be corrected) that the reporter/presenter said something about the children being interviewed, not long before the news that Mikaeel's body had been discovered, and that their mother was being detained.

 

[zwiebel]

I don't know why media has had to run a social media picture of sister who is currently caring for all four children of Rosdeep. That's not helpful to them or her, and she will need all her strength.

I also don't understand why family are finally speaking out now though - when the urgent need to find this little boy has passed, and he no longer needs their voices. Who are they doing it for?

 

[Lolacat]

I agree about the mental illness and it's stigma.
Are you saying that Rose had a mental illness?

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No. I cannot say that, I have no idea about her mental health. I just mean generally, women with PPD or anyone struggling with depression or other mental illnesses are often reluctant to seek help because of the fear of stigmatisation.

 

[sar2them1984]

I agree about the mental illness and it's stigma.
Are you saying that Rose had a mental illness?

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I've worked in mental health for a number of years. I in no way want to attempt to diagnose Rosie as I don't believe you can do so without meeting the individual and their family/friends nor without knowing their background and so on.

As all we have is her sm profiles it would be impossible to! She does come across as narcissistic perhaps, but would that really have any impact on her functioning as a parent? I doubt it

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[graceholl]

I feel so so sad for the other kids. They have pretty much lost their mother as well as their baby brother.

As others have said, interesting they haven't said what the charge is. Could be neglect and concealment of a body. Could be full blown murder. I guess we will find out on Monday.

 

[zwiebel]

Social services will be launching a review very soon, I suspect.

 

[Lolacat]

I feel so so sad for the other kids. They have pretty much lost their mother as well as their baby brother.

As others have said, interesting they haven't said what the charge is. Could be neglect and concealment of a body. Could be full blown murder. I guess we will find out on Monday.

I believe this might be because the post mortem hasn't been completed yet.

 

[zwiebel]

Who is the coroner in Edinburgh, anyone?

 

[sar2them1984]

Social services will be launching a review very soon, I suspect.

Oh yes. I'm waiting for those words. Serious case review. Its times like this when I'm glad im specialising in adult social work

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[Bluey]

Social services will be launching a review very soon, I suspect.

Yes, I would think so.

I did a quick google search on that. Would be called a 'Significant Case Review' in Scotland from what I can see.

 

[sar2them1984]

I believe this might be because the post mortem hasn't been completed yet.

Post mortem currently taking place

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[sar2them1984]

Yes, I would think so.

I did a quick google search on that. Would be called a 'Significant Case Review' in Scotland from what I can see.

Thanks for that. I assumed it was called the same as in England. I must stop assuming!!!

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[Atoz]

In my mind, reducing the stigma of mental illness is a major first step. If you have a broken leg, everyone is supportive and sympathetic. If you have a mental illness noone wants to know. How can we expect people to seek help for depression/PPD etc.. if society constantly clings to negative images of mental illness in the media. Why, just recently, supermarkets here had to withdraw a "mental patient" halloween costume after a raft of complaints from the public, and rightly so. Grrr, it makes me so angry :banghead:

Yeah, you make a really good point. Society as a whole is so focused on the external world, completely to the detriment of the vast emotional and psychological lives we all lead on the inside.

Perhaps if from an early age kids were taught in school to be aware of their emotions and thoughts a little more and felt welcome to talk about them, we might make some progress as a society.

 

[Bluey]

Thanks for that. I assumed it was called the same as in England. I must stop assuming!!!

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What is a significant case review?
Significant case reviews take place after a child dies or is seriously injured and abuse or neglect is known or suspected.

The purpose is to help agencies learn lessons about how better to protect children and young people from serious abuse.

They are the equivalent of serious case reviews in England, case management reviews in Northern Ireland and multi-agency child practice reviews in Cymru/Wales.

From http://www.nspcc.org.uk/Inform/resourcesforprofessionals/scrs/scotland_wda87552.html

So the same thing, just a different name for some reason

 

[Lolacat]

Yeah, you make a really good point. Society as a whole is so focused on the external world, completely to the detriment of the vast emotional and psychological lives we all lead on the inside.

Perhaps if from an early age kids were taught in school to be aware of their emotions and thoughts a little more and felt welcome to talk about them, we might make some progress as a society.

I couldn't agree more

 

[Ellmau]

Who is the coroner in Edinburgh, anyone?

They don't actually have coroners in Scotland; their role is taken by the Procurator Fiscal. If it's the way it is in England, there may never be an inquest if it is superseded by a murder or manslaughter trial. (NB the inquest is different from the post mortem, it's the legal hearing at which the cause of death is determined.)