Found Deceased UK - Nicola Bulley Last Seen Walking Dog Near River - St Michaels on Wyre (Lancashire) #10

[msmarple99]

I was at a friend's just a couple of days ago who has a springer spaniel. Whilst I was sitting on the sofa he came over to me carrying his quite large and weighty harness in his mouth. So the location of Willow's harness could well be that she had walked around with it in her mouth and dropped it, it's position or proximity to the water may not signify it having being strategically placed or thrown by someone at all

PA would know whether willow carries her harness jMO

 

[LuluR38]

Ring doorbell footage

If he was the ones to put the kids and dog in the car whilst Nicky came down then why is it her on the cctv that morning. what footage is there of him, assuming there is some of him leaving …

 

[Mr X]

JMO and rather insensitive but what would happen if the MP had deliberately gone missing ?

All of the police work and other interventions would have been for nothing.

If the MP then decided to come back home how would this be received? Would they get a bill from the police force for wasting police time?

I know it's a bit bad to suggest this but strange things happen .

Netflix would buy it and you could make a lot of money.

A school friend of mine had a brain haemorrhage about 15 years ago as an adult. She survived and Netflix made a documentary about it "My beautiful broken brain". She made a good deal of money out of it.

IMO this is fantasy stuff but strange things happen.

ETA
Having said that you would not do this sort of thing to your children as they will be permanently scarred.

 

[cottonweaver]

maybe we should explore this claim, see how plausible it would be, based on what we know? ( Plausible as opposed to theoretically possible)

Mark Willaims Thomas again:
Top cop says Nicola Bulley could have been abducted in '10-second window'

Top cop says Nicola Bulley could have been abducted in '10-second window'

Mark Williams-Thomas reckons Nicola Bulley could have been 'gone in 10 seconds' if an 'offender' or 'plan' was present in the 'window of opportunity' when the mum-of-two was out of sight

www.dailystar.co.uk

 

[Cluella DeVille]

"...on alert"???
Honestly - the inference in your comment is completely unfounded in my opinion.

What he's said was when he came down, not when he woke up. He could have been a little later down than usual, she could have been a little earlier than usual - especially knowing she had a work engagement at 9.00 so she would want to be sorted out in good time. All he said was that there was just not much rushing.

Personally I don't read anything untoward in this at all (having had three sons of my own - sometimes it's manic, sometimes it's well ordered).
Just seems like a pretty normal description of early mornings with kids at most households to be honest.
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And he's no doubt played the previous night and that morning over and over in his mind trying to think could he/should he have seen a sign to explain any of this. The schedule of that morning would probably never have entered his head had life continued as normal

 

[russeverton]

If he was the ones to put the kids and dog in the car whilst Nicky came down then why is it her on the cctv that morning. what footage is there of him, assuming there is some of him leaving …

There will be but why would it be relevant ? we are looking for nicola not paul

 

[PS8800]

Phone was placed on the bench at 9.20am.
Teams meeting ended at 9.30am
She did not log out.
The window remains at 10 mins approx.

Dog and phone discovered at 9.33am. Nicola was not there at that time.

How do we know what time the phone was placed on the bench?

 

[Just-a-random-girl]

I was just looking at NB's Strava maps and she does seem to have previously spent significant time at the bench area. On her last recorded walk on the app on 7 Nov she appears to have moved backwards and forwards and in loops between the bench and water. Map shows lots of squiggles (moving around), right next to the river.

Attached is a wider view and a zoomed in view.

 

[WAWAW]

I would agree, but he specifically said that morning was different from all other ones and it put him on alert. Interesting but I can't think how it would be significant.

There was something odd about the night before as well. I'm sure I've read she asked her parents to look after the kids a bit longer(can't remember if she was meeting her boss or a client on zoom), kids seem old enough not to bother them and her partner was there anyway so not sure why that is required. Following on from this, if a new client why is she not talking about that on teams call, and if her boss why the need for an email following day. I just wonder if there was a row on the Thursday evening and that's why things were a bit different that morning.

 

[russeverton]

maybe we should explore this claim, see how plausible it would be, based on what we know? ( Plausible as opposed to theoretically possible)

Mark Willaims Thomas again:
Top cop says Nicola Bulley could have been abducted in '10-second window'

Top cop says Nicola Bulley could have been abducted in '10-second window'

Mark Williams-Thomas reckons Nicola Bulley could have been 'gone in 10 seconds' if an 'offender' or 'plan' was present in the 'window of opportunity' when the mum-of-two was out of sight

www.dailystar.co.uk

If she was where she was last spotted. Dog out of sight no witnesses around looking at the upper field quite well hidden in parts. Yes not sure about 10 seconds but it wouldnt take long would it? Easily abduct and be out of sight in that area in less than a minute imo

 

[Rebeka89]

Problem with that is IMO they’d have had to know N would sit on that bench and at what time. Next problem would be how would they get her out tye through the exits which are 5/10 minutes away without anyone seeing? Without Willow barking and following and N screaming and struggling? It’s broad daylight in the morning with people coming and going, that just couldn’t happen IMO

Sorry if this was already mentioned, but do we know, based on her Strava history, that she had a habit of sitting on that bench or it wasn't usual?

 

[russeverton]

I was just looking at NB's Strava maps and she does seem to have previously spent significant time at the bench area. On her last recorded walk on the app on 7 Nov she appears to have moved backwards and forwards and in loops between the bench and water. Map shows lots of squiggles (moving around), right next to the river.

Attached is a wider view and a zoomed in view.

There is no evidence or witnesses to say she was ever near the bench on the day she dissappeared.

 

[cottonweaver]

Problem with that is IMO they’d have had to know N would sit on that bench and at what time. Next problem would be how would they get her out tye through the exits which are 5/10 minutes away without anyone seeing? Without Willow barking and following and N screaming and struggling? It’s broad daylight in the morning with people coming and going, that just couldn’t happen IMO

MWThomas is claiming that an opportunistic perp get away with it, could achieve this abduction of NB in 10 seconds.

As you say, the initial approach of the victim, followed by incapacitating her in some way to drag/carry her off to an exit/caravan/ house/ wherever) would have taken longer than 10 seconds

 

[Coach]

Yes, but being more upbeat or more organized than usual is not necessarily a red flag that one is about to go missing.

Surely there were days when she was more upbeat, or more organized than another day, but didn't disappear?

Either way, it doesn't point to suicide, being voluntarily missing, or an abduction, or tell us anything about what happened to her.

I don’t recall Dan asking what the evening before was like. I agree, being more organised isn’t necessarily a red flag. Some days will go smoother than others in all households. Perhaps the reason he felt things were more organised that morning is something as simple like he was a bit later in coming down to the kitchen and the lunches were all ready done. During the documentary, did he say that he logged in to check emails to plan the day ahead and he always goes to the gym at lunchtime on a Friday?

 

[Cluella DeVille]

Problem with that is IMO they’d have had to know N would sit on that bench and at what time. Next problem would be how would they get her out tye through the exits which are 5/10 minutes away without anyone seeing? Without Willow barking and following and N screaming and struggling? It’s broad daylight in the morning with people coming and going, that just couldn’t happen IMO

My response was to a question as to how someone could have possibly got NB out of the gate without her dog, or why she might have left Willow? I wasn't speculating as to how or whether it happened at all, or what might have occurred beyond that possibility. And IF it did happen I have no idea how someone would have then successfully removed her from that particular area. To the contrary, and as I have previously mentioned, MOO is that she herself wasn't at the bench

 

[Awaywego]

There was something odd about the night before as well. I'm sure I've read she asked her parents to look after the kids a bit longer(can't remember if she was meeting her boss or a client on zoom), kids seem old enough not to bother them and her partner was there anyway so not sure why that is required. Following on from this, if a new client why is she not talking about that on teams call, and if her boss why the need for an email following day. I just wonder if there was a row on the Thursday evening and that's why things were a bit different that morning.

Possibly but it sounds like PA worked on US time so would have been working too.

 

[Mr X]

I was just looking at NB's Strava maps and she does seem to have previously spent significant time at the bench area. On her last recorded walk on the app on 7 Nov she appears to have moved backwards and forwards and in loops between the bench and water. Map shows lots of squiggles (moving around), right next to the river.

Attached is a wider view and a zoomed in view.

IMO that could just be GPS inaccuracy and the person at the time was sitting on the bench. Maybe the MP always sat there for a while during a walk. Nice spot for a rest?
Or possibly on a call and walking around in the general area.

 

[Cluella DeVille]

PA would know whether willow carries her harness jMO

Of course, but I hadn't previously given a great deal of thought as to the location of Willow's harness at the scene prior to being presented with one myself by my friend's dog

 

[Lincoln34]

She probably prepared the things she had to as it was the last working day of the week and she had a teams work meeting at 9am so didn’t want to be late.

But she was slightly late to the call

new links, this morning https://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/index.html



Irony is dead



Two articles which appear next to each other at the link above

JANET STREET-PORTER: The Nicola Bulley mystery isn't a Netflix crime show. Our endless demand for TV police dramas is to blame for the circus of ghouls and amateur detectives salivating over this tragic saga and adding to the agony of her poor family​

and

EXCLUSIVE

The EIGHT key clues in Nicola Bulley's disappearance: Former detective says police must look closer at the missing mother's phone, fitbit and her dog​

Yes @mrjitty MWT, Group Investigations Editor (Newsquest)TV Reporter.The Investigator(Netflix) , is key contributor for the ' Exclusive' in the Mail, today, see above.

MWT has also claimed that '....actually only needs to be a matter of 10, 15 seconds. “It's that quick, that you can actually abduct someone, or alternatively, you can get away yourself."

MWT left the police, at the rank of detective constable , for a company specialising in removing chewing gum.

Self-promoting TV detective helped ruin the lives of innocent celebs

Sir Cliff Richard, Jim Davidson, Freddie Starr and Lord Brittan were all accused of abuse but never charged with an offence. 'Detective’ Mark Williams-Thomas publicised their names.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Coach]

If the harness was on the embankment, is it possible that N could have slipped and tripped when she was trying to put it back on? Maybe Willow didn’t want it to go back on at that point and N possibly tripped over her.