Found Deceased UK - Nicola Bulley Last Seen Walking Dog Near River - St Michaels on Wyre (Lancashire) #13

[ayrshireguy]

Surely it is better to allow wild speculation than to release such sensitive personal information for the world to read?

I am honestly saddened that this had to be released. It hasnt been done for the sake of finding Nicola and if anything it has now stirred up even more social media frenzy.

Perhaps. But the police were hampered by some of the more outlandish conspiracy theories and countless phone calls that they said damaged the investigation. Plus the vigilante crimes and harassment of witnesses.

A decision was made today to release this information and it would not have been done lightly.

"The force said it had taken the "unusual step" to go into this level of detail as it was "important to clarify what we meant when we talked about vulnerabilities to avoid any further speculation or misinterpretation".

Nicola Bulley: Missing mother had alcohol issues, police say

The mother's problems with drinking were brought on by her struggles with the menopause, police say.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[tedtink]

I'd like to know what was discussed in the work conf call and what the meeting was about with her boss the previous evening.
Were there performance issues, had she taken time off sick due to what had happened on Jan 10?
Yes, she was pleased to get the mortgage sorted, but we don't know of any work related stuff that could have contributed to her MH.
Most of the time it's not just 1 or 2 things that lead a person to suicide (IF that's what may have happened) it's usually a constellation of issues adding to the sense of failure and feeling of being a burden on others.

JMO

 

[Andreee]

The menopause happens. People can be alcoholic. Being an alcoholic because of the menopause isn't the only reason why it happens. Having alcohol issues doesn't mean being an alcoholic. And not being there to speak up for yourself ties in with all of the above.

Agreed. We certainly don't need to analyze all of the intricacies of those two health related issues here. It is enough to know dear NB had them, and to understand how they affect finding her.

 

[Dan Cooper]

UK is up there as one of the most surveilled countries. Guessing by your use of the word “ya’ll” that youre American
And yes we have cctv on trains also, not for fancy reasons at all haha!

I'm British, I was just trying to put on a faux-yokel accent. I don't think buses round my neck of the woods have CCTV - it's only recently they've started taking cards!

 

[ayrshireguy]

I'd like to know what was discussed in the work conf call and what the meeting was about with her boss the previous evening.
Were there performance issues, had she taken time off sick due to what had happened on Jan 10?
Yes, she was pleased to get the mortgage sorted, but we don't know of any work related stuff that could have contributed to her MH.
Most of the time it's not just 1 or 2 things that lead a person to suicide (IF that's what may have happened) it's usually a constellation of issues adding to the sense of failure and feeling of being a burden on others.

JMO

Its very possible pressure at work also contributed to this.

 

[keef]

A few previous posts have pondered about what may have been discussed on that MS Teams conf call - an expectation of a downturn in the mortgage market following the BoE base rate rise the previous day perhaps? I am reminded of this horrible eventuality, an intelligent professional lady under great stress who was pushed over the edge by what was in isolation an entirely innocuous problem. I've never forgotten it ...

Ex-BBC journalist hanged herself in airport after missing flight

A former BBC journalist hanged herself "on impulse" at an airport after missing her flight and telling staff she had no money to buy another ticket, an inquest heard.

www.standard.co.uk

 

[Knitty]

Wrap up your thoughts. New thread coming in 10 minutes.

 

[Lass from Yorkshire]

Perhaps. But the police were hampered by some of the more outlandish conspiracy theories and countless phone calls that they said damaged the investigation. Plus the vigilante crimes and harassment of witnesses.

A decision was made today to release this information and it would not have been done lightly.

"The force said it had taken the "unusual step" to go into this level of detail as it was "important to clarify what we meant when we talked about vulnerabilities to avoid any further speculation or misinterpretation".

Nicola Bulley: Missing mother had alcohol issues, police say

The mother's problems with drinking were brought on by her struggles with the menopause, police say.

www.bbc.co.uk

If it serves as a means to stop “nuisance” calls then I can understand.

I can only hope the family have permission for this to be released. It doesn’t sit well with me at all, far too personal and advising of vulnerabilities in itself should have been enough.

 

[DFR3217]

Surely it is better to allow wild speculation than to release such sensitive personal information for the world to read?

I am honestly saddened that this had to be released. It hasnt been done for the sake of finding Nicola and if anything it has now stirred up even more social media frenzy.

We can't know what was going on 'behind the scenes' but I'd guess that the information about the nature of her vulnerabilities were being spread as gossip, and the decision was made that it was better to do it this way, rather than have it revealed by the press.

 

[Inspector Evans]

Been out all day but remembered to read the press conference reporting after catching sight of a newspaper headline when out on my lunch break.

Just to clarify....the bloodied glove found in nearby field is totally unconnected to this disappearance?

Interested why police have suddenly decided to publicly announce "vulnerabilities" when their hypothesis hasn't changed at all and they could've said this a week-10 days ago?

Of course you need family permission but that was confided to them the day she went missing.

Guess they probably expected to find her by now and information would've been withheld until a possible inquest was conducted.

 

[IKnowNowt]

Surely it is better to allow wild speculation than to release such sensitive personal information for the world to read?

I am honestly saddened that this had to be released. It hasnt been done for the sake of finding Nicola and if anything it has now stirred up even more social media frenzy.

The police are damned if they do and damned if they don't. IMO

 

[CJS83]

I get why LE said about alcohol after saying about “vulnerabilities”, but I don’t get why they said “menopause” why would they have thought it a good idea to say this lady was going through menopause and was turning to alcohol to deal with it! Like I really don’t see the need to give the public that info? To say there was problems In the past with alcohol would have been sufficient info? That could possibly shed a bit of light onto why they believe the falling in the river? But to then give the reason why alcohol could have become a problem (again) as menopause! I’m quite angry and sad about that! JMO

Agree, seems unnecessary.
<modsnip: not victim friendly>

If it's been released by LE for no particular reason feels a bit backward, like the old fashioned use of 'hysteria'... JMO

 

[FlyHigh209]

PF (TalkTV) said if he was told on the day his whole search would have been different. Focusing on potential other areas & making use of more resources including his helicopters.

 

[MachinaCollecta]

Surely it is better to allow wild speculation than to release such sensitive personal information for the world to read?

I am honestly saddened that this had to be released. It hasnt been done for the sake of finding Nicola and if anything it has now stirred up even more social media frenzy.

I feel conflicted, but I think being specific about it ends some of the wilder speculation that’s been going on. You’d hope that the family is ok with the information being released. I’m not sure they were ever comfortable seeing all the nonsense being spouted on social media about someone they desperately want to find.

 

[Allabouttrial]

I get why LE said about alcohol after saying about “vulnerabilities”, but I don’t get why they said “menopause” why would they have thought it a good idea to say this lady was going through menopause and was turning to alcohol to deal with it! Like I really don’t see the need to give the public that info? To say there was problems In the past with alcohol would have been sufficient info? That could possibly shed a bit of light onto why they believe the falling in the river? But to then give the reason why alcohol could have become a problem (again) as menopause! I’m quite angry and sad about that! JMO

Because alcohol on it's own can be a depressive, but alcohol along with menopause cause an increased risk of low mood. Therefore, if she was depressed she may have entered the water of her own accord.

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Increased risk of depression and alcoholism​

Some menopausal women find they’re happier after having a drink, while others feel more depressed. However, the risk of depression does tend to increase during menopause.

A 2020 studyTrusted Source also shows that heavy drinking is on the rise in both women and older adults. Heavy drinking can make depression worse.

Even in women without depression, excessive alcohol consumption can lead to alcohol use disorder.

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[MachinaCollecta]

PF (TalkTV) said if he was told on the day his whole search would have been different. Focusing on potential other areas & making use of more resources including his helicopters.

I fully believe he’s involved himself as much as necessary, and should have zero say on what information is shared.

 

[cottonweaver]

If it serves as a means to stop “nuisance” calls then I can understand.

I can only hope the family have permission for this to be released. It doesn’t sit well with me at all, far too personal and advising of vulnerabilities in itself should have been enough.

worse than nuisance calls Lass - harassment of witnesses, home owners, trespass, criminal damage, dispersal orders...

 

[EyeSpyU]

Apologies if this has already been brought up, but this forum is so fast moving I can’t possibly scroll all the previous posts since I was last on here this morning.

I watched the police press conference and felt the police were being as open to the public as possible. When they said NB was vulnerable, it made sense why they acted so quickly in searching for her. That raises many questions that aren’t our business, but it does shed a possible new light on her disappearance - which we’ve all been following as it’s so high profile.

During the broadcast, the police officer, Becky, mentioned NB’s social media and said that the tech investigators are doing searches on it. She then went on to say that “there may be a possibility that NIcola has been online”. I thought I’d misheard and so replayed it, and she defintely said that.

She starts saying it at 18:16 minutes in the video. I have attached an image of the paused video, but I’m not sure it will show on here as a message says the file is too big. If it doesn’t show on here you’ll find the video on YouTube and at 18:16 minutes you’ll hear the police officer saying this.

I may be confused, and perhaps she was referring to NB being online at some time throughout the Team call, but that doesn’t make sense as everyone knows she was online when listening to the works call.

So unless I’m imaging things, does the officer mean NB may have been online in social media since she disappeared?

Sorry if this has been asked previously, but I’m completely confused - especially as at the end of the latest police update, the reporters never asked her to embellish on that - which I found strange. Then again, I may have misunderstood what the PO meant.

 

[luce_92]

Because alcohol on it's own can be a depressive, but alcohol along with menopause cause an increased risk of low mood. Therefore, if she was depressed she may have entered the water of her own accord.

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Increased risk of depression and alcoholism​

Some menopausal women find they’re happier after having a drink, while others feel more depressed. However, the risk of depression does tend to increase during menopause.

A 2020 studyTrusted Source also shows that heavy drinking is on the rise in both women and older adults. Heavy drinking can make depression worse.

Even in women without depression, excessive alcohol consumption can lead to alcohol use disorder.

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I don’t think there is anything to insinuate that she has taken her own life. And to drown yourself in a river seems highly unlikely

 

[cottonweaver]

PF (TalkTV) said if he was told on the day his whole search would have been different. Focusing on potential other areas & making use of more resources including his helicopters.

he's fibbing. he wasn't allowed to search locations on own initiative. ( admitted the latter himself, while in situ)