Found Deceased UK - Nicola Bulley Last Seen Walking Dog Near River - St Michaels on Wyre (Lancashire) #15

[Agatha3]

They have done in the past

Yes. And it helped to find the Ipswich strangler when his MO with sex workers became apparent.

 

[JeremyBentham]

So a possible theory is that she might have wanted to disappear. And in doing so crossed the river to avoid being seen. Going to where, who knows, but it stands to reason why LE believe she had been in the river. Whether she made it across and off to safety or got in trouble and sadly drowned, well we still don't know.

If she did want to cross the river, where would have been the easiest crossing point and what's the likelihood of not being seen there?

 

[ayrshireguy]

what would be the sanction though?
Most papers don't care if they are sued, they keep a war chest for litigation.

The money they bring in from a story will be way more than the money they need to pay out in compensation.

 

[cottonweaver]

Yep, it was clear to many that this was high risk from the get-go.

I remember people saying that this was more than just your 'normal' missing person case with the fact that national news was reporting it and the police response.

and earlier in the week, the same person was complaining that LP had not revealed the name of the SIO in charge.
You already demonstrated that, in fact, LP revealed the name of SIO Smith very early on, in the LP updates & the links.

 

[ayrshireguy]

and earlier in the week, the same person was complaining that LP had not revealed the name of the SIO in charge.
You already demonstrated that, in fact, LP revealed the name of SIO Smith very early on, in the LP updates & the links.

Yep. They couldn't believe the police 'secrecy' surrounding the case and why the SIO was not publicly announced.

Well the SIO was announced on day 3 so... lol

 

[Agatha3]

Especially the Mail...

Papers do care if they get sued, same as any firms would. The “war chest” is company money as it is for any business But they wouldn’t call it a war chest. Papers care also if they are sanctioned by IPSO as everybody knows about it.

 

[cottonweaver]

Yep. They couldn't believe the police 'secrecy' surrounding the case and why the SIO was not publicly announced.

Well the SIO was announced on day 3 so... lol

which is why I said a few days ago on here - I bet I could find a ton of WSers - often 'newbies' - who know more about the details of this case than the people earning £ from commenting.

 

[Beginnersleuth]

I’m in Lancashire and near to this area. I can confirm that the Lancashire accent can vary from one town to the next. So much so that even I sometimes struggle to understand

I can understand what they’re saying but just like accents I wonder if there are variations in behaviour that are regional? Just like so much of the words, body language, bits that are left out/unsaid seem odd to me. It’s obvs just weird being on telly & I keep making excuses for the weirdness but it’s just quite a lot JMO/maybe it’s just me!

 

[Mycroft42]

So a possible theory is that she might have wanted to disappear. And in doing so crossed the river to avoid being seen. Going to where, who knows, but it stands to reason why LE believe she had been in the river. Whether she made it across and off to safety or got in trouble and sadly drowned, well we still don't know.

If she did want to cross the river, where would have been the easiest crossing point and what's the likelihood of not being seen there?

I think over the stile and down the footpath to an area almost halfway between the bench and the weir.

There is a sandbank visible on google maps which would imply the river is shallower (I’ve circled it)

The other side has an exit point. From here I think you could head up either right towards the back of the church and Hall Lane or left towards the lane to the ‘abandoned house’.

I think you would be fairly unseen from the river path.

But I’m getting all this remotely and it may be different in actuality.

 

[DazN]

So a possible theory is that she might have wanted to disappear. And in doing so crossed the river to avoid being seen. Going to where, who knows, but it stands to reason why LE believe she had been in the river. Whether she made it across and off to safety or got in trouble and sadly drowned, well we still don't know.

I've pondered this and the fact she left her car and her phone could align with that as they are both trackable.

If this were the case, it would suggest a very level-headed person. Not the alcohol-dependant unstable person that the press and LE seem keen to portray her as.

JMO

 

[ayrshireguy]

which is why I said a few days ago on here - I bet I could find a ton of WSers - often 'newbies' - who know more about he details of this case than the people earning £ from commenting.

Very true

 

[Cluella DeVille]

I didn’t like that picture choice but the words were very sensitive In all the papers I read and on TV. And the photo was posed by Nicola and Paul at some stage, not photoshopped. If someone raided my photos they would find plenty of me drinking and possibly some under the table.

What appears in the press should always have a cautionary warning bell going off, especially the lower down the rung of credibility the publication is. I really don't want to see NB's reputation get tarnished by the gutter press, it's unforgiveable what lengths they will go to to tear people down and the consequences of doing so

 

[Sjöberg]

Wow. I mean "“significant issues with alcohol, brought on by the menopause" vs "high-risk due to medical history".
I am speechless tbh.

If there was some small hope that she walked away and might return, this returning option is now even less likely than before.

 

[Enigmacode]

and there's me wondering if I was jumping to conclusions yesterday!

'Williams Thomas said Lancashire Police only revealed details of Nicola's vulnerability after he told them he had information about police having being called to her home just weeks before she went missing'

So he got hold of the Jan 10th arrest details - from somebody ( A leak from LP? or perhaps from the sort of person who was planning to go to the media with a story - family statement yesterday about ' threatening to sell stories)

U turn within the 6 hours. if that's the reason they U turned, stupid of LP top brass to succumb to media pressure.

They're not succumbing to media pressure IMO, not exactly.
It'll be to do with their own internal policy and procedure, it looks like they're doing damage limitation.

IMO - scenario - A Jan 10 incident police officer or someone connected to them was possibly the source (unwittingly or otherwise) of the press story about to be released.
Hence the Jan 10 incident being referred to IOPC, and the disclosure U-turn.
Both detracting from the source/leak but more importantly, the entire matter, including the potential source and leak being 'enclosed' within an IOPC investigation, which is largely internally controlled.

They're doing damage limitation. They had 2 difficult options, they chose the lesser of two evils.

Home Secretary wasn't buying the original reasons for the disclosure, either.
JMO

 

[JeremyBentham]

I've pondered this and the fact she left her car and her phone could align with that as they are both trackable.

If this were the case, it would suggest a very level-headed person. Not the alcohol-dependant unstable person that the press and LE seem keen to portray her as.

JMO

Yeah, if this was the scenario you would assume she had planned it and knew what she doing. Or maybe she just had enough and started walking away and got lucky to have not been seen by anyone, and still.

 

[Firstsnow4]

Even firearms that have sound suppressors can be heard at a certain distance, depending on the place and circumstances.

Yes definitely - it also depends on the gun, type of bullet, wind direction, distance between receptor and gun (for calculating propagation), whether the surface is hard or soft (which affects absorption of sound) and if there are barriers in between. So yes lots of factors but gunshot can be heard over a large distance. IMO.

 

[Agatha3]

What appears in the press should always have a cautionary warning bell going off, especially the lower down the rung of credibility the publication is. I really don't want to see NB's reputation get tarnished by the gutter press, it's unforgiveable what lengths they will go to to tear people down and the consequences of doing so

I read The Sun and Mirror, presumably the ones you refer to, on all of this and all has been sensitive as was The Times and Telegraph, radio and TV. The nasty, guesswork stuff has been on Facebook and Twitter. But I would like to hear what the main stream press has reported that you have found to be wrong or unkind or unacceptable.

 

[Penny68]

I’m in Lancashire and near to this area. I can confirm that the Lancashire accent can vary from one town to the next. So much so that even I sometimes struggle to understand

I am in full agreement with you. I am in Lancashire as well, and many a time in conversation with some I can't grasp some words or phrases many use.

 

[Lil Ginge]

You are right. I always assumed it was her parents, sister and PA talking in unison.

The statement released yesterday ends with:

Nikki is such a wonderful daughter, sister , partner and mother and is missed dearly - we all need you back in our lives

Lancashire Constabulary - Nicola Bulley - family statement

The latest news and information for Lancashire Constabulary

www.lancashire.police.uk

Regarding ‘family’ in this instance, am I right in thinking that as NB and PA are not married, it is her parents who are her legal Next of Kin (due to her children being under 18 years of age)? Very possibly LE would have to follow this NoK protocol when discussing NB with ‘family’ and may be dealing more with her parents directly, and PA subsequently. JMO

 

[cottonweaver]

Why on earth are some of these commentators comparing the menopause to erectile dysfunction? Some women aren't just affected by the emotional side of going through the menopause as you could say a man would be about ED, but it can also cause hugely debilitating physical symptoms of which are releavant to a missing person beyond their MH. As far as I know unless linked to a secondary condition ED doesn't do this? They're downplaying how severe this is for many women to push their own agenda to the police and media; both of why I do agree are overall generally misogynistic (JMO).

Edit to add: I am referring to 'celebs' on twitter or in the media and not posters here.

I asked that this morning when I saw the victims commissioner Dame Vera Baird make the same comparison. Almost spat out my morning coffee

( have provided the link a couple of pages back)

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I still don't understand how the family / police making these statements has prevented or deterred anyone from selling stories. Can anyone who understands the press / media explain please? Surely anyone with a salacious tale is still legit able to sell it to a tabloid if they have some...

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