Found Deceased UK - Nicola Bulley Last Seen Walking Dog Near River - St Michaels on Wyre (Lancashire) #11

[Mr X]

Do people really leave their cars open with the keys in and go for walks. Tbh I find that hard to believe
I don't think it's been confirmed where the car was parked yet. I live in a similar area with many village primary schools and have not seen one with a secure car park. The nature of schools is that vehicles are coming and going all day and school car parks (if there even is one) are open all day

I know inner cities might be different

I wouldn't but I don't have a car.

Someone up thread said with some modern cars you can unlock using your phone so the keys would in fact be in a locked car. I imagine this would invalidate insurance but it would stop you losing your keys !

 

[jackal67]

There was a poster on that case who basically said, almost to the nearest square metre, where AKs body would be found…and the date it would be found.
he was absolutely spot on.

Yes I remember that case

 

[Interested_But_Confused]

-Falling while walking - Falling on a steep slope near a river is a greater probability than on a normal path, NB was near a steep slope

I'd also say those paving slabs in front of the bench look extremely dangerous given the steep slope in front of them. If you were to slip on the paving slabs you could quite literally go flying and barely touch the riverbank before landing in the water. The slabs may have been dry by the time help arrived at almost 11am, but who can say if they were a bit frosty or slippery at 9:20am.

 

[Coach]

If the Police are looking to identify the two suspicious men and if they haven’t located them yet, if they are on CCTV will they release it to the public in attempt to identify them?

 

[pineapple23]

I don't think it's been confirmed where the car was parked yet. I live in a similar area with many village primary schools and have not seen one with a secure car park. The nature of schools is that vehicles are coming and going all day and school car parks (if there even is one) are open all day

I've seen various reports that Nicola left her car at the school car park The facts about disappearance of Nicola Bulley as search enters its 13th day

 

[tallmansix]

.... which explains why PA took so long to release photos of her on CCTV and also why there's so much disinformation from the get go.

I've not quoted all your post for obvious reasons relating to the rules of this forum, but the second part...

Police would have had the CCTV from day 1 - no actual reasons to release that to the public straight away, we had an accurate description of what NB was wearing and other photos of her, the private footage from the driveway was not necessary to help with the public appeal.

I'm not aware of any disinformation whatsoever from official sources. Of course, social media, the press and this thread have all sorts of theories being expressed, but as far as official sources - PA, Police, Friends, Family - no disinformation whatsoever.

 

[cottonweaver]

I have been thinking the same, but then I do wonder if they didn't manage to catch NB on CCTV why are they so confident that a third party would have been seen on CCTV

Not sure it's that binary

Isn't it rather, that they say that they feel it's more likely that she didn't leave that field precisely because they cannot find either her ( or a perp with her) on all the cctv they have gathered to date. ( the cctv which covers most of the exit routes)

The area where they are lacking cctv ( covering exit route via path to Garstang Rd) is the one they've been requesting dash cam of, for at least 13 days.

( ps They explain their deductions at their official website, including how witness placements & telephony helped them arrived at this hypothesis. Not just cctv elimination)

 

[Coach]

School car park and school

 

[Casseus]

I've not quoted all your post for obvious reasons relating to the rules of this forum, but the second part...

Police would have had the CCTV from day 1 - no actual reasons to release that to the public straight away, we had an accurate description of what NB was wearing and other photos of her, the private footage from the driveway was not necessary to help with the public appeal.

I'm not aware of any disinformation whatsoever from official sources. Of course, social media, the press and this thread have all sorts of theories being expressed, but as far as official sources - PA, Police, Friends, Family - no disinformation whatsoever.

Exactly the public feel they have the right to this information and look what happened to the CCTV from their house. Only a few hours had passed and the conspiracy theorist started with the whole “that’s not Nicola her nose is too low, cheek bones are different that’s her friend Emma posing as a decoy” imagine reading that as the family. That’s what the public does with CCTV. It turns it into some far fetched conspiracy rubbish. He police have to keep him the information bite sized because because of social media the public can’t be trusted.

 

[Davieson]

I have been thinking the same, but then I do wonder if they didn't manage to catch NB on CCTV why are they so confident that a third party would have been seen on CCTV

I don't think they will have any confidence of that, but its a line of investigation they must examine.
If they find anything, then they can follow through
Personally I think dahscams will be unsuccessful due to the interval in time since the event. Cameras mostly have limited storage and then record over the previous recording, so anything that might have been there could be lost.

 

[Davies the News]

I see it as perfectly possible that up in the top field, where she was last sighted, NB could have been accosted by someone who had been watching from behind the fence of the Rowanwater site. Bundled her into a vehicle or detained her in that site temporarily and then who knows…

Phone could have been returned to the bench as a decoy.

I don’t know what the CCTV situation is around the back of the Rowanwater site but I haven’t heard it mentioned as being covered. I know LE have said they have searched Rowanwater properties but NB could have easily been whisked away before they got there.

I understand that that between Rowanwater static lodge park and the Upper Field where NB was last witnessed is the location of the 'broken' CCTV blindspot. Static lodge parks near to me close for the entire month of February and even full-time residents have to vacate for the whole month. I wonder if that is the case with Rowanwater?

One thing that's interesting about a site like Rowanwater is that it would be used by people who could have both a strong local knowledge but also may have a primary residence elsewhere.

 

[ShireChe]

Not sure it's that binary

Isn't it rather, that they say that they feel it's more likely that she didn't leave that field precisely because they cannot find either her ( or a perp with her) on all the cctv they have gathered to date. ( the cctv which covers most of the exit routes)

The area where they are lacking cctv ( covering exit route via path to Garstang Rd) is the one they've been requesting dash cam of, for at least 13 days.

( ps They explain their deductions at their official website, including how witness placements & telephony helped them arrived at this hypothesis. Not just cctv elimination)

I agree the water is the most likely scenario, but if it does turn out a third party is involved it's going to look very, very bad for LP. While they didn't 100% rule out a non water incident, their early statements very much gave that impression.

 

[sunshineray]

Just the side view of her face in other images shows different cheek bones & of all her own selfies etc on social media is the only time we’ve seen her with hair ties back, just something not right

I still don't understand why a doppelganger would be at her house, putting her dog in the car, wearing her clothes...all at the time she did her usual morning routine in a small and very community based town? To what purpose? I'm truly baffled why anyone would think this average Mom would need an imposter going about her run of the mill life? Could you be more specific? TIA

 

[Davieson]

I don't support the idea of 3rd party involvement, but if someone had wanted to take her, there must have been far easier options than from a remote field.

 

[LibertySleuth]

A fellow WS asked me about motives in an earlier post so I started a list of all those that I've seen be put forward. One that wasn't on the list was an altercation about the dog being off the lead with someone so obsessed and angry about the issue that they could become enraged. Could NB have been involved in an argument, a tussle, with someone local who is obsessed with the issue of people letting their dogs off the lead, and been accidentally fatally struck or pushed over? Discounting the dog being tied up with string at precisely 9.33am (which has always seemed oddly precise to me), there's then a large wedge of time before the abandoned dog and phone are raised with the school. That would be ample time to find help to remove a body, get some string to tie the dog up, and pose the scene. Perhaps even be there in the early stages to point the Police at the river. Plausible IMO.

Possibly...I said as much on an earlier thread, although obviously it's JMO

Although the extensive searching of the river and estuary has yielded nothing, I'm still inclined towards something like this having taken place....MOO

 

[Fishwick]

I agree with your bit about NB taking them to school then walking the dog. If she had a conference call at 9am then surely it was easier for her to stay home and him do the morning school run and dog walk.

They share the school run, it’s a call where she isn’t inputting just listening - perfect for a dog walk - I do that all the time. It doesn’t sound like a notably busy day for working parents IMO.

 

[suzyjackson]

I agree with your bit about NB taking them to school then walking the dog. If she had a conference call at 9am then surely it was easier for her to stay home and him do the morning school run and dog walk.

It makes perfect sense to me, kill two birds by walking the dog while listening in to a meeting you don't need to take part in

I'd do exactly the same which is why applying our own ways of behaviour doesn't tell us anything other than what we would do

MOO

 

[guiser]

Just the side view of her face in other images shows different cheek bones & of all her own selfies etc on social media is the only time we’ve seen her with hair ties back, just something not right

Or maybe she just took selfies on Good Hair days and shoved it up in a ponytail on the inevitable bad hair days.

Why would her supposed double/accomplice choose to have a different hairstyle from the person she was impersonating? Wouldn't that be a bit silly?

 

[Lolabear]

It makes perfect sense to me, kill two birds by walking the dog while listening in to a meeting you don't need to take part in

I'd do exactly the same which is why applying our own ways of behaviour doesn't tell us anything other than what we would do

MOO

Tbh I've never partaken in a conference call so I'm not sure what I'd do but I definitely couldn't even listen in when I had my dog as he was such a little bugger I'd have to keep my full attention on him as he was always into something he shouldn't of been!!

 

[Fishwick]

Or maybe she just took selfies on Good Hair days and shoved it up in a ponytail on the inevitable bad hair days.

Why would her supposed double/accomplice choose to have a different hairstyle from the person she was impersonating? Wouldn't that be a bit silly?

Maybe the hair length is different, which would be obvious if they wore it down.